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On 7 August, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Villa Medicea di Pratolino, which you nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

On 7 August, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Suyab, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--ALoan (Talk) 10:34, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, sorry - got my templates in a twist. But thanks for both. It is good to see you about the place. -- ALoan (Talk) 10:50, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

The last time I tried to edit them, they were less complicated and easier to modify ;) --Ghirla 10:53, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

They call that progress, I think. But "subst"ing them in is still easy enough :) -- ALoan (Talk) 10:56, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

On June 1, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ice March, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Heh,

Too bad you're not a bureaucrat either to promote me, rather than correcting your comment! :-) NikoSilver 13:39, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Supraśl Lavra

Hi Ghirlandajo,

I am the author of the article 'Suprasl Lavra'. I titled the article 'Suprasl Lavra' because that is the title that the monastery is known by in Poland, and natives of Suprasl are told that it was one of only four such holy places in the Russian Empire. I had looked on the history page of the official website and they didn't mention the date that it was given the distinction of 'Lavra' (address is http://www.monaster-suprasl.pl/ but they use the term Lavra throughout the page (Polish term Ławra, declined as Ławrze). I had called the monastery about where I could find out and cite the information. The reply was that 1) The term lawra ws given by the Patriarch of Constantinople at its foundation in the 1500's and 2) The only place that the person knew to cite this information was in an old Russian book from the late 1800's, and that he would provide the name to me if I called back tomorrow. My question is will this suffice, and since you speak Russian, would you be able to find sources on the Lavra in Russian. If what local lore say is true, there were extensive pilgramages here during the period of Russian rule, and the Orthodox church was promoted and protected by the imperial government, which would hint that there would be a lot of literature about it in Russian (hopefully) thanking you in advance for your trouble, --Orestek 20:09, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

• Dear Ghirlandajo, who and what decide when an orthodox monastery are Lavras?--Orestek 21:08, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Please check lavra article for details. In Imperial Russia the official decision was taken by the Holy Synod but in reality it was the Tsar who decided everything for them. Not that the distinction is really important. The title has been granted primarily for political reasons. Spiritual significance is seldom taken into account. Many ancient monasteries, which were known as lavras in the Middle Ages, are more reputable than modern lavras whose titles were officially sanctioned. --Ghirla 21:12, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

You edit on Pitsunda

Lazica is a Graeco-Roman designation for the region known to the medieval Georgian (and Armenian) annals as Egrisi (hence, the name of Mingrelia). --Kober 08:20, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Kober, I can see the reason why Georgian people prefer to call the polity Lazica, while the Abkhazians favor a native spelling. It is pretty transparent, don't you think? --Ghirla 18:16, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Miskin case

It is getting very dirty now: . Actually, I had never heard of this guy Miskin before I saw your exchange with Swatjester. I had a look at Mardavich's talk page history (I wonder if everybody involved in this case did that) and saw that he had "archived away" comments by Miskin and by an admin who had warned him in a different case. Oh, and in case you wondered, I ahve never got any e-mail from Miskin. Checked just now. --Pan Gerwazy 09:04, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Neither did I hear about Miskin before he was blocked. And to tell you the truth, he has behaved as a typical WP:DICK throughout the case. Nevertheless, it's a matter of principle, not of personalities. --Ghirla 18:28, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

miskin arbitration

Ghirlandajo, I have nothing against releasing the emails. Like I said, I even screenshotted them so that everyone would be able to see them. However, I did make a promise of confidentiality. I'm contacting the people involved to see if they have issues with being identified. It's a little slow, because it's more than one. I have a great deal of respect for you. If you would like to see them, I have no problem showing them to you, provided you keep it to yourself and the ArbCom, until I am told that I can publically release them. ⇒ SWATJester 22:27, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On June 4, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Kamyana Mohyla, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Russian translation

Andrey, I need your help. Please look at the Putin thread on the Humanities desk (3 June). What is it that Jack has written? Love Clio the Muse 13:14, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

This is the begining from a monolgue of Boris Godunov in Musorgsky's opera Boris Godunov Alex Bakharev 15:45, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Found an English translation:

Boris:

My soul is sad

A secret terror haunts me

with evil presentments my heart is stifled, etc...

Buri-sad

Another Gokturk entry. Are there any other Russian sources on this guy that you might be able to tap into? Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 16:37, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Native Speaker?

Like Clio, I am astonished to discover that English is not your first language. To have your cradle tongue be language with a different alphabet and a different structure, too, and not to have spent time speaking with native speakers is almost beyond belief. (I do believe you, though; I am getting used to the facts of the great skill, talent and training of so many of the Ref Desk participants.) Most of the English used on the web is of such abysmal quality that I am further impressed that you quote it as a principal source. Perhaps you have access to sites that I have never come across. Bielle 19:16, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On June 5, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Kul-Oba, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Regarding edits to Mail.ru

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Battle of Konotop

I noticed that you reverted my edit in this article. Would you care to explain on the discussion page the reason for it? If you have concerns over the neutrality of the article please note your objections on the discussion page. As of yet there are none. I hope you saw what kind of tag you reverted. Reverts without discussion are counterproductive. Please start dialogue istead of rivert war. --Hillock65 12:43, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I made only one edit on the page this year, so your accusations of "revert war" do not hold water. I'm not obliged to edit a page where you keep accusing me of vandalism. You can't expect me to stoop to this level of discussion. Furthermore, I am aware that you and your friends maintain a page in Ukrainian wikipedia which urges people to follow my edits here and revert them on sight. This is most unseemly and will be discussed on meta in due time. --Ghirla 12:57, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Well there is now more than one and again without any explanation whatsoever. Noone accuses you of anything, I merely asked you to explain your actions as you seem to be following my edits everywhere. (diff from last year made me smile, though). Additionally, it seems you have been taking an inordinate amount of interest in my person, which make me suspect you of stalking me not only here but planning and recruiting your revenge squads on the Russian WP. To assuade your fears, let me assure you that you don't interest me as an editor and even far less as a person. I don't enjoy writing you every time you revert without an explanation. Please state your reasons for reverts so that issues can be discussed in a constructive manner. Please discuss things rather than disturb others. --Hillock65 13:55, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

If you suspect me of stalking or "recruiting revenge squads", file a complaint. Read my lips: I don't stoop to answering outrageous and patently false accusations. Bye, Ghirla 14:08, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Third Perso-Turkic War

Went through about half of it, will finish the rest later. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 22:05, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Church of Kish

Hi. Please see . Thanks. --Grandmaster 10:30, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Tashtyk, Tagar, Ket et al.

I am looking in on them. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 16:18, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Ket people, He's now claiming that the Vajda reference doesn't say what you say it says. The Vajda book on Google Books is incomplete and is missing page 159. Don't suppose you have the scan? Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 19:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Желание успехов

Hi Ghirla, I noticed you changed my Желаю Вам успехи to Желаю Вам успехов. While I can see why the latter might make sense, I seem to recall learning and hearing the former, and it gets a fair number of Google hits. Is the former version really incorrect? --Reuben 02:19, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Right you are! I checked my old textbook, too, and it's clearly my memory that's at fault rather than the book. Спасибо! --Reuben 05:42, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Possibly unfree Image:Zvenigorod_savva.jpg

Hello again. Sorry to bother you, but if you have an email confirming that permission, please forward it to "permissions-en AT wikimedia DOT org" to properly document it. Thanks. --Butseriouslyfolks 05:18, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

My exchange with Alexander Shipilin was in Russian. Nevertheless, I forwarded the relevant emails. Hopefully Mr. Shilipin does not mind that his private correspondence is distributed this way. --Ghirla 09:36, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! BTW, it'll probably take me a couple of years to get to Igor Moiseyev, so he's safe for now.  ;-) And I think Mark was just having a bad day. Take care! --Butseriouslyfolks 17:06, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, that would work to his advantage from a WP perspective, as the image would no longer be presumed replaceable (to the extent images of living people are or could be presumed replaceable)!  ;-) --Butseriouslyfolks 17:15, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

It's only a matter of time before somebody inserts a fake death date in a living person's bio solely to justify the use of a fair use image . . . --Butseriouslyfolks 17:20, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Block of Russianname

Hi. I made that block because Hillock65 had requested that Russianname stop reverting his talk page, and Russianname refused, reverting it 14 times in one day. The sheer amount of reverting without discussion looked pretty out of control, so I blocked him to prevent the situation from escalating. It's only for 24 hours, but if you know Russianname and feel that's too long, I would be okay with shortening it. Apparently Hillock65 got blocked, too. --Masamage ♫ 17:46, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I will shorten the block as you suggest. Thank you for getting in touch with me about that; I wouldn't want to be too harsh on a first-time block, especially if the edit warring stops from now on. --Masamage ♫ 18:10, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, looks like the block has already expired anyway. --Masamage ♫ 18:12, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

ArbCom

Your comment was not "mysteriously deleted", it was moved to Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Miskin/Evidence by an ArbCom clerk. If you read the rules on top of the evidence page, it explicitly says "Do not edit within the evidence section of any other user". --Mardavich 18:36, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

You seem to be really irritated by my statement, don't you? I wonder what's so special about it. When a wikipedian attempts to defend his good name against patently false accusations, it's not really an infraction to post his disclaimer right after the accusation. The threaded talk that followed it was not appropriate, but I have nothing to do with it. --Ghirla 20:53, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I am not irritated by anything. However, your personal attack is noted. I just wanted to let you know that your comment was not "mysteriously deleted". But if you don't wish to follow the rules of the evidence page, that's your choice. --Mardavich 21:32, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Apology

Hi Ghirla. I in no way deliberately left you out of the list of people who had commented; your opinion is as completely valid as every other contributor. Please chalk that error on my part down to a simple oversight - I didn't mean to offend. Sorry! Neil ╦ 20:06, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

You are welcome, Neil. No offences. --Ghirla 20:46, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Location of Vändra in 1843: Estonia or Livonia?

As you concentrate on pre-20th century Russian history, you might be able to comment on this issue. Is it correct to say that Vändra, the birthplace of Lydia Koidula, was in 1843 located in northern Livonia? ...or should we say southern Estonia? Is mentioning Livonia undue weight? Please comment at Talk:Lydia Koidula. -- Petri Krohn 00:16, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

In any case the phrase "Lydia Jannsen was born in Vändra, in south-west of the modern Estonia, a territory at the time part of Governorate of Livonia of Russian Empire." is not only incorrect (it is claiming that the whole of Estonia was part of Livonia) but full of mistakes against English grammar as far as use of definite articles is concerned. So I will have a look at it as well. --Pan Gerwazy 20:35, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Pietro Boncompagni

Thanks for digging up an appropriate categfory. --Wetman 23:37, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Valley of Geysers

On 10 June, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Valley of Geysers, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Mikhail Pavlovich

Hello, Andrey. Thanks for your interest in the articles I have written on the Russian royals. By early next month I would write about Mikhail Pavlovich, at u request. However, information about him it is scarce. I want to ask for you’re help adding to my Romanov’s articles their name in Cyrillic alphabet. Thanks Miguel 1:16, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Your msg.

Thanks for letting me know. No, I don't think it was I who semiprotected it, but it doesn't matter. I'm OK with it being SP'd. ←Humus sapiens 09:08, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Forum ref?

May I ask why you use forum as reference for death date? Its not really neccessary as nobody disputes date of death(at other article I wanted only ref for claims of him not being deported to USSR by UK) and as our friend Petri said, its not really good source anyway.--Staberinde 15:38, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Third Perso-Turkic War

Hello. With regard to the territorial changes, that is meant for the changes after the war, not during. The Khazars never occupied the territory, they left it (even before the war with Byzantium was completely finished). Also, they invaded Georgia (Iberia) and Caucasus Albania, they never invaded Azerbaijan, which at that time was the area below the Araxes river.Hajji Piruz 20:25, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello again. This picture is from another time period (I assume): (notice it says Samartia in the north Caucasus region). Good work by the way, cant wait to read the finished version! I'd be happy to help out if theres anything that needs doing.Hajji Piruz 23:08, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello again. Regarding this edit of yours:

The Byzantines were allies of the Khazars who fought on the same front. Both fought in the Caucasus at the same time against the Sassanids. Therefore, shouldnt the Byzantines be listed?Hajji Piruz 14:13, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

AfD Etiquette

1. Withdrawing a nomination is not in itself an attempt to close the AfD. You're welcome to add the relevant templates when you withdraw the nomination, but if you don't do that, the AfD remains live until an administrator or another user adds them. I would have closed it myself, but since I was one of the ones recommending the article be kept, I thought it was best to wait for another admin or user to do it. Given that the AfD remained open, moving and commenting out recommendations that other users had made isn't a good idea. Yes, they should probably have noticed that the discussion was no longer active, but the thing was still open.

2. While I can appreciate your dislike for comments and questions being included in an AfD's main page, please note that there's actually no requirement that they be moved elsewhere.

3. In relation to the question you were asked about why the debate had been categorised a certain way, please remember that it wasn't (or at least it shouldn't have been) a judgement on you. Rather, it was a question. The manner in which you replied was abrupt at best. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:38, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know who of the closing admins allowed the nomination to be turned into a trollfest. Your attempts to justify incivility and harrassing from a gang of trolls by referring to unwritten "AfD etiquette" don't cut ice with me. Neither would I hold my breath after reading your regular comments in support of extremist editors, sprinkled all over Misplaced Pages. You have made your stance on the matter very clear. I request you to never post on my talk page again. Thanks in advance, Ghirla 08:29, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Gokturk map

The one I put up was an approximation of a map in an old Turkish historical atlas, but it might be possible to do an expansion map. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 12:07, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Image:GokturkFlag.png

Please see Misplaced Pages:Images_and_media_for_deletion/2007_June_11#Image:GokturkFlag.png. Thanks. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 13:46, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I am flabergasted. --Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 13:21, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

You are right, of course, that it is not that critical. The flag has been removed from all the articles that had it (I would be wary of it being re-inserted though). I wonder how many of the other equally fictitious "Flags of the Great Turkish Empires" have been reproduced on WP. I just found the attitude that FOTW was a reliable source by itself, and that slapping the word "alleged" made everything ok, shocking. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 17:40, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Please join

Misplaced Pages:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-06-10 Podilsko-Voskresenska Line. --Kuban Cossack 17:23, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Holocaust trials in Soviet Estonia, 1961

Hi Ghirlando. Sorry, I looked, but I wasn't able to find any English-language material on this. Jayjg 15:38, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Ghirla- some pictures that might be relevant. I don't know what the copyright status is but I expect that they expired under Soviet law. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 14:18, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Third Perso-Turkic War

On 12 June, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Third Perso-Turkic War, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Estonian Orthodox Church

You might want to add this, and the linked articles, to your watchlist. Also check this out: Estonian Orthodoxy in the 1990s. The section "Post-Soviet Developments" is an excellent presentation of the Estonian legal position. What do you call a situation, where the state denies a church the right to legally practice religion. In China it would be called "religious prosecution". -- Petri Krohn 04:22, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Ghirla...

I'm curious of your bold movings and whether the edits like this are the breach of WP:NCNT. Thanks for any feedback :) --Brand спойт 09:52, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, they are perfectly in line with our guidelines. The Ignatievs were neither royals nor peers, not even saints :) --Ghirla 09:54, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

What about this or this? (apart from ) --Brand спойт 10:07, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Titles of our articles are not supposed to refer to comital dignity. Leo Tolstoy, not Count Leo Tolstoy, if you please. Sergei Witte, not Count Sergei Witte, etc. --Ghirla 10:16, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Estonian national awakening

Did you know? was updated. On 14 June, 2007, a fact from the article Estonian national awakening, which you recently nominated, was featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Mudéjar Gothic

Hi, Ghirlandajo, long time without knowing about you!

I see that you are active again in this wikipedia, Mnogaya leta! I write to you because of a question related to Brick Gothic. I wrote a short section at the end of the article about a kind of Gothic architecture made of brick, the Gothic Mudéjar. I suppose that there is a coined use of the term because of the great quantity of Gothic architecture made of brick around the Baltic Sea. However, "Brick Gothic" is also a clear reference to any style of Gothic made almost enterely of brick, even more if the material is an important part of the aesthetics of the building. If you don´t find proper the inclussion of the section in the article, you could preserve the reference, at least in "See Also", because there is a strong relation between the title and the Mudéjar Gothic, that, as you probably know, had the brick as its main material and aesthetic resort. Yours and welcome again,--Garcilaso 12:49, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Nice to see you again. Is it OK? --Ghirla 13:01, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

That looks fine! Thank you and good editions!--Garcilaso 09:29, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Mo-ho sad

New Gokturk article. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 17:40, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Lambsdorff portrait

Hi again. Could you do some clarifying regarding the person on this portrait, if possible? Because of fruitless googling, the caption currently makes no sense for me. Consequently I don't know whether she is Alexandra Nikolayevna Lamsdorf or Maria Ivanovna Lamsdorf. Thanks in advance. --Brand спойт 20:46, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

This is Maria Ivanovna Beck (Мария Ивановна Бек, 1835-66). I would not be surprized if her father was Ivan Beck (1808-1842), the first to translate Goethe's Faust in Russian. She married in 1857 Count Alexander Ivanovich Lambsdorff (Александр Иванович Ламсдорф, 1835-1902), the elder brother of Vladimir Lambsdorff, Foreign Minister. After the October putsch, the Ingresque portrait remained on exhibit in the Pushkin Museum of Fine Arts for ten years. In 1928 the Bolsheviks seized the painting and sold it abroad. --Ghirla 21:26, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I certainly took the blatant error into consideration, thinking that she is Alexandra (as I wrote above :) --Brand спойт 21:43, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Comments on Gumilev & Nomadic Empires articles

For the Lev Gumilev article: If a person both popular and controversial at the same time, this means that the person is influential. Whether his ideas are accepted by the mainstream of academicians or not is another question. For the Nomadic empires article: It's better to summarize each section and make the article more concise and comprehensive, since each section already have wiki-articles. I'd like to do edit but i'm under arbitration related with my conflicts with Tajik. For this reason, i can only comment on this. If you'd like discuss the issues, you're welcome. Regards. E104421 22:30, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Hahahaha!

I'm well aware that some people, especially those who don't have to deal with extremist editors on a day-to-day basis, are willing to assume good faith ad infinitum and keep the project full of “potentially reformable bad guys”, as long as they don't have to reason with them themselves.

(Underscore mine.) —SlamDiego_←T 04:06, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Giano's block

Very disappointing, Thebainer. Very. That's not what you were given the tools for. --Ghirla 15:18, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

As I said to Bishonen, Giano moved moved my comments out of their place in the preceding thread and into a new paragraph, presumably to remove the comments from their context in the prior discussion, presumably to achieve this precise effect. Here is the full thread as it was before my comment was moved. I don't know why you are referencing this edit; as I explained to Giano, I have not used IRC for some time, and I noticed his initial post to WP:ANI since that page is on my watchlist. --bainer (talk) 15:31, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

DYK

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Did you know? was updated. On 16 June, 2007, a fact from the article Furietti Centaurs, which you recently nominated, was featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Re:Rollback

No I only end up in those when someone keeps vandalizing page such as that one. Hmrox 17:27, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Do you say that I "vandalize" the page written by myself? This is most amusing. --Ghirla 17:29, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry for the confusion about the article. It was mistake and won't happen again. Hmrox 17:34, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Agatha: Thanks

I really appreciate your advices. In my particular opinion (not much important, of course!!) i think your theory about kievan origin of Agatha is true. Sorry if I had any wrong thing in the text of Agatha in wikipedia; i tried to divided the kievan theory in two parts: daughter or sister of Yaroslav the Wise. If this was wrong, i really appreciate if you think is better a correction, do it. Thanks again and sorry for my bad english (im peruvian and a tried to learn fast!!) Aldebaran69 23:04, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Cranks

Yeah, we’re not talking about legitimate POV disputes here, we’re talking complete lunacy. The guy is quarrelling with the most basic linguistic terms, such as “loan word” and “borrowing”, as well as the scholarly history of the Armenian language. I could have waded in on that talk page but I couldn’t see the point. He’s not some ingénu who’s made an honest mistake and will accept correction, he’s obviously there to push his own crank theory come what may. Reasoning with him is a waste of everybody’s time. The only solution is to remove him from the topic area. Since this is an encyclopaedia, such editors are far more harmful than casual vandals or hot-tempered users who engage in a bit of mudslinging behind the scenes. We need to have sanctions against editors who persistently and deliberately violate policies like WP:NPOV and WP:NOR in order to add fringe or extremist content here. --Folantin 17:37, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Mail for you, Ghirla. Pretty much the same stuff went to Folantin. Cheers, Moreschi 13:32, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Category

You're right... I'll do my best. Regards PHG 20:42, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Occupation of Latvia 1940–1945

Is there some off-site communication and coordination going on here? See history. -- Petri Krohn 15:30, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Obviously, the fact that this article is under probation, does not really stop them. In fact, it enboldens them: we are the vandals! --Pan Gerwazy 16:07, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

User:Suva is clearly under the influence of Korp! Estonia on wheels. There clear indication of off-site cooperation, see User:Suva/monobook.js and compare the history to User:Digwuren/monobook.js. -- Petri Krohn 16:37, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Conspiracy theories are fun!

By the way, if you want to communicate with me off-site, feel free to send me a mail. Digwuren 17:05, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I copied the monobook from Digwuren during some conversation at some page in scope of WikiProject estonia. The original monobook content was pasted by DLX if I am not mistaking. The claims of Korp! Estonia on wheels is funny, but unfortunately unrelated. I don't know much about the probation, and just saw a stupid edit war going on, and decided to intefere. This article needs something else than edit war right now, and if you really do think that the POV-Title should be there, then I won't interrupt again. Currently I am having trouble of assuming good faith in that move seeing the other edits of the Korp! Soviet Union on wheels... Suva 17:36, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Are you sure you are refering to WikiProject Estonia and not the Estonian Misplaced Pages (or some other off-line forum)? Your edit history shows absolutely no discussion prior to creating your monobook.js. (Sorry, Ghirla for spamming your talk page, we like it here.) -- Petri Krohn 20:57, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

P.S. - It is highly unlikely that you could have communicated on English language Misplaced Pages: User:Digwuren was blocked, when you restarted editing. -- Petri Krohn 21:08, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Hahaha, come on. Would it be also highly unlikely you would stop your paranoias and just shut up? But as you keep instisting, I found this javascript here. Suva 22:26, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Nice inquisition. You are aware that people can read other peoples discussions around here? When DLX talks with Dugwurren about something Suva can read that too if he happens to see it. Contribution histories and so on. Right now it seems like you are harassing people over where they got a piece of Javascript... Since when is such information grounds for this kind of nitpicking!? --Alexia Death 21:17, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps, WikiProject Estonia should have a mailing list. If nothing else, it might make Petri Krohn happy. I guess it won't matter if anybody ever actually writes in it. Digwuren 22:08, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

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Ferry de Clugny

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WP:RFC/U on Petri Krohn filed

You might be interested to know that Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Petri Krohn has been filed. Digwuren 20:10, 19 June 2007 (UTC)