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The Peachoid has also been confused for a huge butt, leaving passing motorists confused at what the City of Gaffney meant by this enormous landmark.

What?!?1

I think it is understood exactly what the Board of Public Works "meant" by erecting this monument, after all, South Carolina produces more peaches than any other state, except California. As a matter of fact, at one time, one S.C. county alone could produce more peaches than the entire state of Georgia (The Peach State).

Sure that's what they meant. What's your point? The article has to state it, really, though, since SC being the "real peach state except California which is cheating because it's so big" is not general knowledge. Georgia, for its part, never set out to be the Peach State. It set out to be Empire State of the South. The whole peach thing is based on several misunderstandings. "Peachtree Street" is the center of Atlanta, but it's really named for a pitch tree rather than a "peach" tree. Hypercorrectives decided that old timers had been mispronouncing "peach." It was a pitch tree because the city was Cherokee territory, and the treaties for the land were conducted at a pitch tree (one with sap exuding). From Peachtree Street to Atlanta Peach to Georgia Peach to Peach State, all on a game of telephone. <shrug> We still need a GFDL photo of the thing, though. Surely someone is driving past it with a camera every day, and one will post a photo? Geogre 23:23, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and as for the big butt, that's because peaches themselves have had that association for a long time. See Eat a Peach. Geogre 23:24, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Images

For a long time, a really substandard photo sat in there that was shot through a car window with an Instamatic camera decades ago. The reason for it, though, was to show all the development on the stretch of I-85 by the Peachoid (i.e. the effects of building a folly on the local economy). I won't mourn losing the poor quality photo, but we need one from across I-85 N showing the context so that readers can understand how the Peachoid is visible to travelers. Geogre 09:58, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Makes sense. I was just going for a ground-level high-rez photo when I took that one yesterday. I made sure to get the telephone poles and power lines in front of it to give a sense of scale. I drive through that area at least once a month on business trips, so I'll try to get one that includes the interstate and some of the nearby businesses on my next pass. 'Card 13:45, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

That would be a godsend! I have wanted, ever since I wrote the first word of this article, to emphasize that this is a folly that worked. Most of the roadside attractions fail to do much for their towns, but the Peachoid started out as a single finger aimed at Atlanta and slowly began gathering service industries. I know that Charlotte's growth probably did more to boost Gaffney than anything, but still... that hideous thing has been turning heads for decades now. I noticed, in the new photo, the power lines, and I almost didn't re-insert the trashy context image from before, hoping that the lack of lines in the construction photo and presence in the new one could tell readers, "this area has grown so much that they need electricity for a lot of stores out there," but I thought it wasn't quite enough by itself. Thank you. Geogre 00:58, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Huh. Well, we may now have an embarrassment of riches. Still, better to have too many than too few. Geogre 10:37, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes. Well... I suppose there's something to be said for quantity, anyway. In a few weeks when I get the photo I mentioned in the earlier post (with highway and local businesses included) I may add a gallery to the page and put some of the new additions in there - if no one has any objections. 'Card 14:28, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I doubt anyone will. The feature of this feature is its folly, so visuals are more germane than any number of words. The other thing, and this is something that the Gaffney folks could answer (and probably won't) is whether the Peachoid or Charlotte is responsible for the increase in commerce in the area. It would be telling, really, to see whether the place is getting more residential or agricultural revenues, as that might hint at the answer. Big weird features can make business...maybe. Geogre 23:11, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Number of images, and which

There are probably too many photos, yes. The purpose of the article, more or less, is to document and explain a very noticeable and mysterious roadside sight. The Peachoid itself is a visual that prompts interest in the text, so, if there were ever going to be a visually overbalanced article, this would be it. However, what we really need is a clear overview, and a "before and after" of what has happened to the site. Most of the time, curiosity and folly architecture does not result in building up a community, and I'm sure it isn't the Peachoid alone that has done it for Gaffney, but the kind of development that has occurred suggests that the Peachoid, like South of the Border on I-95, is becoming a "oh, let's stop here" magnet.

So, we can get to before & after and clear overviews, or we can institute a "Gallery" (which makes sense to me). I reverted to prior to the image cuts because of which images got cut and how severely and without any concession for giving multiple views. Geogre 11:14, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

• You're giving way too much "mystery" to a water tower shaped like a peach. That's all it is. Done and said. Celebrities typically get one to two photos on their page, no more. What makes a giant peach-shaped water tower more special? One to two photos is what the page deserves, no more. We can open this up to wider comment, but 7 photos of a peach-shaped water tower is just ridiculous. I don't care if you want to choose the photographs that go on the page, but it doesn't merit more than that. this page doesn't deserve a gallery either. They are all the same photo. In detracts from the page to junk it up with every possible viewpoint of the same peach-shaped water tower. See WP:Images. --David Shankbone 11:42, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, that's certainly the voice of reason. Let's be real. Yes, indeed. So nice of you to engage in dialog. Geogre 12:24, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

• You're being unreasonable and giving undue weight to one piece of Novelty architecture - you keep reverting back to the original junked-up page that shows the same thing in image after image. You haven't provided any reasoning as to why seven photographs of the same thing should be smattered across the page, or even why a gallery is merited. Multiple photos look junky, give WP:Undue weight to the architectural curiosity just because the locals had the desire to not create a boring water tower, but one shaped like a peach. --David Shankbone 12:41, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Please stop reverting each other and discuss which images should appear in the article. I have cut them down to five, and put one in the lead and four in a gallery, but perhaps you should discuss whether I have chosen the right ones. Here they all are:

• The Peachoid soon after construction. The water tower has resulted in a great deal of commercial development (compare to above image). The Peachoid soon after construction. The water tower has resulted in a great deal of commercial development (compare to above image).
• The Peachoid water tower in Gaffney, South Carolina. The Peachoid water tower in Gaffney, South Carolina.
• The Peachoid seen from northbound I-85. The Peachoid seen from northbound I-85.
• The Peachoid. The Peachoid.
• The Peachoid as viewed from nearby Fatz Cafe's parking lot The Peachoid as viewed from nearby Fatz Cafe's parking lot
• The Peachoid at night from Fatz Cafe's parking lot The Peachoid at night from Fatz Cafe's parking lot
• The Peachoid at dusk. The Peachoid at dusk.
• Closeup of the Peachoid. Closeup of the Peachoid.

-- ALoan (Talk) 23:47, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Request for comment

Should this particular link to a deleted image be kept in the article or deleted?

Don't you think that it's best to start by asking here without an RFC? Has no one even thought of that. Utgard Loki 19:43, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

• No, of course not. It looks bizarre. I'm surprised it's even a question. What would be the reasoning to keep a red-link to a deleted image? As a memorial? --David Shankbone 19:46, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

It looks bizarre? How about a randomly chosen picture from the gallery that looks bizarre? Could you suppose, even for a second, that someone like me might have a good reason? No? Not at all? I mean, I did write the damned thing, so one might assume I have some interest in making it look good. Just because you don't understand does not mean there is not a reason, and when you actually ask me I might even tell you what it is. If you try this childishness and presumption, though, don't expect graciousness. Ask Angr. He's full of grace and politeness, and he has managed to get my highest estimation of his judgment, intelligence, and communication skills for it. Geogre 20:35, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

• I have removed the RFC template (what is it with you people and templates?), as it is entirely out of process to launch an RFC without trying to discuss matters first. Geogre 20:35, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Should lazy people replace a meaningful image with a random one because they can't understand?

I say no.

I will not tolerate anymore "debate by edit summary, either." If you want to change the article, talk about it here.... Not by being imperious at my talk page, not by edit warring, not by being an ass in technicolor.

Would any of you churlish people even think about asking me why I revert? No? Then you are all but vandalizing an article. Are any of you going to find out my reasons? No? Then you are edit warring. If you cannot bother to discuss, then you cannot have your way. Geogre 20:31, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

• Geogre, I think you need to read WP:OWN. --David Shankbone 20:33, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

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