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ASALA

Hi, welcome to Misplaced Pages. Please consider joining WikiProject Armenia. I reverted your edit on ASALA article, because ASALA stoped operating in 1986. Any attacks claimed after that are unverifiable and can not be included in the article. --VartanM 18:15, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

-OK. but why you deleted all other changes too?

Barev; Du inch gidas Urartu mesen?. --Vonones 00:00, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Lol Vonones, Դու ինչ գիտես Ուրարտուի մասին? VartanM 02:42, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

A lot of:) Shat aghbyurner unem haykakan Urartui yev hay patmakan urish khntirneri veraberyal. Urartui masin karogh em ruseren medz nyut ugharkel (author is me), kam el karogh em portsel angleren targmanel. Yete konkret hartsum dzez aghbyurner en petk (sources), indz grek, kportsem ognel. Best wishes, User:Andranikpasha 11:22, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Lav ah aper, email unes? --Vonones 08:15, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Unem ahper! Seghmir "E-mail this user".--User:Andranikpasha 14:25, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Chi agnmem asumeh. "This user has not specified a valid e-mail address, or has chosen not to receive e-mail from other users." --Vonones 10:40, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Pls try again. "E-mail this user"-n arten ashkhatum e..--User:Andranikpasha 23:02, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Not yet, you have to put your email, than check " Enable e-mail from other users" on the bottom. --Vonones 12:39, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

kneres ahper arden ughghetsi. Yete eli chi srtacvi, imats tur, e-mails estegh kgrem!Andranikpasha 15:04, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Agev :) --Vonones 15:47, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

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No problem!

Anytime. Btw I think we should move Medzn Mourad to Hampartsoum Boyadjian since that is his real name and it is quite commonly used. - Fedayee 23:56, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Youre right! I also think about it. In Armenian Medzn Mourad form is very popular but in English "Hampartsum Poyajian" is commonly used. So Ill change it! Thanks again!: Andranikpasha 12:46, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

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Welcome 2

Great job so far, Andranikpasha, but please be careful with quotations, it might be better to rephrase them in many situations. Also, I personally dislike seeing blockquotes, possibly b/c of abusive usage of them here on Misplaced Pages, especially on the 'shaky ground' articles. I would appreciate it very much, if you could avoid them, when possible, and when it does not add much beauty. Misplaced Pages does not take a stance, and it is hard to not impose anything on the reader with blockquoting. Thanks. Deniz_C 21:49, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I saw it:) But anyways somtimes its better to represent what the sources are asking and this practics is commonly used in Wiki. For example "The Time" is one of the most famous and respected journals in the world and it is interesting what they are writing about the topic (especially if it happens very rarely as in the case of ASALA). Andranikpasha 22:22, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Khojaly Massacre

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content which gains a consensus among editors. . Grandmaster 10:54, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Am I the iniciator? I have no any other purposes except that Im just tring to make that article more neutral- as I represented in the talk page that some of the text links are not reliable sources... so why you dont answer to my questions at the talk page? I hope its the better way to solve whats the better variant. Andranikpasha 11:29, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Pardon? - Francis Tyers · 17:10, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Parishan

I don't need to provide sources that Azeris and Azerbaijani/Transcaucasian Tatars refer to the same ethnic group. This issue is very well covered in the Azerbaijani people article.

Also, the word Turkish, which exists in the English language, does not mean Azeri. Parishan 08:39, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

As I asked I dont see a big problem to change it but better if with source asking Azeris lived in Shushi (about the name of Shushi see the references, for example- Kalli Raptis) in 1920 as in that time Azerbaijanis was a new official name and we had to be more careful. By the way, we can discuss it in the article's talk page to be available for other users too.Andranikpasha 08:58, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

The usage of a new ethnonym does not mean the creation of a new ethnic group. Inuits are not a newly-born ethnic group just because until the 1970s they were referred to as Eskimo.

I was talking about official terminology used in documents, maps, etc. published at the time. In that term, you won't find a single reference to the city as Shushi. Parishan 09:11, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

see the article's talk page! Andranikpasha 09:17, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Please stop removing the tags from the article. I know you have references, but read the tag: the references don't mean that it must be removed. Parishan 10:29, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

see the articles talk page! provide more that 6 references (as I represented+ other quotations) asking Shusha Massacres or anything else and then add the tags, ok? Andranikpasha 10:35, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I alone provided 3 sources, where the Shusha events were classified as an Armenian rebellion put down by Azerbaijani forces. That is substantial enough for the neutrality tags to be there. Parishan 10:48, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

2 of them are not reliable- de Vaal (not neutral) and Hrono (whats this, a personal web-page, I can show you other such "sources"???). Pls lets discuss it in the articles talk page!!!!!Andranikpasha 10:56, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Reverts

Hi! Id like to note the last reverts of user Francis Tyers here and here. It seems to be an edit war without any serious explanations. Please could you have a look at that reverts? Thanks in advance! Andranikpasha 21:35, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, how're you going?

I've had a look- I think all that can be done under the circumstances has been done. At the moment, the article is protected, which is what I would have done- so that all arguments can be discussed on the talk page.

Cheers- CattleGirl 09:41, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! The only thing I suggest is to protect it in more neutral (I mean - no-partisan!) variant not in the variant which was criticized more than others! Just one example- they write in description "large number". How we can describe it? Is 300 a large number, is 600 or 6.000000. Its seems to be a very tragic pseudo-mathematics... Andranikpasha 09:49, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

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so lovely

Ah Andranikpasha, ah. When you are on the verge of violating 3RR, when you are making an edit war (assuming I am edit warring, I wouldn't be doing it alone), when you are possibly the only one who openly is of your opinion on the subject, instead of stooping to think why this is the case, you just warn me with that message. Thanks, very selfless deed, indeed. By the way, you reverted three times, assuming that the anon is not you. If that anon is you, you will have broken WP:3RR, and that anon can be considered a sockpuppet of yours. Not a good thing to do. You are already asked to be checked for being a sockpuppet of a (former) featured editor somewhere. Deniz_C 13:13, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

By the way, it is not unlikely that our reverter anon, User talk:69.77.169.2, is similar to User Talk:209.172.44.212, in several ways, one of them being an anonymous proxy. Deniz_C 13:17, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

The result is: "Andranikpasha contacted me in an email, and after looking through the edit histories, I've come to the conclusion that he is a good-faith editor, and I will assume with good faith that he is not a sock-puppet. While he and the confirmed sock-puppet Artaxiad have edited similar subjects, I see no "tag team" editing, nor shared POV. In fact, Andranikpasha seems to make very little additions to the text (therefore not inserting POV), instead finding sources and improving formatting. Also, his "mainspace" (article) edits go right up until today, where Artaxiad's stop abruptly on April 9. In conclusion, I have crossed Andranikpasha off the list as it is very clear that we have a case of mistaken identity." Andranikpasha 13:13, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2

Please remember the remedies in the above arbitration case - if you continue to edit war on any pages, you will be blocked from editing. Ryan Postlethwaite 10:19, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info but I cant understand have I rights to revert the unrelated information from the arrticle or no? For example my reverts for today. A user added previously discussed source related to Albania and Arcakh to prove something related to ...Arran and Karabakh. What must I do for a better way? PS - I didnt remember if even I deleted any relevant reliable information from an article. Is there such a fact??...Andranikpasha 10:26, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

What you need to do is not revert war, however much you believe something is wrong, just walk away from it. The articles you are involved in editing cause massive conflicts, hence the two arbitration cases. The latest one gives any administrator the right to block a user causing disruption in these articles post a warning, that's what the above warning is serving as. Please, just move onto something else. Ryan Postlethwaite 10:30, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Im interested in the history of Armenia, why Ill pass to edit articles about anything else. Is the user Grandmaster or Baku87 have more rights to edit them even if they broke the Wiki rules. If they think their sources are relevant why to not ask for arbitration? Andranikpasha 10:38, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

No-one has anymore rights than anyone else - everyone is equal. The arbitration committee have been asked previously and this is the resolution - either everyone gots on with it constructively or they get blocked. Ryan Postlethwaite 10:41, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

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So pls show me even one unconstructively revert for me to understand where I was guilty. I read Grandmasters words that I edit the articles "in an aggressive point of view manner marked by incivility on revert parole and other limitations, established by the arbcom."! He added me to sockpuppets check-list and when he didnt succeed, now he wrote things without facts. I need even one fact of "an aggressive point of view manner marked by incivility on revert parole and other limitations, established by the arbcom.", if its true! If it is true ok block me, if no- Id prefer to hear a sorry from he! Andranikpasha 10:53, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

You're agressively edit warring without discussion, that's why you have been placed on the list. Ryan Postlethwaite 10:58, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

OK! A simple fact of an aggressive revert without discussion please!Andranikpasha 11:07, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

You know what an edit war is, any more of it will result in a block. Ryan Postlethwaite 11:11, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

So is there a fact or no? im always keep the rules and Im correct so I dont see a reason to call my activity an editwar.Andranikpasha 11:18, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

? And are there a rule asking if even I didnt make any aggressive revert without discussion and didnt pass 3RR anyways my activities can be call an edit war?Andranikpasha 12:14, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Reply to email

Thanks for your email. I am aware that there are many senior editors trying to find solutions to the ongoing problems with edits in the areas you are active. I have no background knowledge of the area, and it would probably not help if I were to try and get involved.-gadfium 21:57, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I see that you've been indefinitely blocked. If you wish to appeal against this, add {{unblock|reason why you should be unblocked}} to this talk page.-gadfium 04:42, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

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your images

Andranikpasha, I checked your images, they seem to be wrongly tagged. Also, as far as I know, we cannot have images that are even free for non-commercial use. I don't think we should be able to keep the ones that are free for say informational use. The following are the images uploaded by you:

Image:AndranikOzanian.jpg (instead of saying that it is also published on your geocities site, you should tell us where you got that photo. I don't think you were alive, at least not old enough to attend that event and take a photo in 1921)
Image:Arme80.jpg (Armen Grigoryan is a living person, a singer, so we should be able to find a free alternative)
Image:Asalagerb.jpg (it should be fine being a logo, but it is orphaned now, will be deleted if it stays so)
Image:Aznavour.jpg‎ (wrong tag again, and for informational use only. We should be able to find a free alternative)
Image:AznavourArm.jpg (same as above)
Image:Hovhshiraz.jpg (for informational and educational use only)
Image:Hunch20.jpg (can you prove that it is published before 1923?)
Image:Hunchak20.jpg (same as above)
Image:Knarazn.jpg‎ (wrong tag, aznavour was born in 1924, he seems to be about five years old in that picture, it is definitely not before 1923)
Image:Sedahoka.gif‎ (this one should be fine)
Image:Shu1930.jpg (wrong tag, the photo is from 30's, not before 1923, most likely not free)
Image:Shushimassacre.jpg (for informational purpose)

Deniz_C 20:34, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

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That image is from 1887, so it almost certainly is in the public domain. El_C 04:07, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Mentorship in effect

Hi. With the consent of the blocking admin you are hereby unblocked, subject to mentorship. All prior restrictions remain in effect. Best of luck. El_C 04:07, 17 September 2007 (UTC)