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Sure, it satisfies the speedy deletion criteria. But why were you trying to delete it? I thought you weren't an admin. ˉˉ<sup>]</sup>] 00:38, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Sure, it satisfies the speedy deletion criteria. But why were you trying to delete it? I thought you weren't an admin. ˉˉ<sup>]</sup>] 00:38, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
:Ah, sorry, I was confused for a bit when you said you were trying to delete it ˉˉ<sup>]</sup>] 00:42, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
:Ah, sorry, I was confused for a bit when you said you were trying to delete it ˉˉ<sup>]</sup>] 00:42, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
==Regarding your defacement of the Mission==
The use is within the fair use policy and is standard, many featured articles which have undergone strenuous reviewing such as ] for example use album covers on the main article because it depicts the album itself. I suggest you find something constructive to do rather than defacing other users hard work. - ] 13:40, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
:I don't care how you think of yourself, kid. That is irrelevent. You vandalise Misplaced Pages and deface people's hard work because you can't be bothered to do something constructive it will be called as such; you have been shown an example... there are many more all over Misplaced Pages such as ], this is standard.
:Regardless, those album covers will be being used for album articles, that will be created in the very near future (yes, people actually work here... not just screw with articles). So I suggest you stop. - ] 14:00, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
LOL at your edit . I'm Wikistalking you? OK... so I'm the one who rooted through your edits and spammed your talkpage with numeours templates for images (which already had fair use rationales) that I had defaced? No, that was you. Lets refresh, it was you who went and defaced articles I contribute to because you can't be bothered to contribute to things you're interested in.
Nice attempt to cover your tracks by vandalising the messages on your talk too, which point out your suspect actions. - ] 14:32, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
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Freqently Asked Questions (FAQ)
Q: Why have you reduced the size of my file? A: In accordance with Misplaced Pages:Non-free content criteria 3(b): An entire work is not used if a portion will suffice. Low, rather than high-resolution/fidelity/bit rate, is used (especially where the original could be used for deliberate copyright infringement). If you believe I have made an error in reducing the image, please let me know. If there was no error is the lowering in the resolution, please keep the image reduced and keep it tagged until an administrator has deleted the larger versions of the image.
Q: Why have you tagged my file as {{di-bad fair use}} 10(c)? A: I have tagged it as in violation of Misplaced Pages:Non-free content criteria 10(c): The name of each article (a link to each article is also recommended) in which fair use is claimed for the item, and a separate, specific non-free use rationale for each use of the item, as explained at Misplaced Pages:Non-free use rationale guideline. The rationale is presented in clear, plain language and is relevant to each use. Meaning, provide a fair use rationale on the file description page, every time you use it on a different article. Otherwise it does not meet criteria for inclusion and it can be nominated for deletion.
Q: Why have you removed my image from an article because of 10(c)? A: The file does not have a fair use rationale on the file description page for why it is on that article. If you add a rationale, you are free to use the image on the article once again.
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Q: Why have you added {{deletable image-caption}} to an article? A: This is to notify users that the image next to the caption is a candidate for speedy deletion in a number of days due to problems specified on the image description page.
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Feel free to delete the template now. I have finished removing the template from the Images which it transcluded. In addition to that, I tagged any image for deletion if they had no source other than the template. — Moeε03:38, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks so much for unlinking this. I'm usually pretty knowledgable about what turns up at TfD, but I still freeze when we decide to delete a widely-used copyright template. I have no experience with images or copyright and I intend on keeping it that way. Thanks! RyanGerbil10(Don't ask 'bout Camden)20:24, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
you were banned from youtube, apparently. your video Sanjaya Malakar - hot quotes was my absolute favorite. i need it. please upload it somewhere else. i had it on my site: http://bikerchick.freehomepage.com/photo3.html and now i have to have a different one. there is a new site called www.motiono.com, maybe you can put it there. i only know about it because someone from youtube spammed me. why were you banned from youtube?
here is a cache of your video. please please upload it elesewhere. it was a favorite of many
Hello Aharleygirl. I see that you requested that I re-upload a video from YouTube that I made from an account there. There's an issue with that:
I don't have a YouTube account and I wonder how you got me confused with him.
Eric82oslo is not me, and the account located on YouTube in relation to that name says that the account is suspended and it makes videos like the one you requested, so I assume thats who you mean.
It appears the person who made the YouTube account made one on Misplaced Pages located at User:Eric82oslo, I would ask him to re-upload any video for you.
I apologize for revert warring. Would you mind if I and/or the other editors interested in BJAODN have an edit history of the deleted subpages, please? It would be appreciated. — Rickyrab | Talk23:50, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Wow, looks like you were very busy editing the "Harvest page.
You referred edit readers to "Misplaced Pages:Non-free content criteria items #3(a) and #8)." Thank you for the reference.
Regarding #3(a): I agree that I went way beyond minimal use, although I will say that this was without knowing of the 10 non-free content rules. My question is, does this mean that you needed to remove all album cover images and music samples? When I added the images, I was using "The Beatles" article as a reference. Looking at it now, I see that "The Beatles Discography" is without images, although the main article still contains music samples. Does minimal use mean "No use"? (referring to there being no images at all on the Harvest page). Why is showing album cover art excessive? I have a feeling I'm asking a common question.
Regarding #8 (significance): Is the discography considered a list? I would assume so. I guess this would be why no image- photo or song sample is allowed within it. I would think this rule alone would suffice for removing all of the images I had put in the article, since they were all within the Discography section. Would it be acceptable to create a separate section for music samples, as in the Beatles article? If so, how many music samples would be allowed? 25?, as in that article?
I would really appreciate you responding to this post. I would like to know what you think. And I would also like to find out if any of the images/samples I uploaded are salvageable. This would save me time in re-uploading if they are.
Is it possible to restore one of the audio files that I used to have in the Harvest article? Does Misplaced Pages have some kind of an archive of deleted samples, or do I need to re-upload?
I would like to re-add the music sample for the song, "Because I Am". I would be incorporating it into the main article for the band, as it refers to the song.
If you have time, could you help me reincorporate the image into the article? I'd like to place it next to the text which states: "The writer praised the group's vocal harmonies and was especially fond of the song "Because I Am" (found on the album It's Alright Now)." I'd like it to be similar to the format of the song sample in the Mariah Carey article. I've tried adding it myself, but the text won't wrap around the sample. This is the text I was trying to add:
{{sound sample box align left| }}
{{multi-listen start|Audio sample of:}}
{{multi-listen item|filename=Harvest-Because I Am.ogg|title="Because I Am" (1982)|description=Harvest's song was noted by CCM Magazine in 1982.|format=]}}
{{multi-listen end}}
{{sample box end}}
I would really appreciate your help in this regard. The image is scheduled to be deleted in seven days if I can't incorporate it by then. Please let me know if you can't make the edit and I will try to get help elsewhere.
http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Nihiltres#Audio_Sample_List
I've tried to express my need as best as possible for that list. I direly need it, at least a copy of it back, I wish there was a way to make it non-public (as it is of personal use only), but since there isn't away I made it easy for myself and linked to it from my user page. --x1987x01:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
They were just linked to, a link to a non-free audio file is not allowed from userspace?--x1987x01:39, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Greetings
I understand the situation and I apologize for any misunderstanding however I do feel that you could have approached me in a more courteous manner without threatening me. This will not happen again. I apologize. Please may this event not leave us with a delinquent sentiment towards each other. Best Regards. ˉˉ╦╩16:41, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
RE:Images
May I suggest then, that you go out there and find free images to replace those you removed? -- 我♥中國00:36, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
I, for one, believe that the responsibility of an editor is to create, not destroy. But I digress. Pray tell, which specific section and clause of the fair use policy do my use of these images in this article violate? I would like to know, where does it say that 1. one 50x50 image per military medal is excessive, and 2. pictures of military decorations are to be discriminated against in fair use policy? -- 我♥中國00:51, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
By #8, do you mean to say, that having a picture of the actual object in question does not significantly contribute to its presentation in an article? If you can perfectly visualize an object after only reading a text description, then more power to you, because normal people cannot. In that case, can you make life easier for the rest of us by at least trying to replace all the images you removed with a paragraph or two of description, something along the lines of "This medal is perfectly hexagonal, with the national emblem embossed on it and golden rays extending from the vertices of the hexagon"? -- 我♥中國01:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
No. I am not asking you to "sit and write 60+ paragraphs of information" or "to create a article off the top of head". I am asking you to replace the information which you removed, which are vital and essential to the article. Since you removed the information, it is only fair that you restore it to a similar, if not equivalent, level of quality. As for why I don't want to fix it: I don't fix something that is not broken. The article was just fine until someone decided to arbitrarily remove all the badge pictures on it. I do know, however, HOW to fix it. -- 我♥中國01:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
The only "threat" I could find is you threatening to get me blocked. I never said I was going to restore the page, have I? There is a reason I haven't done it yet. The last time I heard, policies are subject to interpretation, and I doubt you have the authority to dictate your interpretation of a policy to others. If anything, WP is a consensus-based project, and based on the input of the two of us, I do not believe we have a consensus. I have not restored the article, because I know the importance of consensus, and I don't go about arbitrarily enforcing my views and beliefs on how an article should be or how a policy should be interpreted. Furthermore, I do believe that images constitute content as well as text: otherwise we could save millions of dollars' worth of bandwidth by simply deleting all the pictures on WP! Finally, a word of advice: You have an enormous edit count, yet most of the articles you edit often are in pretty bad shape. I think your drive-by attitude to editing might have something to do with it. -- 我♥中國02:14, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
I do not think it has been resolved, and your deleting our conversation was not a very WP:CIVIL thing to do. We can still try to sort out our differences if you wish, but I want you to know that I am considering escalating this issue beyond just the two of us. -- 我♥中國02:42, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Here is what I was about to say:
I do not think it was correct. However, we were making some progress before you rudely cut me off. If at all possible, I would still like to resolve our content dispute with minimal drama, but if I file an RFC it will be for user conduct. We can either take a step back and breathe a deep breath, then talk over it WP:CIVILly, or we can have an RFC and sort things out in a decidedly less amicable way.
And I would like to talk policy with you, if only you weren't so rude! And you see, I'm not trying to pressure you: You pressured yourself. By tagging those pictures with that tag you consigned them to seven days until death, and I'm trying to have the tags removed in less than seven days. I hope you understand the urgency I'm feeling when the work which I put many hours into is endangered by an arbitrary decision and several mouseclicks. -- 我♥中國04:22, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Do you have ANY idea how much trouble one has to go through to bring a picture back from deletion? Not just the miles and miles of red tape, but also the navigation through myriads of mouseclicks, pages of disclaimers and rules to read through, so no, they can NOT be restored at any time willy-nilly. I wish I could, but it just doesn't work that way. And are you aware that an article/picture that has been deleted before automatically has about as much as a probability of 1 of being deleted again? I know these, because I'm an admin and I have dealt with all of these things before, so please, don't patronize me. And like I have already explained, it's not the policy that I'm questioning, but your interpretation of it and your belief that your interpretation is the only right one. -- 我♥中國04:55, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
It's not hard? When you have 70 of them to upload, you'll want to eat your words. And since you obviously never bothered to actually READ THE ARTICLE to find out what the pictures were used for, the pictures show the actual medals that the article is about, and there is a grand total of one picture for every medal, for about the top 70 items in the list. They are obviously not decoration, or are you just confusing pretty-looking decoration with military decorations? And since you didn't read the article, there IS a body of text next to each and every one of the pictures, explaining the name, grades, and award criteria for each medal. #8 of the policy states that galleries in lists are "normally regarded" as decorative and therefore unacceptable, not "always". That is ambiguous and leaves room for interpretation, and I think I have already established that they are NOT decorative and are highly significant. In this case, they should warrant an extended investigation. -- 我♥中國05:30, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
A change that took place scant days ago (5 June, currently 7 June WP-time) and is apparently already causing much distress and discontent. You can hardly prove a "historical precedent" with an event that occurred 2 days ago. Even if those removals were justified, album covers are fundamentally different from images of military medals. Album covers can be printed and used in commercial ventures and copyright owners would lose revenue. But images of military decorations? Right, I'm gonna print these off and sell them as 1-inch stickers and deprive the Ministry of National Defense of the Republic of China of millions of dollars' worth of revenue from sticker sales! -- 我♥中國06:02, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
It's been a long time, friend...
Smile a little, smile a little, all along the road;
Every life must have its burden, every heart its load.
Why sit down in gloom and darkness with your grief to sup?
As you drink Fate's bitter tonic, smile across the cup.
Smile upon the troubled pilgrims whom you pass and meet;
Frowns are thorns, and smiles are blossoms, oft for weary feet.
Do not make the way seem harder by a sullen face;
Smile a little, smile a little, brighten up the place.
Smile upon your undone labour; not for one who grieves
O'er his task waits wealth or glory; he who smiles achieves.
Though you meet with loss and sorrow in the passing years,
Smile a little, smile a little... even through your tears!
The next time you make notifications can you please make sure you notify a user on all the images you've tagged, and not just some? I checked through your edit history and discovered you've tagged an image I uploaded, but for that one I wasn't notified. Thanks for your time. LuciferMorgan14:06, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
No problem. Make sure not to overboard though with tagging certain images that a single user has uploaded - User:Alcuin had 90+ image notifications on his page and waved bye to Misplaced Pages, while BetaCommandbot got blocked for a few days. I suppose though that such a problem can only occur when a bot is doing the work. Anyway, all the best. LuciferMorgan14:15, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Colscott
While it's a true statement that he is blocked, there is nothing whatsoever good that can come from having that message there. --BigDT20:01, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Sure, it satisfies the speedy deletion criteria. But why were you trying to delete it? I thought you weren't an admin. ˉˉ╦╩00:38, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Ah, sorry, I was confused for a bit when you said you were trying to delete it ˉˉ╦╩00:42, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Regarding your defacement of the Mission
The use is within the fair use policy and is standard, many featured articles which have undergone strenuous reviewing such as Sex Pistols for example use album covers on the main article because it depicts the album itself. I suggest you find something constructive to do rather than defacing other users hard work. - The Daddy13:40, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't care how you think of yourself, kid. That is irrelevent. You vandalise Misplaced Pages and deface people's hard work because you can't be bothered to do something constructive it will be called as such; you have been shown an example... there are many more all over Misplaced Pages such as Joy Division, this is standard.
Regardless, those album covers will be being used for album articles, that will be created in the very near future (yes, people actually work here... not just screw with articles). So I suggest you stop. - The Daddy14:00, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
LOL at your edit here. I'm Wikistalking you? OK... so I'm the one who rooted through your edits and spammed your talkpage with numeours templates for images (which already had fair use rationales) that I had defaced? No, that was you. Lets refresh, it was you who went and defaced articles I contribute to because you can't be bothered to contribute to things you're interested in.
Nice attempt to cover your tracks by vandalising the messages on your talk too, which point out your suspect actions. - The Daddy14:32, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
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