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| The following, in deceasing order of desirability, would be considered a |
'''The following, in deceasing order of desirability, would be considered a success.''' | ||
| '''1.Schulz and Rubenstein realize the inaceptability of their behavior, stops it, apologizes, and engages in a constructive dialogue.''' | |||
| '''2. Schulz and Rubenstein realize the inaceptability of their behavior, stops it, and engages in a constructive dialogue.''' | |||
| '''3. Schulz and Rubenstein realize the inaceptability of their behavior, stops it, and stops editing the article in question.''' | |||
| '''4. Schulz and Rubenstein are banned from editing the article and stop their permanent violation of various Misplaced Pages policies, especially their personal attacks.''' | |||
| '''5. Schulz and Rubenstein are banned from editing Misplaced Pages.''' | |||
| # ] realizes the inaceptability of his behavior, stops it, apologizes, and engages in a constructive dialogue. | # ] realizes the inaceptability of his behavior, stops it, apologizes, and engages in a constructive dialogue. | ||
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Statement of the dispute
anti-Semitic disruptive behavior Slrubenstein | Talk 15:59, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Desired outcome
The following, in deceasing order of desirability, would be considered a success.
1.Schulz and Rubenstein realize the inaceptability of their behavior, stops it, apologizes, and engages in a constructive dialogue.
2. Schulz and Rubenstein realize the inaceptability of their behavior, stops it, and engages in a constructive dialogue.
3. Schulz and Rubenstein realize the inaceptability of their behavior, stops it, and stops editing the article in question.
4. Schulz and Rubenstein are banned from editing the article and stop their permanent violation of various Misplaced Pages policies, especially their personal attacks.
5. Schulz and Rubenstein are banned from editing Misplaced Pages.
- User: Salom Khalitun realizes the inaceptability of his behavior, stops it, apologizes, and engages in a constructive dialogue.
- He realizes the inaceptability of his behavior, stops it, and engages in a constructive dialogue.
- He ] realizes the inaceptability of his behavior, stops it, and stops editing the article in question.
- The user is banned from editing the article and stops his permanent violation of various Misplaced Pages policies, especially his personal andd anti-semitic attacks.
- User: Salom Khalitun is banned from editing Misplaced Pages.
Description
User:Salom Khalitun has engaged in a debate about the scope of the term "Holocaust" on The Holocaust, Talk:The Holocaust, and, by now, User Talk:Salom Khalitun. During the course of the debate he has repeatedly suggested that all opposing voices, whether by outside reliable sources or by other Misplaced Pages editors, are dishonest, "racists", and motivated by that sources "Jewishness".
Apart from the fact that these claims are classical ad-hominem attacks, they are in several cases factually wrong and always unsourced. They show a failure to assume good faith and constitute personal attacks and demonstrate a depressing level of anti-semitism.
Rubenstein has already been personally very abusive and offensive. He has no shame. :
"you....are a racist anti-Semite. But as you are a racist you are probably incapable of logical thought. At this point I see no reason to continue responding to a blatant anti-semite. The discussion is over." Slrubenstein | Talk 18:21, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Even though most of my friends are Jewish !!! --Salom Khalitun 15:58, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
This is just one example of this user's anti-Semitic rants. Superficially, the issue is the origina of the use of the word "Holocaust" to refer to Nazi attrocities. As the article makes clear, the use of the phrase "the Holocaust" was initially used as a translation of the Hebrew shoah to refer specifically to the Nazi's genocidal war against the Jews (I offered additional sources). The article also notes that the phrase has been expanded to refer to other nazi attrocities. But this user's real issue is that Jews do not care about the suffering of others, and that there is a conspiracy of Jewish scholars and editors to deny the suffering of others. As this is really irrelevant to the question of usage of one word, it is minimally disruptive behavior - but anti-Semitic distruptive behavior on the Holocaust talk page is especially offensive. I consider it a personal attack. Slrubenstein | Talk 15:46, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Stephen Schulz has been remarkably rude - asking me about my sex life and accusing me of beating my wife - evn though I'm not married :
"When, where, and with whom did you have sex the last time? Be specific! And, by the way, have you stopped beating your wife yet? --Stephan Schulz 14:29, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
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"The persons complaining must provide evidence of their efforts" - The complainant Rubenstein has made no efforts. All he has done is be remarkably abusive. The request for comment is therefore flawed even on procedural grounds alone. --Salom Khalitun 16:22, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
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Rubenstein has already been personally very abusive and offensive. He has no shame. :*you....are a racist anti-Semite. But as you are a racist you are probably incapable of logical thought. At this point I see no reason to continue responding to a blatant anti-semite. The discussion is over. Slrubenstein | Talk 18:21, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Most of my friends are Jewish !!! --Salom Khalitun 15:58, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
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