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I added an 'also known as' for "Warrenpoint massacre" -- this is what the BBC refers to it as -- even if I don't necessarily agree. If someone finds it inappropriate, be my guest and remove it. - Francis Tyers · 22:58, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Inclusion in Category:People_killed_by_IRA

Until and unless we can include the names of all 18 people killed in this incident, I think this article should remain categorised as above since to do otherwise might seem to belittle the relevance of their deaths.

The difficulty with that approach is, of course, that each individual may not pass the notability test. ...Gaimhreadhan • 18:00, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

If there was an individual article about an individual the was killed then this category would apply.--Vintagekits 18:02, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
The category is now a sub-cat of Category:Provisional IRA actions, which should solve the problem. One Night In Hackney303 18:08, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
I think that is a topological impossibility, Sir.
No references have been provided in the article to substantiate that this was one of the Category:Provisional IRA actions and even if they were, Category:Provisional IRA actions should be a sub-category of Category:Republican actions. WP advice is that it is not wrong to have overlapping and simultaneous categorisation.
In line with WP policy I have added this article to the categorisation Category:British Army since their units indubitably took part. If we can not find a reference substantiating IRA involvement then I would suggest adding this article to two new super categories: Category:Republican killings and Category:Loyalist killings (since one British civilian was killed by forces loyal to the crown). W. Frank 14:36, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
The IRA involvement is referenced, by the footnote at the end of the paragraph. There's ample more references available for it as well. Category:Provisional IRA actions should not be a sub-category of Category:Republican killings, at it currently includes actions where people did not die. One Night In Hackney303 14:38, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Is there a sub category of Category:British Army with Category:British Army killings?--Vintagekits 14:43, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Battle infobox

I think the article is in need of a battle infobox. Any opinions about?. DagosNavy 00:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes. Fuck off, but thanks for the idea. Maybe I'll give the Bloody Sunday article one. I bet your quite annoyed that Argentina lost the Falklands War. No?. So like an insurgent, no better than the your ancestors who lived in Spain at the time of Napoleon, you take to using someone elses conflict to get your aims and across. --posted by User:84.64.213.101


My ancestors lived mainly in Italy, not in Spain at the time of Napoleon. Yeah, Argentina lost the Falklands war, I assume that fact, I have not trouble with, but that was 25 years ago, and life continued as usual, so I think you lost the bet. Frankly, who appears somewhat annoyed about the failure of the Brits to beat a small bunch of well armed peasants after 30 or so years of struggle seems to be you. Thanks for calling me an "insurgent". It's better to be an insurgent than a coward asshole who makes a personal attack from the anonymity.

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(2) These team editors consistently seek to muddy and obfuscate the distinctions between the pre 1920 IRA, CIRA, OIRA, PIRA, RIRA and other sects. They do this in order to mislead our readers into believing that PIRA is the direct political heir of the pre 1920 IRA and achieve greater "electoral respectability" for provisional SF thereby. This is why the team editors engage in revert warring to try to obliterate any reference that clarifies that PIRA is meant in the article and instead insert the wholly ambiguous "IRA" instead. The political purpose of these team edits is again to reduce the political significance of the competing groupings and enhance that of current political groupings sympathetic to PIRA.

(3) They seek to remove any reference to terrorism and the victims of terrorism – except when they are "PIRA-approved victims" as in our Bloody Sunday (1972) article – as in our Bloody Friday (1972)‎ article. Compare and contrast our articles with PIRA involvement and our articles with Islamic terrorist] involvement. Note the lede in World Trade Center bombing where the team's interest and influence is extremely low and the howls of anguish when that "naughty word" is used correctly to reflect the overwhelming available authoritative sources with regard to PIRA actions where non-combatants were murdered and mutilated.

According to Jimmy Wales, NPOV is "absolute and non-negotiable." W. Frank talk ✉  16:44, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Update relevant to biased editing:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6947532.stm W. Frank talk ✉  22:32, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
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