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Guy is away, somewhat disillusioned. He will be back. Probably.

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Terms of Service
By posting on this page you accept the JzG Terms of Service. I endeavour to satisfy good-faith requests to the best of my ability, but if you act like a dick, I will call you a dick. If you act like a troll, I will probably ignore you and may tell you to fuck off. If you want something from me, your best bet is not to demand it on pain of shopping me to ArbCom, because that way is pretty much guaranteed to piss me off to the extent that I will do whatever I can to thwart your plans. This page may contain trolling. Some of it might even be from me, but never assume trolling where a misplaced sense of humour might explain things. I can be provoked, it's not even terribly difficult. You may find, if you provoke me enough, that I will do something I later regret. Only remember, you may regret it more. I am a middle-aged surly bastard who spends his working day wrestling spammers and beating Windows with a stick, but I am capable of seeing good in the most improbable people if they don't go out of their way to make me do otherwise. Guy (Help!) 22:32, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

This user posts using a British sense of humour and does not repress those instantaneous motions of merriment.

Need advice for removals at Fred Thompson

Two accounts want to remove/have been removing material that criticizes a presidential canidate. Sbowers3 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and Eseymour (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) main activity is removing negative material and adding positive material to the article. Most recently they have even removed comments made by the subject. C56C 18:30, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I hope you stick around

I see you're feeling a bit disenchanted with WP. I don't know exactly what it is that has brought this upon you, but I want to let you know that I appreciate your work and contributions to the cause. I don't think of myself as a "Wikipedian", I use WP as a most frequent reference and I'm an occasional editor. From my experience on WP, I've come to value your opinions and respect your contributions at all levels. I can only imagine the difficulties and challenges an Admin must face and for suffering that alone, you would have my respect. But I respect your fairness, your firm though even handedness, and dedication to making WP better. You and I have been part of a couple debates that got heated and I think we will never agree on the nature of some of them, nonetheless, it hasn't negatively impacted my respect for you. I thank you and hope you stick around and retain your adminship. Misplaced Pages is better with you here and doing far more than your share in keeping the place clean. --JJLatWiki 19:58, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Frustrations

When you take decisive action, you are guaranteed almost every time to have someone start beating you over the head about it, citing policy this and policy that, often with a healthy does of self-righteousness. The problem is that the many editors who agree with your philosophy generally, or at least respect your integrity and good faith, do not post to your defence or help ward off the sanctiminious gripers. I hope you return: you are one of the best admins here and the place needs that touch of grouchy middle-age to provide honesty and consistency. Editors like me have been remiss in not rising to your defence with more commitment. Eusebeus 12:51, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Arrogant, High-handed or Condescending

In every exchange we've had, your comments have been arrogant, high-handed or condescending.

I hope the rest does you some good. David in DC 16:38, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Lotta interesting follow-up on my discussion page. David in DC 17:42, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

myg0t

I've relisted myg0t on DRV and added a proposed article to be re-created. Thought I'd let you know since you closed the last one. --Android Mouse 22:16, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Mostly away-ness

The lack of your contributions has made itself noticeable. I for one hope your present state of disillusionment is a temporary state and your hiatus a short one. ɑʀкʏɑɴ 22:48, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Another Merkey harassment thread

Hi JzG, per the messages above, I'm not certain that you're around anymore, but if you are… Merkey gets pushback when he should, just like any other editor. We don't need these SCOX trolls about; see contribs.Proabivouac 11:30, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedians who listen to video game music on WP:UCFD again

This category is again nominated for discussion at user categories for discussion. Since you contributed to the last discussion, you may wish to say something in the current one, which was started on 8 July 2007. This is a courtesy notice I'll be leaving for everyone who contributed in the last UCFD nomination and not in the current one. BigNate37_(T) 13:06, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Friendly Reminder

Earlier this year, JzG censored my userpage and then locked/protected it from editing, citing WP:SOAP. This lasted a week until I could find an admin with a spine (in this case Jossi) to unlock it
I had simply posted purely constructive criticism about Misplaced Pages, which is allowed by WP:USER. But the self-righteous User:JzG decided that even though I had shown him WP:USER and jusitified my actions, he simply ignored me.
And now I see that he has gone and done some soapboxing on his userpage, and his isn't even really constructive criticism about Misplaced Pages like mine was.
Following his own rules (which were wrong), his userpage should be blanked, and if he tries to put it back or give a defense, locked.
So now User:JzG should either

• 1) Admit that his actions were wrong, admit that constructive criticism is allowed on userpages, and appologise for censoring me and locking my page and for not listening to my defence,

or

• 2) Hold that he was correct, and thereby have to follow his own rules, and take his comments off his userpage for WP:SOAP rules.
  

Ladies and gentleman, we shall see.
For those interested in the incident, you can see The JzG / userpage censorship incident
Rfwoolf 15:34, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

What you're describing isn't a new phenomenon. Guy often takes action against other editors and then goes and does the exact same thing, if not worse. Welcome to the club. I don't want Guy to leave permanently as he's a good editor and I respect that; I just hope that this time away from the project allows him to reconsider his role as a very influential Wikipedian. Rockstar (/_C) 15:38, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Granted he was in all likelihood more of an asset than a liability. But after he made two personal attacks against me (once a 'Tossblanket' and another an 'asshole'), after censorship as mentioned above, his ultra-bias for deletionism and anti-inclussionism, the difficulties I have experienced in trying to reason with him, etc I can see problems related to abuse of power, and unadminly behaviour. If you try reason with him and cite wikipolicy he'll say "stop wikilawyernig", or he'll accuse you of not being a good editor, or a user with few edits, or he'll say "stop beating a dead horse" -- and other strawman tactics etc to leave you rather frustrated. Instead of an admin I can trust and respect, he's one that I've had to stay completely away from. If he does come back, let's hope he sticks to being the 'asset' admin, and not the 'liability' one. Rfwoolf 15:51, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Whatever issues that exist between admin Guy and other editors, will be eventually dealt in a civil manner and with mutual compromise. I don't know him well, but in a short exchange, he displayed polite manners and a disposition to take action. Hopefully, he'll realize he is indeed an asset to WP and not alone in his views. Jrod2 17:51, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

And in light of my comment it seems, you, User:Jrod2 have reverted his userpage to an earlier date. Nonetheless you will find he still has a section that could count as being a 'soapbox'. I've noted your comments above. Rfwoolf 17:55, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

• One consequence of being a busy admin: I now edit mainspace almost as infrequently as Rfwoolf, although I probably do enough stuff elsewhere to balance that. I don't suppose anybody will be taken in by Rfwoolf's partial retelling of the story above, missing out as he does his persistent re-creation of a deleted article, but I thank him for a perfect example of the kind of crap I am so heartily sick of. Rfwoolf, once upon a time you did a wrong thing and got called on it. Fucking get over it, man! Is your life really so devoid of meaning and value that trolling someone who called you on breaking the rules - and months ago at that - is the best use you can think of for your time? Have you ever put even half as much effort into an article as you did into your self-righteous bullshit screed you linked above? There's a bright future for you in the complaints division of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation, where you will find many kindred souls. Belgium. Just... Belgium, man. Guy (Help!) 18:07, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

You are diverting the issue. The issue I raised above discusses your censoring and locking my userpage. The issue you retaliated with was the recreation of an article. Perhaps you would like to drag out another straw man tactic? Rfwoolf 18:10, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

• Perhaps I was a little too subtle above. The message I was trying to convey is this: edit some articles or shut the fuck up you whining twat. Guy (Help!) 18:14, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
  • I rest my case Rfwoolf 18:27, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Guy, I'm sure you're aware that your comment is, quite simply, a direct personal attack. I'm not saying that your blanking of the userpage was not justified, but your response to Rfwoolf here most certainly is not. Please try to keep a cool head. -- Black Falcon 18:58, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
  • He can rest that case all he wants. While I would have used less colorful language, I think that is a largely apt response to Rfwoolf's whining. The problem, Rfwoolf, is that you're trying to wrap yourself self-righteously in policy against someone who has a bloody huge amount of credibility and a proven track-record of solid and substantial contribution to the project when the substance of your grievance seems to relate to the recreation of an article on anal stretching. You gotta be kidding me! Eusebeus 18:31, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

So you agree the personal attack and colorful language was out of line? Perhaps unadminly?

Furthermore the "substance" of my grievance as you put it, was not the recreation of an article on anal stretching. In fact if you're literate (which you are) you can easily tell it's about censoring and locking a userpage for constructive criticism on Misplaced Pages. You can read my words again if you like Rfwoolf 18:34, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

• • Holy over sized butt plug...is that what the root of this is about?--MONGO 18:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

    • I'm equally bewildered. I can't remember what articles I was editting 7 months ago. As the saying goes, by their fruits. -- llywrch 19:54, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

So you agree the personal attack and colorful language was out of line? Perhaps unadminly?

Furthermore the "substance" of my grievance as you put it, was not the recreation of an article on anal stretching. In fact if you're literate (which you are) you can easily tell it's about censoring and locking a userpage for constructive criticism on Misplaced Pages. You can read my words again if you like Rfwoolf 18:34, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

• • • LOL. God, the humanity. Eusebeus 18:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

You're missing a slight problem. It was not the unsupported action you imply; many people agreed with the decision. -Amarkov moo! 18:51, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

1) Assuming they did agree, then should User:JzG be allowed to go and do the same thing? On his own page? ... 2) The admin Jossi disagreed. Constructive criticism on userpages are allowed, according to WP:USER. I even cited this with User:JzG at the time, he practically ignored me. So it's one of those situations, if JzG was right then then he must follow his own rules. If JzG was wrong then, then your last statement is kinda wonky. Rfwoolf 19:02, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay, so two people disagree, one of whom is you. I still don't understand why you think that's bad. And you might have had some sucess on that first point if that was what you want, but you've destroyed all credibility you have by going "OMG HE ABUSIVE!". So nobody's likely to do anything controversial that you agree with now. -Amarkov moo! 19:05, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

It wasn't exactly constructive criticism; it was whinging about a deletion decision that you disagreed with. I wouldn't have blanked your page, and if I'd seen it brought up 7 months ago when it actually happened you might have had my half-hearted support. But rehashing the issue now, 7 months later, can only seem like dredging up ancient history to kick a valued admin/contributor while he's down in a totally non-productive fashion. This sort of thing generally falls under WP:POINT, or even WP:DICK - while you may have some sort of a point, and you may be even be right in some technical sense, people are unlikely to take you seriously as you seem to motivated primarily by your grudge against Guy, over a minor incident 7 months ago, and your need to play "gotcha!". MastCell 19:09, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm confused. Here you seem to have something rather constructive to say, yet on the AN/I you archived the thread, what I think was rather prematurely, and a personal attack was made. That said, I appreciate that some (although not many) wikipedians made some attempt to remain impartial in this debate without detracting from the actual debate and using foul play. Thank you to those. Rfwoolf 19:29, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I archived the thread because AN/I is not the complaints department, because no urgent admin intervention seemed necessary, and because discussion is already raging here. The post will serve its stated purpose of attracting any passersby on AN/I who wish to comment here. MastCell 19:53, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable, if not for the issue of the personal attack. Thank-you for a rational response. Rfwoolf 19:57, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

(deindent) I agree. JzG has a general statement on his user page while you had a specific one on yours. I see no problem with what he has, but I see problems with what you had. Further pursuance of this will look even more like WP:POINT than it has so far. Please desist and try to find something more useful to do. --John 19:10, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Let it be known that many of the comments I've made here are only to defend myself, or respond, not to further make a point. Therefore, while I will desist as you say, I do not take likely to personal attacks, nor attempts to twist my words and sidestep the issue by importing separate incidents and trying to connect them, in an attempt to discredit me. Rfwoolf 19:57, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

• Blatantly false, since you were the one to bring up your fatuous complaint here seven months or so after it was dead and buried. Your self-justifying whining will never obscure the fact that you reposted deleted contents, engaged in personal attacks and egregious trolling when it was removed again, disrupted the project, and have never shown any evidence, before or since, of editing sufficiently meritorious to offset your trolling. Your complaint is baseless and your continued pursuit of it is vexatious to the point of trolling. You have, however, provided a perfect example of the kind of worthless tripe that is becoming the norm. Now go away and take your tiny mind with you. Guy (Help!) 20:22, 11 July 2007 (UTC)