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:::::::::Yes, we know where MaplePorter claims to have obtained the image. The question on the floor is how was that image found? MaplePorter has already given conflicting answers. Unless a more plausible explanation is given then I think it's likeliest that it was obtained from HK, and that MaplePorter is HK. ]] ] 19:21, 24 September 2007 (UTC) | :::::::::Yes, we know where MaplePorter claims to have obtained the image. The question on the floor is how was that image found? MaplePorter has already given conflicting answers. Unless a more plausible explanation is given then I think it's likeliest that it was obtained from HK, and that MaplePorter is HK. ]] ] 19:21, 24 September 2007 (UTC) | ||
::::::::::There are substantial holes in your theory. Is there any evidence that HK is connected in some way to Biocrawler? Did he put the image there himself? If not, how would he have any particular insider knowledge of how to find it there? As far as Maple giving conflicting answers, she says that she got the image from her boyfriend, and that she thought it was scanned, but then learned that it came off the web. Assuming good faith, the initial report that it was scanned could be an honest mistake, as she says it was. I don't see any other inconsistencies in her story. And I still wonder whether you, who have quarrelled with her continually over article content, are entirely objective and impartial in this matter. --] 20:37, 24 September 2007 (UTC) | ::::::::::There are substantial holes in your theory. Is there any evidence that HK is connected in some way to Biocrawler? Did he put the image there himself? If not, how would he have any particular insider knowledge of how to find it there? As far as Maple giving conflicting answers, she says that she got the image from her boyfriend, and that she thought it was scanned, but then learned that it came off the web. Assuming good faith, the initial report that it was scanned could be an honest mistake, as she says it was. I don't see any other inconsistencies in her story. And I still wonder whether you, who have quarrelled with her continually over article content, are entirely objective and impartial in this matter. --] 20:37, 24 September 2007 (UTC) | ||
::::::::::::I never claimed to be impartial. Nor have you. MP repeatedly assured me that the image had been scanned. When confronted with the impossbility of that assertion she came up with an incomplete second explanation. She refuses to make any further statement clarifying how she obtained this image that was originally uploaded by HK. Rather than you and I debating each other, I'd like to hear from MaplePorter and from uninvolved editors. HK has used sock puppets many times before and maintains a steady interest in Misplaced Pages. Flouting ArbCom bans disrupts Misplaced Pages. ]] ] 20:49, 24 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
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User:Andranikpasha
In accordance with the ruling of Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2 Andranikpasha (talk · contribs) was placed by an admin on a revert parole limiting him to 1 rv per page per week, and was required to discuss any content reversions on the page's talk page: However, Andranikpasha reverted the article about Caroline Cox without any justification on the talk page whatsoever. This is not in line with the requirements of his parole. --Grandmaster 09:24, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- I placed a warning on his talkpage. He didn't violate the 1RR and just forgot to add the justification. Please AGF and give him time to adjust. VartanM 16:12, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
User:TigranTheGreat
TigranTheGreat (talk · contribs) has been placed on a revert parole by the Arbitration Committee. The final decision in his case is here: Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan#TigranTheGreat_placed_on_revert_parole.
TigranTheGreat was placed on revert parole and limited to one revert per page per week. Further, he is required to discuss any content reversions on the page's talk page.
However, on Shushi Massacres TigranTheGreat made 2 rvs within just 1 day. First he reverted the text of the article: , and then he reverted the page move: . This constitutes a clear violation of his parole.
Reported by: Grandmaster 04:53, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- There is no violation here. Consecutive reverts are treated as one single revert. -- tariqabjotu 05:48, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- I.e. if one makes 2 or more rvs one after another, it is considered just 1 rv? Grandmaster 05:56, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- Yes; this is in WP:3RR. -- tariqabjotu 06:01, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
The reason there were 2 reverts is a technical one. I assumed that by reverting to a version prior to Grandmaster's unilateral move of the page, the page would be automatically moved back. Since it wasn't, I had to move it manually. Please note that Grandmaster made major unilateral changes to the article without any consensus, essentially watering down an article about an important tragic event.--TigranTheGreat 21:26, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
user:MaplePorter
Herschelkrustofsky (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (HK) was involved in three ArbCom cases. In the course of them he was discovered to be using sock puppets so expertly as to almost elude detection. One of the cases includes a ban enforcement provision that resultd in a one-year ban: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Lyndon LaRouche 2#Ban enforcement. Since then the ban has been reset twice due to further sock activity. MaplePorter (talk · contribs) (MP) has edited with the same POV as HK. Recently, MP uploaded an image, claiming that it had been scanned by her boyfiend, who she claimed had never edited Misplaced Pages before. The photo, Image:DennisKing,ChipBerlet.jpg, is an identical copy, pixel-for-pixel, as a photo uploaded by HK three years ago, Image:King berlet.jpg. It is techically impossible for a scanned photo to exactly match another scan done on a different scanner years apart. The image is not readily available on the web, but MP does not claim she obtained it there anyway. The logical conclusion is that MP has lied about how she obtained the photo, and the likeliest reason is that MP is actually a sockpuppet of HK. I request that the MP account be banned as a sockpuppet and that the ban on HK be reset. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 21:37, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
- If MP and HK were the same person, why would MaplePorter be uploading that image again? I don't even understand why MP would lie about the source of the image... there's another one available so why does it matter? -- tariqabjotu 21:45, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
- The image uploaded by HK had been deleted long ago. I restored it for the purpose of this comparison. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 22:10, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
- I received this image as an attachment to an email from a friend of mine. I had the impression that this person had aquired the image by scanning. However, I have now spoken on the phone with this person, and he informed me that he was unable to get a satisfactory result by scanning, so he used an image that he found on the web at this location: http://www.biocrawler.com/w/images/8/89/King_berlet.jpg. I hope this solves one mystery. The other, unsolved mystery is why is this such a big deal to Will Beback? There are many real problems at Misplaced Pages that could use attention by an administrator. --MaplePorter 23:43, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
- I am also puzzled about how Will's "logical conclusion" that I was lying is consistant with WP:AGF. --MaplePorter 23:46, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
- The image first appeared in a LaRouchite publication which was copyrighted. All other sources are stolen from this copyrighted publication, unless the original LaRouchite photographer wants to come forward and release it into the public domain, which itself is dubious, because it probably was a work for hire. The only reason it was reposted was to continue a campaign of cyberstalking.--Cberlet 23:49, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
- As I understand it, images used under Fair Use are typically copyrighted, but not considered "stolen." And featuring photographs of notable individuals on Misplaced Pages is not typically considered "cyberstalking." --MaplePorter 23:56, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
- It appears plausible that the image was scraped by biocrawler.com before it was deleted. They have boatloads of scraped images at http://www.biocrawler.com/w/images/. Thatcher131 00:26, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- Considering that MaplePorter volunteered that it was scanned, responded when requested that it was scanned, and then specifically said it was scanned by her boyfriend, I find it remarkable that she suddenly changes her story when confronted. I did a long search on Google Images to see if I could find the image on the web, but to no avail. How ddid MaplePorter's friend find the image? What links to it? I am still dubious. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 01:18, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- I think it is obvious that MaplePorter is either a sockpuppet for HK, or in violation of the intent of the arbcom ruling on editing LaRouche-related pages, or both. At what point is it not obvious that the primary role of MaplePorter is to delete material critical of LaRouche and add material favorable to LaRouche in the same manner as previous editors banned from editing? Just look at the contributions page.--Cberlet 02:15, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- Would you be so kind as to cite the arbcom ruling that you think Maple is violating? My read is that it says references to LaRouche should not be added to articles where they are inappropriate. Are you talking about something different? Please specify. --Marvin Diode 14:24, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- I think it is obvious that MaplePorter is either a sockpuppet for HK, or in violation of the intent of the arbcom ruling on editing LaRouche-related pages, or both. At what point is it not obvious that the primary role of MaplePorter is to delete material critical of LaRouche and add material favorable to LaRouche in the same manner as previous editors banned from editing? Just look at the contributions page.--Cberlet 02:15, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- The accusation is that Maple is acting as a sockpuppet or proxy editor for Herschelkrustofsky, which would be grounds for blocking or banning. Thatcher131 14:46, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- Well... Cberlet said that "it is obvious that MaplePorter is either a sockpuppet for HK, or in violation of the intent of the arbcom ruling on editing LaRouche-related pages, or both." My question concerns what is meant by "the intent of the arbcom ruling" in the event that it is not the same as "Maple acting as a sockpuppet or proxy editor." --Marvin Diode 23:39, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- The accusation is that Maple is acting as a sockpuppet or proxy editor for Herschelkrustofsky, which would be grounds for blocking or banning. Thatcher131 14:46, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- I'm with Will on this one. The series of events according to Maple are difficult to believe. Additionally, Maple's statement regarding "the other, unsolved mystery" and the small comment following that seem to me to be pleas to divert attention away from anything that may be uncovered upon further scrutiny of him. -- tariqabjotu 05:54, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- No, it simply means that I have been involved in numerous content disputes with Will Beback (who has edited with the same POV as Cberlet) and I think that he is engaging in a bit of harassment to intimidate me. --MaplePorter 20:49, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- Can you clarify the situation by giving us the link through which the biocrawler image was found? ·:· Will Beback ·:· 21:05, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- No, it simply means that I have been involved in numerous content disputes with Will Beback (who has edited with the same POV as Cberlet) and I think that he is engaging in a bit of harassment to intimidate me. --MaplePorter 20:49, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- The likely explanation is that MaplePorter is a puppet of Herschelkrustofsky. Tom Harrison 21:07, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- So what's our conclusion here? I see MaplPorter hasn't asnwered questions about how this obscure image was found. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 03:50, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
- She provided a web address that checks out. What policy is being violated here? --Marvin Diode 05:59, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
- The accusation is sock puppetry to avoid a ban. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 06:25, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
- And how does the fact that she, or her boyfriend, was able to find an image on Biocrawler support this theory? --Marvin Diode 13:44, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
- That's the current claim. In order to prove it I've asked MaplePorter repeatedly to clarify how the image was found. Apparently MaplePorter refuses to substantiate her story. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 23:30, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
- Have you checked to see whether the image at http://www.biocrawler.com/w/images/8/89/King_berlet.jpg matches the one she uploaded? Either it does or it doesn't. If it does, her story is credible. The fact that you have been involved in numerous content disputes with Maple is troubling, and you might want to consider recusing yourself (the same goes for Tom Harrison.) --Marvin Diode 00:28, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- That's the current claim. In order to prove it I've asked MaplePorter repeatedly to clarify how the image was found. Apparently MaplePorter refuses to substantiate her story. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 23:30, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
- And how does the fact that she, or her boyfriend, was able to find an image on Biocrawler support this theory? --Marvin Diode 13:44, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
- The accusation is sock puppetry to avoid a ban. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 06:25, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
- She provided a web address that checks out. What policy is being violated here? --Marvin Diode 05:59, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
- So what's our conclusion here? I see MaplPorter hasn't asnwered questions about how this obscure image was found. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 03:50, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, we know where MaplePorter claims to have obtained the image. The question on the floor is how was that image found? MaplePorter has already given conflicting answers. Unless a more plausible explanation is given then I think it's likeliest that it was obtained from HK, and that MaplePorter is HK. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 19:21, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- There are substantial holes in your theory. Is there any evidence that HK is connected in some way to Biocrawler? Did he put the image there himself? If not, how would he have any particular insider knowledge of how to find it there? As far as Maple giving conflicting answers, she says that she got the image from her boyfriend, and that she thought it was scanned, but then learned that it came off the web. Assuming good faith, the initial report that it was scanned could be an honest mistake, as she says it was. I don't see any other inconsistencies in her story. And I still wonder whether you, who have quarrelled with her continually over article content, are entirely objective and impartial in this matter. --Marvin Diode 20:37, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- I never claimed to be impartial. Nor have you. MP repeatedly assured me that the image had been scanned. When confronted with the impossbility of that assertion she came up with an incomplete second explanation. She refuses to make any further statement clarifying how she obtained this image that was originally uploaded by HK. Rather than you and I debating each other, I'd like to hear from MaplePorter and from uninvolved editors. HK has used sock puppets many times before and maintains a steady interest in Misplaced Pages. Flouting ArbCom bans disrupts Misplaced Pages. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 20:49, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- There are substantial holes in your theory. Is there any evidence that HK is connected in some way to Biocrawler? Did he put the image there himself? If not, how would he have any particular insider knowledge of how to find it there? As far as Maple giving conflicting answers, she says that she got the image from her boyfriend, and that she thought it was scanned, but then learned that it came off the web. Assuming good faith, the initial report that it was scanned could be an honest mistake, as she says it was. I don't see any other inconsistencies in her story. And I still wonder whether you, who have quarrelled with her continually over article content, are entirely objective and impartial in this matter. --Marvin Diode 20:37, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, we know where MaplePorter claims to have obtained the image. The question on the floor is how was that image found? MaplePorter has already given conflicting answers. Unless a more plausible explanation is given then I think it's likeliest that it was obtained from HK, and that MaplePorter is HK. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 19:21, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
User:Hajji Piruz
User:Hajji Piruz is placed under parole under the first decision by ArbCom , and further placed under supervised editing per the second decision - ,
In the last 2 days, User:Hajji Piruz, extending his edit wars to literature templates, deleted twice the content from the Template:Literature of Azerbaijan:
According to WP:3RR, revert is: A revert, in this context, means undoing, in whole or in part, the actions of another editor or of other editors. This can include undoing edits to a page, deleting content or restoring deleted content, undoing page moves (sometimes called "move warring"), undoing administrative actions (sometimes called "wheel warring"), or recreating a page . . Thanks. Atabek 16:13, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
- Blocked for 48 hours and banned from the template for six months. Moreschi 16:38, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
User:Anynobody
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
- This board is used to report violations of remedies (topic bans, probation, etc.) imposed in prior Arbitration cases. I'm sorry, but this is not the right forum for your problem. Thatcher131 13:02, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
This is a good faith WP:IAR post. I am not allowed to discuss these issues in my editor review or anywhere else so I have no place else to post this.
If you take a moment to review my block logs, Anynobody (talk · contribs · logs) and Anyeverybody (talk · contribs · logs), you'll see I make every effort to follow Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines. So far I thought I was doing pretty good, until it was made clear I've made several violations of WP:HARASS without realizing it.
I'd like to prevent any more violations of WP:HARASS by finding out from somebody besides User:Bishonen. Mind you I'm not saying Bishonen's evidence can't be cited, it's just that I'd like to hear from someone who can elaborate a bit more than she is willing to.
Anynobody has since at least March 2007 complained to and of Justanother with great frequency and persistence, and sometimes without relevance to mainspace editing, on WP:ANI, a variety of user talkpages, WP:RFA, and other fora, some of them clearly not intended for such use.
- Given my actual opinion, if it was inappropriate to discuss on an RFA, do I say I can't answer and why? It seems you filed an RFC at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Justanother (now deleted). What was this about?
- Where else besides WP:ER can I go for outside feedback on my editing and evaluation of the rules? (this is the ...other fora... mentioned I presume).
- Some of the WP:ANI posts I realize in retrospect should have gone to WP:WQA. Which ones were inappropriate?
- Harassment is defined as a pattern of offensive behavior that appears to a reasonable observer to have the purpose of adversely affecting a targeted person or persons, usually (but not always) for the purpose of threatening or intimidating the primary target.
1. Wikistalking 2. Targeted personal attacks 3. Threats 4. User space harassment 5. Blockable disruption not defined above 6. Concentrating negative attention on one or a few other users 7. Off-wiki harassment 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7.
Folks, I just want to know where/how I screwed up from someone I'm not in a contentious debate about policies and so forth with. Please assume good faith and help me understand what went wrong. Anynobody 05:12, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
- This post is part of a long term pattern of disruptive editing, and I would support any admin who issues a block. We've gone over these issues ad nauseum and the user just doesn't get it. We've recommended mentorship as a way to get questions answered. Instead, the user bounces from forum to forum asking the same questions over and over and over and over, which is disruption by pestering. Anynobody is mentioning Justanother again, which is a violation of the arbitration remedies published yesterday. - Jehochman 12:54, 24 September 2007 (UTC)