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Angeles City

Could I suggest that editorial disagreements are most likely to resolve quickly and productively when editors observe the following:

• Remain polite per WP:Civility.
• Keep the discussion focused. Concentrate on a small set of related matters and resolve them to the satisfaction of all parties.
• Focus on the subject rather than on the personalities of the editors.
• Use {{fact}} and {{check}} tags to highlight sections that either lack sources or have questionable sources.
• Revert only when necessary.

Thanks! Addhoc 23:34, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Killing fields of angeles hoax

With regards to your recent actions, it would be appreciated if you would not remove Articles for deletion notices from articles or remove other people's comments in Articles for deletion pages, as it appears you did with Killing fields of angeles hoax. The information boxes are needed to establish community consensus about the status of an article, and removing them without a valid reason is considered vandalism. If you oppose the deletion of an article, please comment at the respective page instead. Thank you. / edgarde 16:11, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Preda

If someone has been accused of a crime and later all the charges were dismissed, it isn't acceptable to merely say they were charged or accused, we must give balanced coverage in accordance with our policies on neutrality and living persons. Addhoc 09:48, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Angeles City

Your recent edits have introduced original research and neutrality concerns, accordingly I have reverted them. I'm not saying the current version is perfect, however changes of this nature require consensus. Also, describing other good faith editors as vandals is obviously uncivil. Addhoc 11:55, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

May 2007

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. However, we remind you not to attack other editors. Please comment on the contributions and not the contributors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Poppy2828 13:50, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

With regards to your comments on and . Please see Misplaced Pages's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. / edgarde 21:56, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: RodentofDeath Insults

can u please tell me where i can complain about people making unfounded abuse claims?RodentofDeath 02:33, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Corps of Administrators, but consider using the dispute resolution process first. Good luck. / edgarde 03:00, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

i was joking :P RodentofDeath 04:10, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Consider WP:SARCASM. Humor may be misinterpreted by readers. / edgarde 04:32, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Refactoring talk page comments

Sorry to pile on the Talk page warnings here, but I just wanted to let you know refactoring other editors' Talk page comments (as you did here) is generally a bad idea, and contrary to Misplaced Pages accepted practice. Even if more than half your comments were not variations of "wrong" and "I disagree", it would still not be considered helpful.

As a rule, don't edit others' comments..

I'm not using the standard User warning template for this because technically that's a vandalism warning, and obviously your intentions were good. But it makes the original comments harder to read in context, annoys the other editor (in this case, in an already contentious discussion), and is just generally a bad idea. / edgarde 01:12, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

ok, i thought it was better than copying each sentence she said (thus its in the article twice) and then replying to it. if you wish to revert its ok and then i can just copy what i have done into the discussion again. or we can go back and copy her original post from the archive and put it above it. i wasnt trying to silence her or alter her statement. it just seemed the easiest way to do it since practically every sentence was in error. RodentofDeath 02:24, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Please do not attack other editors, which you did here: User:RodentofDeath. If you continue, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. edgarde 13:57, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

what other editor? who am i attacking? i never mentioned anyone with anything to do with wikipedia. RodentofDeath 23:23, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

June 2007

Please do not delete content from articles on Misplaced Pages, as you did to Angeles City. Your edits do not appear to be constructive and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use Misplaced Pages:Sandbox for test edits. Specious reasoning aside, it should be clear by now that repeated blanking of this section is not justified. / edgarde 02:38, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

what blanking? i removed a sentence that was clearly in conflict with a different sentence in the same article. you apparently have personal issues with me that are clouding your judgement. RodentofDeath 02:43, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

You removed a well-sourced sentence that is not in contraction with the culinary sentence. This does not seem like a serious argument; it seems like a specious rationale to edit war. / edgarde 02:55, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

may i remind you that it is only YOUR OPINION that it is well sourced. as discussed before, citations such as the juvida citation have serious errors. in order for the "75% of the prostitutes in angeles are children" statement to be correct then she would need to consider everyone under the age of 35 a child. RodentofDeath 03:01, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

I am not the only person who believes this. There are five (5) reliable sources on this article. You deleted them all. You are continuing an edit war, using the flimiest imaginable excuses. Please stop. / edgarde 03:26, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

you have now reverted an edit that would cover all points of view in this discussion to one that conflicts with other parts of this same article. i would suggest that you stop your revert war as it is unproductive to the article and you have already shown that your knowledge and research of angeles is very limited. yes, there are 5 sources. most even conflict with eachother. if you believe that 75% of the prostitutes in angeles are children then yes, i guess they are reliable!!! RodentofDeath 03:35, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

No. I reverted an edit that was misleading (per the references). Introducing a biased interpretation does not cover all points of view. Your repetition of specious arguments suggests the misleading nature of this edit may have been deliberate. / edgarde 03:43, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

the edit states angeles has prostitutes. also cities of this size have prostitutes. are you saying that this information is incorrect? how can something as obvious as this statement is be misleading? RodentofDeath 03:49, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

You are invited to comment in Talk:Angeles City

I'm sure you have plenty to say here. / edgarde 04:35, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

August 2007

Please do not delete content from pages on Misplaced Pages, as you did to Human trafficking in Angeles City. Your edits do not appear to be constructive and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use Misplaced Pages:Sandbox for test edits. Thank you. Please discuss changes of this magnitude on the talk page first... thanks! Gscshoyru 13:44, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

you are joking, right? read the references. it is NOT a problem. it has been discussed before on the human trafficking page. the law is posted there. sex tourism is NOT human trafficking. there is no evidence of child prostitution in angeles despite ONE PERSON's claims to the contrary. i am here in angeles. it isnt a problem. do some research instead of listening to this mentally ill lady editing the encyclopedia.

if you are going to REVERT then you better have a good reason other than my edits "do not appear to be constuctive" when in fact THEY ARE CORRECT!!!

You seem to be the only person arguing your side, and both of your refs have to do with the government's claims about it, which is hardly an outside observer without a stake in this. You can say that the government claims it, but you can't say that because it claims it, it is true. Gscshoyru 14:09, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

ok, now you are really getting funny. you have an activist that receives compensation to for herself and her organization by making these outrageous claims and you are claiming she is the one that is correct and not the elected government??!!!

go back through the history. go back through the discussion. i am far from being the only person that claims this. you have one whining bitch that claims this and then she claims she is "attacked" when people insert correct information. look at her personal page. she claims she went up to a screaming child and tried pulling that child away from an adult... in all likelyhood the actual parent... resulting in her being stabbed by the person protecting their child from her kidnap attempt. she is completely nuts. she is racist. she thinks all men in angeles city that are white are pedophiles.

go back over her claims that were actually taken out. claims such as 150,000 prostitutes are in Angeles. this despite the population of Angeles being 280,000. she claims children are prostitutes in bars. her proof for this is 3 arrests in the last 25 years. interestingly enough two of the people she makes these claims about are still walking around town and WERE CLEARED OF ALL CHARGES.

you can back any side of the argument you like. i dont care. all i am interesdted in is displaying the facts and the facts are that there is NOT a problem here in Angeles. please read this http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7008018256 and this http://www.petitiononline.com/44441212/petition.html before deciding what the facts are.

With regard to your comments on Human trafficking in Angeles City: Please see Misplaced Pages's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. relevant edit / edg ☺ ★ 17:12, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

its not a personal attack. it is documented in the newspaper article i cited. thanks for your concern. RodentofDeath 03:08, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to blank out (or delete portions of) page content, templates or other materials from Misplaced Pages, as you did to Human trafficking in Angeles City, you will be blocked from editing. Gscshoyru 17:42, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

i didnt delete or blank out anything. i corrected incorrect information. i'll be checking now to see if you also gave the same warning to the person that actually did delete my corrected information. RodentofDeath 17:55, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Human trafficking in Angeles City. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content which gains a consensus among editors. Gscshoyru 18:03, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

what is your problem?

why do you insist on replacing well documented information with information that even the philippine government knows is a hoax? susanbryce is a complete nut case. there is no truth to her stories what-so-ever. do some serious research into it before reverting and deleting the correct info. when a Senator from the Philippines tells someone to point out where this is happening and they cant its obvious the hoax has been exposed once again. the entire human trafficking in angeles article is a work of fiction.

as far as consensus, if you are still arguing that point i can tell you have not gone over the discussion page to actually see what the consensus is. the consensus is that susanbryce is a lunatic. the "problem" of human trafficking, pedophiles prowling the streets, children being sold by parents, etc. doesnt exist. RodentofDeath 18:15, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Hm... it seems to me that have misunderstood the talk page, somewhat. It's more of an argument between two people than many against one. However, the fact that moderate person on the talk page has reverted your edits and the fact that you are not being WP:CIVIL and using personal attacks against other editors (i.e. calling her a lunatic) led me to believe you were a POV-pushing troll, which may be less true than I thought. However, I did a little bit of research and I still think you're somewhat in the wrong here. I suggest you shape up your attitude somewhat and be civil in order to make yourself believable, and have a reasoned discussion rather than the kind that you're having. If you do that, people will listen to you more, rather than disregarding you. believe it or not, shouting actually makes people ignore your message on wikipedia, it doesn't make people listen to it better. Ok? Oh, and please don't revert again, or you will be in violation of the 3RR, and will most likely end up blocked for 24 hours. Discuss nicely on the talk page rather than changing the actual page and your position will improve. Gscshoyru 18:38, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

thanks for the advice but i find it a bit frustrating to be told to discuss it on the talk page by someone that doesnt do it themselves.RodentofDeath 18:42, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

she is actually a lunatic. i dont call people names. check her medical history. check her personal page. she is a former prostitute (i am guessing at the "former" part, actually) with serious delusions. if you find the time go back over the discussion pages and find anyone else that has any knowledge of angeles that supports her position. seriously, can you think of anyplace in this world that has 53% of its population in prostitution? she has thousands of girls serving hundreds of customers a week. thats hundreds of thousands of people at the very least going to prostitutes in one town. RodentofDeath 18:52, 5 August 2007 (UTC)