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Containment

Accusations on a popular website like Slashdot that a prolific administrator is accepting money to make articles biased can affect Wikimedia fundraising efforts and deserve to be seriously dealt with and not ignored. I trust that you and your fellow board members are taking appropriate steps. I warned you early on that the Essjay thing needed proper handling and it was mishandled. I think this case needs to be evaluated by legal personel and maybe just maybe at some point the wikimedia foundation can announce that an internal investigation has revealed zero evidence of any such thing. I know that I have zero evidence of any such thing and I've followed this in detail. WAS 4.250 18:41, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I am monitoring the situation carefully, and the communications committee is as well. The thing is: the story is so transparently preposterous that it is hard to imagine any serious journalist picking it up at all. Most of the people discussing it seem to be completely confused about the facts. If the question is: "Is SlimVirgin a pseudonym for someone who prefers to maintain a high level of privacy?" then the answer is a clear YES. If the question is: "Does Misplaced Pages sometimes oversight material when personal information is posted into the wiki?" then the answer is a clear YES. If the question is: "Doesn't this prove that SlimVirgin is a spy?" then, uhhhhhhh....--Jimbo Wales 14:08, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Daniel Brandt is pushing harder on this than he pushed on Essjay. Daniel Brandt's opinion is highly regarded by Seigenthaler, among others. Seigenthaler is highly regarded in the news business. Spy stories sell newspapers. This is not going away. WAS 4.250 15:03, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Talking to Daniel Brandt might be useful in ensuring that you are fully informed as to the claims and evidences; as you should be as the public face of wikipedia. I think that casually dismissing claims that she is a spy is poor strategy for many reasons. I think we should focus on wikipedia's objectively determinable concerns - namely that her on-line wikipedia behavior does not indicate being paid to bias articles. Whether more evidence than an in-house examination of her on-line wikipedia behavior is possible or desireable is I think a matter for her and our lawyers and such. At some point, if this got enough out of hand, she might welcome a certified clearing of her status based on a confidential release of financial information to lawyers (but maybe not - I wouldn't know). In any case, this needs careful handling and not ignoring or off the cuff comments. I'm glad I can count on you for that. Good luck with all your endeavors. WAS 4.250 15:32, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Is a log kept of all Oversight actions, with clear and detailed summaries for every time the Oversight function was/is used? Cla68 20:43, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

We are doubling in size every year. This requires a constant evolution of processes and procedures. I suggest that questions concerning oversight and other management issues are appropriate and useful. (Don't shoot the messenger.) WAS 4.250 22:46, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

As long as it is set up correctly, all oversight logs are kept in a private directory on the server. All oversighted revisions stay in the database, and can be viewed or unoversighted by a developer at any time (within reason). Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 23:47, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Should the logs be viewable by everyone? Cla68 02:28, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

That destroys the point of oversight - The logs are viewable by the foundation, and that is all that is needed. Oversight is for removing personal information, and having logs viewable would show some of that information (especially if part of it was in the edit summary). Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 05:14, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Then how do we achieve some level of transparency in our oversight function? Vague edit summaries ("deleted due to personal information")? Or is transparency not something we desire in our possibly more controversial administrative functions? Cla68 07:16, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages began with maximum public transparency. Public transparency has been compromised inch by inch over time as the need to do so for legal and moral reasons have surfaced and as we have gotten larger and accumulated people who bear us ill will. But public transparency is compromised as little as possible. WAS 4.250 20:04, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I've observed that a couple of editors in good standing have formally requested on IRC that at least one oversight admin remove themselves from the project indefinitely because of questions about that oversight admin's impartiality and judgement related to this controversy. Perhaps that is a good idea that he or they do so while we weigh the appropriate transparancy of the oversight function. Who is/are the English Chapter's Misplaced Pages policy-making board that we can take this to for resolution? What, there isn't one? Why not? Cla68 14:54, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

(<---) The Wikimedia Board of Directors is evaluating just that issue. See this message and the following thread. This is being handled in a very thoughtful deliberative way. I'm sure your input would be appreciated. Discussion and evaluation is expected to occur during August, so that we can move on end of august on the topic. WAS 4.250 19:24, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I think you have misinterpreted Anthere's message, which was a general message about checkuser policy, not made in response to this or any other controversy, and certainly the board is absolutely not currently considering making any changes to who has checkuser. Within the English Misplaced Pages, and all Wikipedias with an ArbCom, the ArbCom decides who is and is not given checkuser access. The ArbCom, of course, is closely following this and all other controversies within English Misplaced Pages, and will act if it seems there is anything to be done.

However, as one of the few people with full access to all the relevant information, I can tell you that any change is extremely unlikely, based on what we know so far, and people should be really cautioned not to listen to luantic trolls about alleged conspiracies. :) --Jimbo Wales 06:53, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Jimbo, I appreciate your reasoned response to my question but I have to ask, why isn't this an issue on any other language Misplaced Pages except En (English)? I assume good faith, but the controversy needs to be put to bed with open debate. Why are threads being archived so quickly on WP:AN when people still have more input and why are non-trolling comments being deleted from user pages so quickly? Some are obviously trolling but some questions are from editors in good standing. Cla68 17:34, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Because it is an very emotional issue with a handful of imperfect humans (as we all are) on the English language wikipedia who are individually and collectively a great asset to wikipedia. Our rules are not perfect. Our community is not perfect. No contributor is perfect. We are muddling though a process that is seeing us double in size every year. We don't want to kill the very process that created us by heavy handed top down control or letting outside forces decide our rules. On the other hand the latest emotion driven out of process behaviors decrease transparency, decrease perceived credibility to the extent we look like we are not taking admin COI and POV-pushing into account, drive out less protected contributors who feel bullied, and are a heavy handed mid-level down control inconsistent with the very process that created us. So we have to as a community cool down and talk to each other in measured tones. WAS 4.250 22:28, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

like this? - unsigned

(<---)You are suggesting the wikimedia community elect a body? We have. It's called the wikimedia board of directors. WAS 4.250 15:41, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Greetings and an Invitation

Hola! Gnangarra suggestion that I contact you about my project featuring Misplaced Pages. I am an English as a Foriegn Language teacher at the college level at ITESM Campus Toluca, just a bit west of Mexico City. For my Advanced B class, which consists over very proficient speakers of English, the focus and goal of the course is for students to become members of the Misplaced Pages community, culminating in the contribution of a new full-length article in English.

Please feel free to browse my user page and the pages related to the project at:

Misplaced Pages:School_and_university_projects/ITESM_Campus_Toluca

Gnangarra also mentioned to me that you might be willing to speak to us if you are in the area. If you are really willing, I can make some inquiries here about bringing you in as a speaker, though I have no idea what the school would be willing to offer. Sure couldnt hurt to ask! Certainly would make for a buzz around here!

Thanks for your time and attention.

Thelmadatter 13:38, 1 August 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter

Yes, I would be excited to visit your school. This would be especially good for next year, since in January, I plan to start studying Spanish. :) --Jimbo Wales 06:56, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Going to be learning Spanish? Fantastico. Let us know when you start (with a user box) and we can start writing to you in Spanish too, SqueakBox 18:19, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

That would be wonderful! The only minor problem is perhaps the timing... The course I am giving based on Misplaced Pages is for the Fall of 2007 (Aug 6 - Nov 15). The Advanced B course is not available in the spring. If you could visit us during the fall sometime, that would be great. I can only imagine how seeing you would motivate my students! However, if you cannot come in person during that time period, I understand. Maybe a video greeting would work quite well! However, if you find yourself in the neighborhood, you are always welcome.

Thelmadatter 17:55, 5 August 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter

I assume the decision to learn Spanish has nothing to do with an incident involving Steven Colbert and the Spanish WP? Confusing Manifestation 06:14, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Curious about your personal Licensing philosophy

Following a bit of a dispute on WikiNews over whether or not I should be allowed to release my own writings into the public domain, instead of being forced to license them under CC-By - I became interested in your personal philosophy. I read a few of the board's statements on the inherent "freedom" espoused by WMF, but wasn't able to find any exact statement (which would agree with my personal philosophy...) stating that "Public Domain is encouraged".

I know Misplaced Pages edits are automatically GFDL, since it would be nigh impossible to have an ever-changing article have every editor agree to PD edits, but with something "closed" like Wikinews (where articles are locked to preserve integrity after a week), I personally believe it should be up to the contributors, and if all the article's contributors agree, they should be allowed to license the article as public domain, rather than CC-By.

Isn't the very philosophy of freedom mean that the editors should be free to license their own contributions as PD, (and thus any completed work that is done solely by such users, the same) - rather than fit the narrow-minded ego of "No, you are not allowed to grant media outlets the right to use your work without crediting Wikinews, we demand credit!", when it's our work to do with as we please? I have trouble reconciling "free" with "not allowed to be public domain", and it's early in the morning and I'm going to cut off my rambling here, only to say that I am curious about your personal opinions on the matter, when you have spare time and feel like responding to a loon :) Sherurcij 12:01, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

To be an advocate of the devil, there's nothing that prohibits you from releasing your work under PD, just do it on your own website. Projects like Misplaced Pages and Wikinews have chosen the various licenses they have, and that's what they have now. On a practical side, the only way your PD-self licensing would work on Wikinews is if you were the only author. I imagine Wikinews has an equivalent to WP:OWN, after all, it IS a wiki, so that would be essentially an assertion of ownership over an article during the editing phase. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 17:46, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Not a bad point, though one that was addressed in the discussion - since any editor could freely remove the PD tag and the article would revert to being CC-By. It was simply for articles which were either single-author (common on Wikinews), or multiple authors who all agreed to release it to the PD. Sherurcij 18:32, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

The whole question is pointless since in most jurisdictions there is no practical way for you to release your work PD in the first place. CC BY is as free as you can get without some complexities. --Jimbo Wales 16:20, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Regarding IP address edits

I'm rather concerned by the increasing bias against contributors who contribute via IP addresses. Rather than being "the 💕 that anyone can edit", it's increasingly "the free encylopaedia that anyone can edit ", and despite indications that the foundation fundamentally doesn't want to block IP-address editors, slowly but surely the rights are being removed.

The AfC backlog - something that was an essential condition in blocking IPs from starting new articles - is now 15 months old and isn't going anywhere. Admins are increasingly misusing IP address blocks, giving indefinite blocks after 1 lot of vandalism and any attempt to be unblocked is denied as "Wikilawyering" or similar. Many editors treat IP address contributors as second-class citizens by being revert-heavy. Few people seem to actually care about IP address editors, leading to consistent removal of features and proposals such as this. Few registered members seem to want to stand up for the right of IP address editors, presumably based on the assumption that they're merely all vandals.

I feel this is a worrying trend that is likely to continue and I there should be some way of counteracting this bias and stereotype among long-time editors. I feel something must be done before the slippery slope continues and IP contributors are blocked outright. -81.178.104.145 03:14, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Why don't you just get an account?--Jimbo Wales 16:21, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

The AfC backlog is indeed pathetic, but it also appears, to my random glances, to be much worse than Special:Newpages, which is bad enough as it is. As much as I am in favor of anonymous editing, I wouldn't mind if the whole AfC concept was scrapped. ←Ben 03:53, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, it certainly makes a change for a post arguing the case for IP editing! This matter, usually against allowing the current situation, is a frequent visitor to the forums - and it rarely gets further than a few statements for and against, and then it goes quiet until the next time. As it is, ip editors have the same core rights as registered users - they can edit the encyclopedia. Any "further" abilities that registered users have is based around having a history and a means of one to one communication, as ip's can cover a group of individuals and edits.

Are registered users unduly harsh regarding ip edits? Some might be, but then they may be with other edits. As in all these cases, it is impossible to quantify how many people review an ip's edit, deem it appropriate and move on; sometimes it is only when a subsequent edit is reverted to an ip edit can it be determined it was good.

Actually, this perennial question does do some good - every so often someone comes along to knock the contributions by ip's, and a bunch of folk then reiterate both the principle of allowing ip editing and the benefits. Happy editing! LessHeard vanU 09:16, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I think IP address users are more often being linked to vandalism, because most vandals simply tend to be anonymous. Not all of them, but most of them. I believe in IP addresses shouldn't be allowed to create articles, we already get too many articles getting created that are vandalism as it is. Creating an account is simple, and that user now has a username to which all their edits are assigned and it becomes easier to identify and praise their work (if they do it properly that is).

It is the same on RC Patrol, I'm sure most users look closely at edits made by IP addresses more than any other - and I'm sure edits made by established users (with an account) do not get even a quick look. Trust is the factor there. You see, IPs bring the image of 'newbie' - everyone starts off as an IP and that's where all the cock-ups are made before you become an 'established' Wikipedian. I hope you can see what I'm trying to get at here! Sorry if my comment was a bit confusing, but I think the system is fine as it is, however I rarely venture onto AfC - I'm more of an AfD and RC person, so I can't really assert myself too much here. Lradrama 09:48, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Proposal: add "An Encyclopedia" to the list of things Misplaced Pages is not?

After having had a look at a number of deletion reviews, something occurred to me. Of all the deletion discussions initiated under WP:N that I've seen, I've never seen a contributor change a "delete" vote to a "keep" vote after being provided with citations and references, where the WP:N review had been initiated under the (incorrect) assumption that no such citations existed.

I'm not saying my observations are indicative of a universal trend here on WP (I have not done a survey or exhaustive review), but I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case. This is especially troubling since this precise circumstance has popped up in a recent discussion regarding the deletion of an article about a popular Open Source software package cited numerous times in scholarly sources in the contexts of Education, distance learning, and accessibility; interests that (I would have thought) closely coincide with those of Misplaced Pages itself.

Nevertheless, WP contributors (at least some) seem to see things differently.

So I wonder, has a WP contributor ever changed a WP:N deletion vote from "delete" to "keep" based on the provision of references? If "no", or "yes, but only infrequently" one wonders if WP should really be calling itself an "Encyclopedia" to begin with? It would seem "discussion forum" or "essay repository" would seem more appropriate, and reflective of the varying and somewhat haphazard standards of inclusion and removal here. Standards that do not always mesh with the interests of scholarly credibility and completeness, or indeed, not even the interests and credibility of WP itself. Instead, standards seem often swayed more by the demographic cohort and the personal preferences of the contributors themselves (especially the WP "regulars" who constitute the preponderant influence in AfD discussions).

I'm sure I'm not the first person to bring this up, but I'd be curious to hear what ya think. Regards. dr.ef.tymac 08:21, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Most contributors would change their decision if you notified them on their talk page. Also, since AfD is not a vote, the closing admin would most likely put less weight to these invalid opposes, or even no weight in some cases. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 08:45, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

I have seen people change their vote in light of new references several times. The majority of people don't watch the AfD pages they vote on, and the closers realize this. ←Ben 09:46, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable, anybody got a diff for an example? Not that I doubt what you're saying, it'd just be nice to see. dr.ef.tymac 11:36, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

• See the recent AfD on Fudgie Frottage, where a majority of deletes and speedy deletes flipped to keep, including myself. - Crockspot 12:30, 6 August 2007 (UTC) PS I would add that User:Benjiboi deserves full credit for singlehandedly saving that article from certain deletion. He worked his ass off for days finding and citing sources, and rewriting the article from gibberish to a decent article. I couldn't even figure out what or who the article was about the first time I read it. - Crockspot 12:34, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Given that I've recently flipped my own vote on an article after seeing references, I'd say yes. If you feel that most of the votes were provided without seeing notable sources introduced later, see WP:DRV --L-- 12:40, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

• As was done in the Fudgie Frottage AfD, if significant improvements are made during the course of an AfD, I think it is appropriate to contact editors who voted delete and ask them to take another look. I have even been notified in the past that my vote would not be considered unless I indicated that I had reevaluated the article. I thought that was pushing it a bit, but I didn't see a major problem with it. - Crockspot 12:45, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  • On another note, when I close an AFD, I look at those things. If editor X said, Delete - no WP:RS, and i look at the article and find that reliable sources were provided after the afd was initiated, I take that into account when closing an AFD. I am not saying I choose to arbitrarily discount votes however feel that common sense should prevail in those situations. Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 16:25, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

• I've seen lots of them, and am proud of having caused a few :-).
  • Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Alice_Barnham
  • Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Shelly Jamison
  • Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/James_W._Walter ...before ... Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/James W. Walter (second nomination) ... after.
  • Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Monica Coghlan
  • Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Vicca

There's a whole essay about this, called WP:HEY. It's one of my favorites. --AnonEMouse 21:07, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

• Wow, an essay that I actually don't want to nominate for deletion! Cool. Though I might renominate some of those other AfD's. (kidding!) - Crockspot 21:12, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

• I've seen it often as well. DS 22:19, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks to those who responded, (especially AnonEMouse). Even though this is purely anecdotal (including my initial speculation) this does provide a reasonable counter-balance to my original viewpoint. It's nice to see that people can (and do) reevaluate their perspectives once provided with new information :). Regards. dr.ef.tymac 00:48, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

The instances that I am familiar with are not related to provision of missing citations and sources but to the general quality and encyclopedicity of an article. I will cite the instances that come to mind:

• Adaptation to global warming
• Crime in Mexico
• Poverty in India

In all three cases, I was able to get Delete voters to change their minds by leaving them a message on their Talk Pages after I had improved the article to the point where it was worth keeping. I would say that the key is to proactively lobby the Delete votes. This has to be done with civility and humility and one must not pester Delete voters. However, if you have a valid case that the article has changed, it is reasonable to ask the Delete voters to review the latest version and reconsider their vote. The reason for leaving messages on Talk Pages is that editors don't always monitor the AFD pages after they vote.

--Richard 01:04, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

And, as if we needed to toss out more examples, I saved Hannah's Gift from its AfD fate. Once I did some research and provided some refs, it was a unanimous keep. EVula // talk // ☯ // 00:47, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Meetup/Miami 2

If you want to come, I know it's a few hours drive from St. Pete. It's likely going to be somewhere between this Friday and Sunday. Thanks Jaranda 16:29, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

VK35

I saw on VK35's talk page you and him got in a argument(I can't seem to find a better word). Do you know what made this happen? Also I AM NOT VK35.69.145.163.26 20:22, 6 August 2007 (UTC) also User:Wiki-wikify

Happy Birthday!

Please note, I am not celebrating anything today, Britannica notwithstanding. :) --Jimbo Wales 19:14, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey, Mr. Wales, happy birthday! I 'm a Chinese who come from Hong Kong, and I'm now making contributions in the Chinese Misplaced Pages. I was born in August 7 too! Can we make friends? -- King of King Chaplin _{♨Discuss with me please!} 03:54, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Happy birthday! Best wishes, --Frank Schulenburg 06:05, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Happy Birthday Jimmy! Cheers, Dfrg.msc 11:24, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

It's your birthday? Then have a great one! Gscshoyru 11:28, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Happy birthday, Jimbo. Wishing you the best in your life. --Meno25 12:10, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Birthday eh? Well, happy birthday! Jmlk17 16:37, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey, if you add 18 days, your birthday's the same as mine! Well, happy birthday, Susan Jimbo! — Malcolm (talk) 16:52, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

1. Pile On Happy Birthday. I have no doubts in my mind that this editor is ready to become a year older. Congrats, Jimbo! --L-- 17:03, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Very Happy Birth Day! --Bhadani (talk) 18:04, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

• Happy Birthday aswell!!! My birthday is 8 days from now. James Luftan 18:29, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Happy bir- oh wait, this date doesn't match your birth certificate! Bramlet Abercrombie 18:35, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

In which case; a very Happy Unbirthday... LessHeard vanU 19:58, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

More secrets from you Jimbo or should I say, Susan! Why did you not mention your recent name change? (see picture) AndrewJDTALK -- 22:17, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Happy Birthday (although I am late). I am also curious to the name (and possibly gender, not to stereotype the name) change? Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 00:33, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Happy birthday, Jimbo Wales, from someone who does not have a birthday template made! :) (Oh and whichever day it is, I'm right—it's August 8 server time and August 7 my time. :D ) —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  00:36, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and I'm also giving you another of the cakes I gave you last year. :) —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  00:38, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey, happy belated birthday, Jimbo Wales. :) Greg Jones II 01:01, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

A very happy belated birthday to you, Mr. Wales! Sr13 is almost Singularity 08:50, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Courtesy blanking

I saw that you did a courtesy blanking on Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Badlydrawnjeff. I note that User:Internodeuser, who is no longer a banned user, had requested in his own Arbitration that the only thing he wished was for it to be blanked, and deleted from the system. Since there has now been a history of a number of Arbitration requests being blanked for privacy, one in which the entire Arbitration was based on the user requesting privacy seems the most obvious of all to blank. I note that he also requests for the Request for Arbitration to be oversighted, now that that tool is available.

See your note here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales/Archive_25#Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration.2FBadlydrawnjeff

I urge you to consider courtesy blanking, if not entirely deleting from the database, all completed Requests for Arbitration, especially where there are serious privacy concerns.

P.S. I just noticed that Internodeuser's second account, User:Zordrac is currently banned, so I guess that that ban should be reviewed.

P.P.S. I also courtesy blanked the sub pages, as I noticed that you forgot to do that, and they can just as easily come up in search engines.

P.P.P.S. It looks like Zordrac's block was done by User:SlimVirgin against the community decision: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Zordrac . In light of recent events of proported invasion of privacy, perhaps this block should be overturned?

P.P.P.P.S. I noticed he is now running a forum for criticism of Misplaced Pages, but I won't quote it here as it is labelled as an attack site. He claims that Zordrac was never a sock puppet, but was an off-wiki agreement as a second account to use to cover the Peter Falconio situation, and that he now wishes to return to Misplaced Pages, using his normal name of User:Blissyu2 or his real name. I do not know if this is relevant, but it seems that that is his request. He says that he refuses to sneak in to Misplaced Pages, and is waiting for an apology.

P.P.P.P.P.S. I hope that it's okay to link to the site where he makes the explicit request. If it is not then please delete the link. The link is http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=11415 . Perhaps that will give more of an understanding in to why Internodeuser wants the Arbitration page to be courtesy blanked.

123.2.168.215 17:35, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

As I noted on your talk page, I reverted your edits to the Badlydrawnjeff arbitration case pages. Please do not edit arbitration case pages after the case is closed. We discussed this courtesy blanking and are discussing others on the Arbitration Committee mailing list. Thanks for your interest. Take care, FloNight 17:42, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Public Pedia Act

Greetings Jimbo Wales! I have been thinking of accomplishing an act on Misplaced Pages. This act will make every Wikipedian content and happy! It will be a type of discussion or should I say talk page. Wikipedians will solve problems and make friends with Wikipedians. It will be where Wikipedians will state opinions which will make Misplaced Pages a better site. To make your creation complete. To help you too wth new ideas. So all need sire I mean Jimbo is to see if you approve of this or deny of this act. I need your descision because I do not want go against your policies. You are the boss you decide.--Angel DavidPresents 00:20 7 August, 2007 (UTC)

So you know, this would be better discussed with the Wikimedia board. Note that wikipedia is not a social networking site, so things entirely for friendship etc is not approriate. For suggestions, please feel free to propose them on the village pump, in the proposals section. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 00:32, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

more birthdate nonsense

Is it somehow possible to resolve the issue about your correct birthdate once and for all? There is still a discussion underway about it on your bio article. Obviously personal anecdote doesn't meet WP:RS, but this is getting embarrassing for Misplaced Pages. VanTucky 05:01, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Some people (not you) seem to have a hard time grasping humor. :) In any event, the quotes in the Oregonian are correct. The Current Biography article was riddled with massive errors, such that I had to send them several pages of corrections. Personally, I would never trust that one as a reliable source! --Jimbo Wales 09:09, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

BLP check

Could you, or someone who monitors your talk page, come look at Michael Savage (commentator). I know you left a message on the article's talk page some time back and removed some content. This article will always be somewhat contentious, but I worry that some of the content is unecessarily inflammatory. For example, One postcard mentions his "thought of inserting my camera's lens in your A-hole to photograph the walls of your rectum." I would truly like to see this article move to GA status, but I do not see any way it can in its current state. Ursasapien (talk) 06:13, 8 August 2007 (UTC)