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When linking a Misplaced Pages page to a Commons category, "Commonscat" will link directly to a category of the same name as the page, and a category of a different name can be just piped to the template, instead of having to give the category name, and another name to display.

You might find it useful. Goldfritha 04:39, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the useful tip! --Appletrees 04:42, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

깍두기

Hi, Misplaced Pages needs an article on 깍두기. Would you like to make it? Badagnani 23:03, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Sure, why not? I'll do it in the near future. :) --Appletrees 23:09, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I can't figure out if it should be with a Kk or a Gg. Badagnani 23:15, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I think it should be with Kk. It is hard for both Korean and others to fit the korean language into the alphabet . --Appletrees 23:25, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi!

Hey Appletrees! I saw your edits on Gimbap. Do you want to join WikiProject Korea? We need more editors! (Wikimachine 05:05, 10 February 2007 (UTC))

Images

Hi Appletrees. It's very important that editors are able to explain their contributions. The images were removed from Namdaemun Market because Misplaced Pages is not a repository of images - for various technical and content reasons, only images which are required to show the appearance and context of a place, person or object are necessary. While an article on, say, a major city may legitimately hold many images, a small market does not require a large gallery. Please do not simply revert or undo explained changes without explanation, this is considered edit warring and can lead to accusations of bad faith in your part. Thanks, Deiz talk 01:53, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Greetings from WikiProject Korea!

Thank you for your recent contributions to one of Misplaced Pages's Korea-related articles. Given the interest you've expressed by your edits, have you considered joining WikiProject Korea? It's a group dedicated to improving the overall quality of all Korea-related articles. If you would like to join, simply add your name to the list of participants.

If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask at the project talk page. We look forward to working with you in the future! Wikimachine 01:57, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Invitation to join WikiProject Korea

Hi, if you'd like to work collaboratively on Korea-related articles, you can add your name at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Korea/Participants. Badagnani 18:25, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

칼국수

If 칼국수 doesn't have hanja, what is the etymology/origin/root words of "칼" and "국수"? If you have access to a really great, huge, thick Korean dictionary that gives all these explanations, that would be very valuable. Badagnani 01:07, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

칼국수 literally means "knife-cut noodles" like 막국수 (Mak + guksu means a roughly made noodles).

The origin of how the dish has been called is introduced in the referred links that I added. 칼 means knife and guksu is noodles. If Kalguksu has hanja, it would be call 도면(刀麵, Doe myeon), but doen't have any. Not every Korean food has hanja, but some food from China has like Jajangmyeon and Korean royal court dishes. Sorry for my short English. That's why I mind adding my name into the list of the editors for Korean-related articles. --Appletrees 01:45, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I can understand you fine. Can you add all this info into the articles about these noodles? Badagnani 02:31, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Did you mean you want me to fill up the article, Korean noodles? If so, I could not promise on that. Because the reference sources that I have found over internet are not translated in English and my writing ability in English is very limited compared with reading English. Moreover, I've been more interested in searching and uploading suitable photos for Korean-related articles. It took a long time for me even to write this now. As you see the Kalguksu article, my words and grammar are not good.--Appletrees 04:19, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Korean noodles

I'm still interested in the etymology/origin/root words of "guksu." Do you have access to a very large, good Korean dictionary that gives the history of non-hanja Korean words? It seems that noodle technology originally came from China and I'm curious whether the root word(s) for "guksu," as a word not of Sinitic origin, had some literal meaning different from noodles before noodles were introduced to Korea. For example, like "strings" or "threads," or something like that. The Italian noodle names all have root meanings like this: "linguini" means "little tongues," "vermicelli" means "little worms," etc. Badagnani 02:34, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I found several sources after you mentioned it but those are not from a dictionary. And the articles are very hard to translate in English. I'll work it out in a future.--Appletrees 04:19, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Japchae

Japchae can be eaten cold too? Is that just as leftovers or is it cooked, then served at the table cold? Badagnani 02:57, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Nowadays, Japchae is eaten at anytime, anywhere, and any occasion, but has been still regarded as one of the feast food in Korea. Because Korean believe noodles bless for good fortune and longevity due to the length of the noodles, and the food looks very sumptuous at a tableway. However, cooking Japchae requires various ingredients and a troublesom labor. And to preventing it from turning bad or rotten in summer or afternoon party, Korean let Chapchae chilled slowly in the outside after cooking it. That is why I firstly categorized it into Noodle salad. I have had Japchae as a hot dish, but that occasion was just a few and served as "Japchae bap" like "Bulgogi dupbap". When I invited foreign friends, I prepared several food, and they preferred Japchae hot. --Appletrees 04:19, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Important Intangible Cultural Properties

Maybe you could help expand Important Intangible Cultural Properties. I can't figure out why they left out several numbers in the list (missing in all the official lists). Badagnani 19:03, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

well, the job seems to require profound knowledges of the field, so I wouldn't wonder why editors have not updated it for a while. Besides, I'm focusing to enhance contents by finding and filling up suitable images, not by writing something. My writing in English is poor, so you better find someone.--Appletrees 19:25, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Great work

Hi, do you live in Seoul? If so, could you somehow get a photo of the NCKTPA? Badagnani 17:58, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I hope so, but now have been far away from there and never been to the NCKTPA. By the way, before seeing the Korean name, I didn't know what institution you are saying. The naming sounds weird and too long even though the government of Korea decided to call it.--Appletrees 18:08, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, 국립국악원. Maybe the longer the name, the more prestigious. Badagnani 05:42, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Your recent edits

It seems from your recent edits that you are intent on pushing your anti-Japanese sentiments, while you are entitled to your own opinions, please be aware of http://en.wikipedia.org/Npov - thanks and have a nice daySennen goroshi 14:09, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

You know that the category of the anti-Japanese sentiments in Korean is existing prior and was created by Japanese. The category , anti-Japanese sentiment in Korea by myself is to intend to equofiy the viewpoint in the two sides. FYI, my sentiment toward Japanse is originated by the Japanses in English and Korean Wiki.--Appletrees 14:25, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I am not neither agreeing that there is anti-Korean sentiment in Japan, neither am I denying it. Even if something is true, it is still not NPOV in some cases to place it all over wikipedia. If someone added a racist tag to every Korean politician that has said something negative about Japan, it would be pushing a pro-Japan/anti-Korean point of view. I am not arguing about the existence of racism in any nation, I am trying to point out wikipedia policy. You cannot put a racism tag on everyone who says something that you consider to be negative regarding Korea and/or Korean people.Sennen goroshi 14:39, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Don't exaggerate it. I never added the tag into "Every Japanse politicians". I only added the tag on the people who did wrong and have hatred feeling toward Korean and Chinese such as the author of "マンガ嫌韓流". Why should I complain the matter to Korean Government? If you suggest so, I might go to Japanese Government to oppose their policy and prejudgement. Besides, Japanese wikipeian have been trying to tag "Korean terrorist" to Korean Independent nationalist who are awarded as "great man' "by Korean Government and revered by Korean people. Besides, the Racism category is added to Anti-Japanse sentiment in Korea by Japanese wikipeidan. The trigger is advanced by them.--Appletrees 15:07, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

sorry, I cant stop myself from laughing. 1. I never claimed that you put a tag on every Japanese politician. 2. (and I am still laughing) what makes you think you are the person who wikipedia has chosen to decide "who did wrong" ? there is no wrong and right in wikipedia, there are facts. your opinions regarding hatred and right/wrong are not valid reasons for placing tags on wikipedia pages. When I suggested that you complain to the Korean Govt, it was because you objected to my summary that gave official statistics from the Korean Govt. The fact that someone added Racism to an article devoted to (duh) Racism (which is what anti Japanese sentiment is) has nothing to do with you adding it to the articles of individuals. I don't care if some Korean was revered by Koreans, Adolf Hitler was revered by the German people, and was awarded Time Magazine Man of the Year. Big Deal, he was still a murdering racist.Sennen goroshi 15:23, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm grinning because of your comments. If you feel really sorry, you should've not had to write the line here with such the effort. "sorry, I cant stop myself from laughing" What a contraction and blatant lie you said. Your comments above implies enough to indicate me to put a tag in every politician of Japan. Unlike you, I can read the real intention between lines. Unfortunately, Yukichi is considered the representative racist by people of Korea, China and US. His doctrine is the evident of what kind of people he is. Fact can't be hidden. I never have cared what Japanese have evalutate the criminal and racist philosophers of Japan. Haha, who said to you that Adolf Hitler "is" still revered by German now? If someone says "I rever him", he would soon to be call as "racist". You keep putting irrational instances to preach your intention. At least Hitler and Nazi were judged by the International Law. Besides to extent your viewpoint, Hirohito is considered a critical criminal of the war by almost every countries, but Japanese still respect him. If you want to label someone who might think something, you should think about yourself first. --Appletrees 16:41, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I really wanted to comment on your first few sentences, but I am finding it hard to understand your English, not a complaint or criticism - just a fact. I think most Japanese politicians are considered racists by Korea, from my personal experience Koreans are not so warm and welcoming when it comes to Japanese politicians. You don't care if Japanese people consider someone to be racist, the only important fact is if YOU consider him to be racist? thats very arrogant, you should be aware of other people's feelings and opinions, Japanese people have the right to respect their great historic figures.

Watch your OWN English. If you were born in an English-speaking country or immigrant, that is your shame. - That is my frank concern on you. I know some Japanese couldn't speak English at all although she has resided in US for over 10 years. That's is just a fact I saw. Only Me? Good Lord! What accusation you're trying to make on me? The arrogance is surely attributed to you. Pity to say, your judgement is unfair and biased. Like I previously said, Yukichi is considered as a racist by US, Korea, China, all Asia except Japan. Of course Korean learned the "fact" not only at school, but also from media. I took a history class in US, they also taught so. So don't undercover the fact of history. Of course Japanese don't believe what other people think of him. Just believe what you want to believe. Make a Fool of yourself forever. --Appletrees 03:17, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Regarding Hitler, at no time did I say that he IS revered, I said WAS (past tense) in response to your claims that some unimportant Korean WAS(past tense) revered. like for like. A direct comparison, if you are having trouble understanding the difference between past and present tense, then just ask, maybe I can give you a little advice relating to correct English usage.

Regarding Hirohito, the world (apart from racist and jealous countries) has total respect for his memory, he was not a criminal, a criminal is someone who is convicted of a crime, he was never convicted of anything, so could never be considered a criminal. Sennen goroshi 17:41, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

"some unimportant Korean"? haha, that is indicating that you're degrading those people. They "has been" always revered in Korea and also revered outside of Korea unlike Hirohito or Yukichi. Jiang Jieshi or Tagor praised the Korean independent activities. Read history books not published in Japan which are notorious for distorted editing and undercovering the fact of history.

You should know that Hirohito has been always compared to Adolf Hitler. Hitler murderer killed many many Jews, polish and etc in the Western world, Hirohito killed many innocent Asian with Russian, American and such and such. I'm not denying that "the criminal" is a gigant figure in Japan, but many people outside Japan don't understand Hirohito not to choose sepuku to keep his own dignity like other Shoguns in history of Japan. You should also read books or newpapers printed outside Japan. Hirohito is a criminal in the point of the International world. He was very lucky to save his neck because many Japanese at time thought Hirohito should and could be sentence to death but the enemy of Japan, US saved him for several reasons to take their own interest such as preventing Japan from communization like China.

Pooh-pooh. Why other countries have such the trivial feeling at Japan? Japan is like sunset. What a pity for Sony. Your insulting commentary can't harm the value and truth of history.

Japan is like sunset?? huh? please keep your offensive comments to yourself, I have at no time insulted Korea, I would never make racist/nationalistic comments regarding another nation, I don't stoop to such levels. Please keep your comments on an adult and polite level.

Sennen goroshi 06:46, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you did insult Korea and Korean surely including me. I have been strongly offended by you. You consistently cause a noise on Korean-relate articles with "your specialty", personal abuse. If you want to receive polite responses from others, please behave yourself first. Otherwise, you get what you have to deserve.--19:28, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Dog meat

• why are you complaining? i made a small joke in my edit summary. big deal. My edit was pure fact, based on Korean Govt figures, if you dont like the figures, go complain to the Korean Govt not me. If you dont like me calling dogs "cute puppies" then Im very very sorry you are offended, but get over it, its not the worst thing in the world. and please stop preaching your hate for Japanese people. Im not Japanese, but your comments are offensive.Sennen goroshi 14:55, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Even though someone feel offened by the "joke" with no intention to attack, that is not joke any more. Your comment is worst enough to be called "offensive". I'm not complaining, but you're whinning and complaining. Try to behave yourself in a right way. Well, I guessed your origin by your nickname, and that is one of the Japanese name. You would be Japanese-American. --Appletrees 15:15, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

why would anyone be offended? I called a dog, a cute puppy. dogs are cute. young dogs are called puppies. when you eat meat, you eat the flesh. therefore cute puppy flesh is 100% accurate. and what has my origin got to do with anything? because you think Im Japanese/American does that make me worse than you? do you wish to make comments regarding Japanese/Americans? don't you like Japanese people? how do you feel about Americans? How do you feel about Japanese/Americans?Sennen goroshi 15:23, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Don't make an excuse for yourself. Your referring the fresh of cute puppies implies enough that how crucial Korean eat such the cute and vulnerable creature. Some Korean eat dog meat not eat puppies, young dogs. I see through your black heart in the comments.

"when you eat meat, you eat the flesh. therefore cute puppy flesh is 100% accurate."

What a false syllogism! Likewise, that can be used in the same way. For instance, when you eat meat, you eat the flesh, therefore cute monkey fresh is 100% accurate. Cut monkey is almost human being, so you are a cruel cannibal. If you don't get it, I'm just wasting my precious time on you. False assumptions always produce false conclusions like you do.--Appletrees 01:55, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

No, at no time has eating monkey been considered the same as eating human flesh, they are different creatures. At no time did I mention the word 'cruel' you are making false assumptions. Sennen goroshi 06:46, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

See, you admit your assumption is wrong. I used the same logic you did. You're demanding your own way.--Appletrees 18:44, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Why are you upset at me? haha, I just simply said the whole truth about Japanese killing and eating "cute whales" like your statement on eating dog meat as eating "fresh of cute puppies: If you justify your perspective, hold the same instance. I have a few Japanese friends but they have a good manner . I surely stated that I don't like Japanese wikipedian vandalizing Korean-relate article. If you don't catch it, re-read it.--Appletrees 16:41, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

• I'm not upset at you, it is very nice of you to struggle and try so hard with your English, so that you can get your point across. I really couldn't care what you say about whales, and I am still very curious as to why you are so interested in my origin, why is it so important for you to have to guess that I am Japanese/American? Why do you care, and what do you deduce about me, from the guess that I'm Japanese/American? Sennen goroshi 17:41, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Haha, you think your English is so good or way better than me? I paste the evident of what your "real" ability is. I already figured out your origin not only by your nickname but also by your English.

I am not neither agreeing that there is anti-Korean sentiment in Japan, neither am I denying it.

What a proud comment you made to attack me with your so called "good" English. There is no correct grammar in the above sentence. You should've written just "neither" or "not either" instead of "not neither" in the first passage. Moreover, "neither am I denying" in the latter passage should be replaced with "nor denying". The sentence show the wrong usages of inversion in English.

I have had a hard time to figure out what you try to say, so if you want to spare your dignity, behave yourself. FYI, I've got a perfect score in the reading section whenever I test TOEFL. Besides, do you have any qualification to teach English? If you really want so, study English so hard and get a license in advance. Of course at least bachelor degree majoring in English at a "good school" is required first. But judging by your writing, you seem to have nothing to do with it. If you dare to keep insulting me with your scorning comments, try me. --Appletrees 00:41, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

please don't compare my English to yours...don't even start to comment on my English until you at least have the ability to converse, without making the readers head explode, whilst trying to understand your English. I made one minor grammatical error on a talk page. You are unable to write a single sentence without numerous glaring errors. Regarding my qualifications to comment on your English, I have a BA in English from a university in a native English speaking country. I have experience teaching experience in government schools, and have also taught PHD level scientists how to construct a scientific paper in English, I think I am more than qualified to comment on your level of English, when you are using English in English wikipedia.Sennen goroshi 06:46, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Threats

please do not make veiled threats towards me, or any other editor - in my talk page, your talk page, or any other part of the wikipedia site.

If you don't restrain your comment on Korean culture and history, you should be familar with the "Code of Hammurabi".--Appletrees 14:48, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

are you trying to suggest that you will make some form of edit directed against Japan/Japanese people, that is designed to disrupt and upset, merely for the purpose of revenge, against what is in your eyes an insult directed towards Korea?

an eye for an eye? Sennen goroshi 17:49, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Chosenjin

As I said before, Chosenjin is not an offensive word. Chosenjin is an equivalent for Ilbon saram. Ilbonnom is a slur and not an equivalent... You think "Under the rule of Japan, they were not called as Japanese from the outside world at times.", however, it is wrong. You probably knows Sohn Kee-chung, who participated in the Berlin Olympic games as a Japanese. In addition, there were so many people from Korea who became war criminals and were arrested after the WW2 as Japanese soldiers. These were because Korean people were called Japanese from other countries in those days. --Mochi 08:58, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

LOL

Thanks for the message on my talk page.

btw "You with making major mistake?" wrong. "When I miss some word in my writing, they understand me fine unlike you unable to catch anything." wrong (more than one mistake) "don't take a wrong way to content your overrated self-esteem" take a wrong way??? LOL wrong. "YOU ERASED A PILE OF BAD COMMNETS BY OTHERS, " COMMNETS? LOL "the crimes done by Aolf Hitler is the very same as" Aolf Hitler? WTF??? Who was Aolf ??

I am more than willing to help you with your English, but please understand that (due to a possible lack of education) your English is rather poor. While I may have made one or two minor errors in talk pages, my English is pretty good - you on the otherhand make on average one mistake every two sentences.

Don't try to guess my nationality, that only has the potential to make you look stupid.

What more can I say? I don't think I need to say much more, I am well spoken and eloquent, you use English very poorly, if you wish to insult me, please find something a little easier for you to deal with, for you to choose this topic to base your insults on is just funny - very fucking funny.Sennen goroshi 02:53, 2 October 2007 (UTC)