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SatyrBot and WP:Chicago

Hi, Kranar! I haven't yet figured out how to regexp the banner shells, so I don't know how to add the project into them. Since I helped create the {{WikiProjectBannerShell}}, it's on my mind and I'm working on it. Sorry for that! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 05:22, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

That's crappy

Yeah, that is too bad. You know where that information would belong, unless the building itself gets an article (its notability is borderline imo but I think an effective argument could be made for its inclusion) would be the Freeport article, under a Cityscape section, description of the downtown is perfect for that and if someone has info on Springfield that could fill out that section there as well.

The offline release version project I am only passingly familiar with but I will look into it, thanks for the link. I am getting to the Rockford discussion now too. IvoShandor 11:59, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

So is this but . . .

Thanks for your support and defense in my recent, unsuccessful RfA. It's much appreciated. IvoShandor 15:59, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey hey

Sounds good about the offline release stuff, I have several articles that will probably be up to GA soon, some FLW stuff some other historic places stuff, maybe some architects, John S. Van Bergen is looking pretty decent, needs a bit more expansion though.

The reason for my message in the first place is to let you know I did some pretty extensive photography Tuesday and Wednesday, though I haven't yet uploaded my photos. I shot White Pines Forest State Park, to include Pine Creek (Illinois) - (which needs an article). I got some really good shots of the fords in the park, including shots of a truck crossing over them. I also shot Castle Rock State Park along the Rock River and, as requested Kishwaukee River State Fish and Wildlife Area. : ) I will alert you when the pics are posted and add gallery links to Commons to the articles. IvoShandor 18:05, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey, if you are shooting Byron, get the Soldiers Monument in the middle of the street, my pictures of that weren't good, it was too dark. IvoShandor 11:36, 16 June 2007 (UTC)r

Saw your Byron images, good stuff despite the storm. I find it funny that your picture of the Soldier's Monument looks almost exactly the same as mine. : ) We'll get a good one eventually, I am sure. I'll probably be going to either Lee County or Charles Mound tomorrow, depends on how long and far I feel like driving. And the next time I am in Ogle County maybe the sun will be shining and I can get a good image of the Soldier's Monument thing, keep your eyes peeled for a crazy person in the middle of the road. IvoShandor 17:34, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Hamlet (not the play)?

Hi Kranar, how about "hamlet"? In Pennsylvania there are incorporated cities, boroughs, one or two towns, and townships. The state Department of Transportation puts signs up for villages (but they are unincorporated and technically part of townships). Even smaller settlements are not given village signs and I have called them hamlets. I see Illinois has official villages, so would Hamlet work? The other idea I had was "populated place" which is what the USGS GNIS calles Chana. See here. Hope this helps, I am adding more dots next. Ruhrfisch _><>° 02:24, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

• Glad to be of help - sorry the dots are going so slow. I will keep working on them, Ruhrfisch _><>° 16:40, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Hi Kranar, could you please stub out Sangchris Lake State Recreation Area? It is currently a redirect to Sangchris Lake. Thanks, Ruhrfisch _><>° 01:58, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Wow, you are fast - the dot is fixed and added to the map. Will do more dots tomorrow. Thanks for your kind words on the map's talk page, by the way. Take care, Ruhrfisch _><>° 03:59, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Merging

Hi there, sorry for the delay, I have been away lately. Merge done (although I only saved one version, this one). I put that info in the leading of the article, so check for inconsistencies (in example, the city was founded on 1722 or 1720?). Cheers! -- ReyBrujo 18:05, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, as you may know I don't have English as main language, but if "raiders" is offensive, you can request a reference. If the police was doing a raid (like a dawn raid), then it looks like "raiders" is an appropriate term. -- ReyBrujo 18:11, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

People from Chicago

I am not sure what you are saying your intention is. Do other cities have such subcats? I think American Football players will show up in every team they played for and major college programs as well. In addition they may show up in People from cats. I am not sure how much a Football player from cat would add. Do other cities do this? TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 14:27, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Let me thank you for your tremendous hard work. I see that you are trying to sort Category: People from Chicago by specialties. When yo

I am sorry. The problem is that the category is in the bot list. So everyone in the cat gets {{ChicagoWikiProject}} added to it. It was originally a Chicago comedy troup. Now they have branches in other cities. Mike was in the Toronto troup I believe. What I need are sub cats by city (E.g. Category:Second City Chicago alumni). One would be Chicago. Thus, actors from other cities would not get the Chi tag. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 23:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi there. Sorry but categories cannot be renamed. You usually create the new category, move all the articles to the new category, and add a {{category redirect}} in the old one. You may need to suggest the change at Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion, not sure. -- ReyBrujo 03:23, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but I think Rey is wrong on this one. Check it, Category:Sycamore Historic District structures was deleted and renamed to Category:Buildings and structures in Sycamore Historic District. I think renamings happen a lot, especially at WP:CFSD and probably at WP:CFD too. IvoShandor 08:02, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

The first line at WP:CFD seems to concur with me: On this page, deletion, merging, and renaming of categories (pages in the Category namespace) is discussed

IvoShandor 08:04, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Your right, I have started the process for two of the subcats to be renamed at Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 June 19. This just means the names will change to my proposals if it passes. This is a five day process, so I figured I would post these up and work on that other category in the meantime. Also, Ivo if you see this, if you can go there and give your opinion or any other Ill/Chicago members. Thanks guys!--Kranar drogin 11:15, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Winnebago County War Memorial

Indeed it is. Added to the National Register of Historic Places on 1976-01-31, useful database from the National Park Service, allows queries to the National Register by location and name among other parameters, just in case you wanted to know. I will take a look at what looks like a pretty comprehensive article when I get a chance. It could use {{Infobox nrhp}}. IvoShandor 08:02, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

CfDs

In the future, you can add CfDs here, which puts it in a section of the WP:WPChi but saves the history as its own section. If you want to edit the section you will see where you need to go to make the edits when you try to do so. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 16:01, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Bot tagging

I am not so sure bot tagging would work the same at the state level. You would have to come to a consensus on how to selectively develop a list. E.g. whereas it is at least moderately relevant to include every alumni of every local univeristy with such an alumni category at the city level, it would be useless at the state level. For starters, You have fewer than 5000 articles at WP:Illinois, we already have over 10,000 at WP:WPChi. If you use a tag for everything under Category:Illinois you could have 50 or 100k articles. However, if you are interested you can get started at WP:BOTREQ. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 16:09, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Esmond, Illinois

I created this one awhile back (when I did Ashelford Hall), but I think I thought it was a village at the time, may need a minor tweak or two. IvoShandor 05:55, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

It seems Fairdale, Illinois also exists. As for the discussion I am not sure how to approach it and I am not sure if there is a difference in the two designations, but we should probably go with the most commonly used term as opposed to official and I would say that is unincorporated community, settlement, place with people living there, whatever. CDP is pretty heavy handed and bureaucratic in my opinion. IvoShandor 11:39, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

The dot on the Esmond map is in the wrong spot too, its latitude is about right but it should be over by the Ogle County border, darn it. Just FYI, in case you felt like fixing it. IvoShandor 11:40, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

deleted article

You recently deleted an entry I had written on Maralee Gordon. I would like to disagree with you on the point that she is insignificant- Rabbi Gordon has been an important leader in her own Jewish community and has had an influential role on expanding the boundaries of women within Judaism and incorporating theories of feminism into Jewish practice. If you visit the Jewish Women's Archive website, you will see that she is featured as one of a number of important Jewish women to the feminist movement. I would really appreciate it if you undeleted that entry, and I know there are many others who would strongly agree with my opinion. Thank you.Mrudnick87 19:03, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Cook County Communities

I am not sure what you mean by unincorporated. Have you seen Community areas of Chicago?

Creation of Illinois township articles

I ran across your new Madison County township articles. Keep it up! I filled out the list of Ohio townships some months ago, but only with really basic articles — you're doing much better to have a much bigger article than "___ Township is a township in ___ County, Illinois" :-) Hopefully you can get a lot more done soon. Nyttend 03:39, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of townships I included Flagg Township in a suggested Did You Know hook for City and Town Hall, maybe a little main page exposure will search out a potential expander. IvoShandor 09:30, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, no time to do that. Go to List of Ohio townships and click on various townships: you'll see that some are in a much more developed state than others. If you want, however, I'd be willing to create one county's worth of township articles, but in a really basic format, more basic than yours. Nyttend 13:06, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I use a template as well, but it's a lot smaller than yours; about the only benefit that you'd gain from my work, I think, is the changing of red links into blue links. As far as the wikiproject: I know that it could be done, but I'm happy to let others do it :-) I myself find it useful to have the discussion tab remain red if it's not been talked on. I've lately been working on adding county templates to Kansas articles, but I found it confusing at first because Kansas has been a lot more diligent than Ohio has at adding state wikiproject notes. Ah well, I'm sure it will get done sometime, but I have the feeling that not many Ohio people care about the townships. Thanks for the chat! Nyttend 13:22, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Parks questions

Hi Kranar, could you look at the map and see if the blue dots for State Fish & Wildlife Areas are distinguishable from the purple dots? Also, it seems to me that the Fish and Wildlife Area article names should be consistent - at least two use an ampersand, like Anderson Lake State Fish & Wildlife Area, while others spell out the "and", like Carlyle Lake State Fish and Wildlife Area. I see the official DNR pages use an ampersand, but the USGS GNIS has it as "Anderson Lake State Conservation Area" , so I am confused. If you decide on a name, let me know and I will change the map links to avoid redirects. Thanks, Ruhrfisch _><>° 03:12, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Top Candidates

I was hoping to get some feedback on prospective top candidates before we get to 10500 articles and then take our next top candidates vote when we get to around 11000. Your feedback would be appreciated. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 13:11, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Re:William C. Gilbreath

Actually, the ND Blue Book I have (1911) only says that he moved to Illinois in the brief biography that is given. He served in his position for 8 years though, so he would also appear in Blue Book 1913, 1909, 1907, and 1905. I will check those books when I get them and see if any more details into where he lived in Illinois are given. Weatherman90 15:04, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

WPChi falling on its face?

I hope you have been following along at Misplaced Pages:Featured_list_candidates#List_of_Chicago_Landmarks. If you have, then you may have noticed that the only drawback that seems to have emerged is the number of redlinks in the list. If you check in at WP:WIAFL this should not be a surprise. There is nothing much else really to complain about, IMO. I have said from the initial CHICOTW nomination. Unfortunately, once we worked on the page we found preponderant redlinks. I have always known this would be a problem and asked for help creating stubs. You may recall I encouraged us to spend an . This still fell short of getting the majority of articles linked. I continued to suggest that we attempt to create stubs. This whole effort six weeks ago seems to have brought down WP:CHICOTW. Since this attempt to get people to create redlinks for a budding WP:FL people have stopped participating in the CHICOTW. This week marks the fifth week in a row that there has been no significant editorial contribution during the CHICOTW. I would say I am afraid to lose CHIICOTW support by mentioning this, but since NO ONE has come by to help this week, it could not get any worse. If anyone cares about getting an FL at CHICOTW for our past efforts it might be a good idea to express such concern by creating 5 or so stubs from among the redlinks at List_of_Chicago_Landmarks. Since I have already created about 3 dozen I have mentioned on the discussion that I am standing pat with my contribution to this concern. However, if any of you cares, feel free to make some stubs. The 20 minute stub instructions are still available. If you create any such stubs list them at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Chicago#Newly_Created_Chicago_Related_Pages so that everyone can help you to clean it up. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:10, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Any new Chicago page added to the Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Chicago#Newly_Created_Chicago_Related_Pages list will get my attention. I hope to see some new pages there. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 22:46, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

No look at some of Ivo's work on the new pages section. He probably has a couple that are not NRHPs. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 00:34, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Here is the link to the NHL database, , it appears that All Saints Rectory is not on that list, nor is it on the list for the National Register of Historic Places . I will try to take a look and weed out any that aren't NHLs or registered, as I have told others, those databases are sometimes wrong but if you can't find it anywhere like that it probably isn't nationally recognized. IvoShandor 12:09, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I made some small changes to your first stub. Make sure to denote the community area with a piped link. Also, I have just discovered that categories are suppose to be listed alphabetically. I have also started making Chicago and Illinois separately linked, which is a personal preference. On a talk page like this you may or may not want to add {{Architecture}}, I usually do, but it is not necessary. Any help is good help though. Keep up the good work. Note that the external links section is not necessary if it is the same as the link in the notes section. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 14:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

P.S. thanks for asking me to look at your stub. I have now changed the stub instructions to reflect what I have learned recently about stubs. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 14:43, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

{EC)(undent)-Response copied to TTT's talk page too-Just a few comments, because this discussion is one that I feel like commenting on :-)

• I too have had some conflicts with the Architecture Project (I am a member) about talk page tags and have come across varying opinions. I even brought it up on the talk page of the project after I saw the comment about it on TTT's page. The discussion is currently ongoing amongst architects and architecture buffs. For now, at least with places listed as Registered Historic Places or Chicago Landmarks just go by why they were designated landmarks or listed on the Register. If its for their architectural significance or merit include the Architecture Project tag on the talk page, if that isn't one of the reasons don't include it.
• Alphabetical cats: I have also known this for sometime but prefer to let someone else or a bot do that stuff (bots do come along sometimes and do it).
• I am very wishy washy how I link place names (though I try to be consistent). Sometimes I link a place like this: Oak Park, Illinois and other times like so: Oak Park, Illinois. I don't know if the MOS says anything about it, perhaps I will look it up.

That is all for now folks. IvoShandor 14:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

More help needed

If you have been following along at WP:FLC#List_of_Chicago_Landmarks you know we need help creating stubs for the List to make it a more useful list and help it achieve WP:FLC status. Since I reminded people of this 7 stubs have been created. We need about 40 more to be safe although we may have a successful candidacy with the article as it stands.

Some of you may also be following the success of WP:CHICOTW at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Chicago/COTW/Good Articles. For the last 4 weeks no one has been very active. Thus, I am fearful that Historic Michigan Boulevard District, Harold Washington Cultural Center, Crown Fountain, & Art Institute of Chicago Building will all fail at WP:GAC when their turns come up. Also, Magnificent Mile did not experience the collaborative spirit. Our reputation as a successful collaboration is at stake. In addition to making stubs for the FLC we need your contribution to our collaborations. I am sorry to pull you away from whatever other wikipleasures you may be experiencing, but we need your help. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 17:07, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. I hope some others join in. I see the objector has withdrawn his objection at WP:FLC. I also see that you seem to have used the {{Infobox nrhp}} tool. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 23:32, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

No apologies are necessary. Your help is very solid. Thanks so much. Everyone has slightly different styles. I am just trying to unify them. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 23:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I am very grateful for your assistance. You are a machine with these stubs. You just pick a topic and blow them out. I have to create some more templates. I think I will creates a Chicago Landmark Houses template, and maybe ones for places of Worship, schools, and theatres. When I do the stubs, I get too concerned about looking for articles that I like enough to want to say I created that. I never get in a rhythm of a dozen on the same topic. I can not promise the help of the WP:CHICOTW because they have not been a productive group of collaborators. I.e, it has mostly been me by myself. You can see at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Chicago/COTW/Good Articles that for the last 4 weeks no one else has come by to help. Even with the stub request only one person other than you has created stubs this week (a total of 6). What I can promise is a barnstar, a userbox, a thanks and that you will be able to freely nominate the articles you think have the best shot at getting the attention of our group at WP:CHICOTW. I will support your nomination. I will put my effort into the article for the week. I can not speak for the rest of the loosely affiliated group. You may want to make a few edits to the article so that when you get your userbox (like I have on my user page) for helping to promote you will show up on the edit count.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 05:38, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

You have done plenty already. You don't need to do any more. Thanks for your help. Others have chipped in with about 5 or so apiece. We are set. I am just considering a formatting change for the List that will make it more appealing. I think it will be promoted as is however. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:19, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Historic districts in Chicago

Are you sure that historic districts such as Calumet/Giles Prairie District, Burling Row House District, Astor Street District, and others are listed on the National Register of Historic Places? I was going to add an infobox for one of them (I think Astor Street), but I couldn't find it on the National Register database. It's possible that they have other names on the National Register, or that the National Register includes subsets of the Chicago Landmarks. In any case, you might want to check. I have a copy of the National Register database downloaded, which you can query at this link - just enter Chicago for the city name. (Or any other city, come to think of it.) --Elkman 23:19, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I think TonyTheTiger has gone back over the historic districts you've created, and he's removed Category:Registered Historic Places in Chicago, Illinois from those articles that shouldn't be in the category. So, everything is cool now, as far as I can tell. Let me know if you have any questions about National Register properties, or check out Misplaced Pages:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places. --Elkman 04:48, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

FLW

Yep, FLW buildings indeed. I gots 'em. IvoShandor 07:43, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Chicago Landmark Houses

Thanks for all the help. I just created Template:Chicago Landmark houses and slapped it on all your new houses. I will work on one for places of worship soon. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 17:44, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Email

You should set your prefs to enable email, I need to ask your opinion off wiki. IvoShandor 22:43, 27 June 2007 (UTC) Email sent, nothing too serious, just want to know what you think. IvoShandor 19:19, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

County Templates

First of all, the WP:WPChi is only effectively administering Cook County, Illinois articles. At least right now that is all that that we are tagging with {{ChicagoWikiProject}}. I think you and User:Abog have a good dialog going. However, I support uniformity myself. If you need any other specific opinion I will give one, but I don't think this is my bailiwick. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 17:37, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Images

What? There's another place to upload? Speciate 01:56, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll pause for the evening. You can snag these nifty photos from the Cook County Assessor's office. Just type the address into their search page at http://www.cookcountyassessor.com/filings/searchflat//search.asp. Speciate 01:57, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Townships

Are you are aware that the boundaries for Cook County townships have changed? I uploaded the map from the Cook County Assessor. Speciate 02:06, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Mazon Township, Grundy County, Illinois

We already have a page for that place: Mazon, Illinois. However, you seem to have information that that article doesn't have. Since the later is the standard way we name articles, would it be okay to merge what you have over there and turn this into a redirect? -WarthogDemon 03:44, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay, gotcha. I guess I wasn't aware of the distinction. Earlier I even moved Moccasin Township, Effingham County, Illinois thinking it was just Moccasin, Illinois. I'll undo the move. -WarthogDemon 03:52, 30 June 2007 (UTC)