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Stub templates?

Any ideas? Do you think just one general template would work, perferably with the gears image? Rai-me 19:21, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I think it should use the gear image and read something like: This engineering article is a stub. You can help Misplaced Pages by expanding it. _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 19:23, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I'll create it if you want. But we'll have to officially propose it first. Rai-me 19:23, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Good idea. We should propose the template. Tbo talk 19:29, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

It appears that one already exists at Template:Engineering-stub:

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I think we should just change the image, and maybe slightly reword it to HI's version. There is also an entire category of engineering stubs that we can use on articles. Rai-me 19:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I know this is off topic, but I think that image could be used with several WikiProject Engineering templates. _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 19:57, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I think we should use both this and the gears. Both are good and very relevant images. For example, on the project template, we can use both. Rai-me 20:08, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

However, personally, I like the gears better. Rai-me 20:31, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree. We could use both images on various templates. Tbo talk 16:23, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

As mentioned above, I changed the gears-image on the project banner to the paper and pencil image pictured above. Comments? _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 16:27, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it was necessarily a good idea to remove the gears image, as it is used in pretty everything else in this project. But at the same time, the gears are already used to represent WikiProject Technology. Perhaps we can include both, the paper pencil image left-aligned and the gears image right-aligned? Rai-me 19:27, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea. _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 20:08, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

This mini-image called Image:Engineering.png put together by User:mbeychok for stubs is available. It shows a calculator and a sinusoid graph (plot). H Padleckas 05:05, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Should we replace one of the gears image on the main project with the calculator and sine graph image (pictured above)? _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 18:02, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't think we should replace the gears image; the graph image is very small to be used in some areas of the project, and the gears describe the project very well already. But, I do think that we should use the calculator and sine graph image in place of Image:Nuvola apps kig.png on the prject banner stub template. Rai-me 19:32, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Image:Nuvola apps kig.png

On second thought, that image might be too small to use on anything but stub templates. Rai-me 19:34, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

A larger version of Image:Engineering.png can be made available. There is a very similar logo candidate 150 x 150 pixels in size (which I made based on the stub-logo's idea) presently in Engineering Wikia, which I can easily modify to suit this WikiProject. H Padleckas 19:24, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I have just modified two candidate logos from Engineering Wikia for use in this WikiProject. They are both 150 x 150 pixels square. Here they are:

The first one is the one I mentioned above based on the concept of the graph and calculator min-logo by mbetchok that I said could modify to suit this WikiProject. The other one has also been similarly modified from Engineering Wikia. These two logos and the Image:Nuvola apps kig.png (128 x 128 pixels) are being now considered for the Engineering Wikia Logo. Are there any comments about these candidate logos? In Logo 1, I can avoid the hyphenation in "Wiki-Project" by modifying the image to move "WikiProject" under "Engineering". H Padleckas 21:02, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Engineering peer review department

Does anybody think this project needs its own peer review department? Anyway, I modified the project banner template to accomodate peer-review requests. _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 21:25, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I am not sure that we really need one at this point. It is still such a small project. Maybe in the future, since it is a very good idea. Rai-me 22:20, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Raime. The project doesn't have enough participants at the moment to start such activities. Tbo talk 15:45, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

How about when the project has around 20 members? _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 16:23, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

When we get around 20 or more active members, then we should be able to start activities such as peer review and portal voting.Tbo talk 16:31, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

We are about halfway there, at nine members. _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 07:45, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Related Wikiprojs

Parent might be Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Technology. ZueJay (talk) 01:42, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I would definitely agree with this, since the Engineering Portal is considered to be a subdivision of the Technology Portal. Rai-me 02:50, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Added WikiProject Technology under parent WikiProject section. _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 03:32, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Gaining more members

I have added this project to Template:Announcements/Community bulletin board and Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Council/Directory/Science. For gaining more members, do you think we should add an advertisement to the user page advertising banners as quite alot of users have these on their user page. Tbo (talk) (review) 18:22, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I think that that would be a great idea. Rai-me 22:08, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree. _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 02:28, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok. Does anyone have any specific ideas for the advertisement banner. Tbo (talk) (review) 00:30, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Maybe something that displays a picture of an engineering marvel??? _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 02:34, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I really thing we should stick with either the gears, the calculator/sine graph, or the paper/pencil image. Those images are already being used/are going to be used to deacribe the prject, and having a small amount images that can be related to this particular project seems like a good idea. Rai-me 12:18, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

How about something that alternates between the three images mentioned above (e.g. Gears image + text, then Calculator + text, and finally Paper + text)? _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 07:45, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Maybe we should base our ad on WP:HK's.

_{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 05:44, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Good idea. I think our ad can comprise of all the images mentioned above. I'll mock up a template ad that we can work on later on. Tbo (talk) (review) 18:56, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

What color should the background be? Dark blue? Rai-me 19:34, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Dark blue/ blue, either one is fine with me. _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 04:05, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

The ad banners are quite difficult to create as I am not experienced with graphical software and so I have asked User:Miranda, who is an experienced ad banner creator, if the user can create an ad for us. I have not had a reply yet and I am unlikely to get one until after October 10 as the user is currently taking a wikibreak. Thanks. Tbo (talk) (review) 17:32, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

First, I would appreciate the person who is initiating the "banner" venue to go through WP:BANNER, because I am not making ads at the current period, and have expressed that numerous amounts of times. Second, I also would have loved for the person who "desired the ad" to express some sort of gratitude to me for making the ad at the last minute. The main reason that I "hate" making these ads is due to them taking a LOT OF TIME out of my schedule to do this for a project. Third, I will make NO changes to this banner. If you hate it, then you have to figure out how make a replacement, yourselves. Miranda 04:29, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I think Miranda has done a good job with the banner and I would like to thank the user again on behalf of the project. This will probably attract more members. Tbo (talk) (review) 19:30, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Archiving threads

It seems like this page is getting too long. Maybe it's time to archive some of the other threads. Any comments? Cheers. _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 07:53, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd suggest miszabot. Initially, set it to 14 days to clear the large glut of activity that occurred when the project got started, then once it has archived once, change it to 30 days and leave it at that unless the activity level picks up significantly. If there is consensus, I'm happy to set it up. --Athol Mullen 09:35, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

That sounds good. I think I might start the archive page later. _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 17:08, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Ye, we can use miszabot. Tbo (talk) (review) 18:57, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

That sounds like a very good idea. Rai-me 19:33, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Done. Set to 14 days, and not a moment too soon. "This page is 38 kilobytes long." --Athol Mullen 10:17, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Proposed deletion: Foundation anchor

Foundation anchor (via WP:PROD)

--User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:39, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Main project page expansion

It's been over a month now since the project was moved to Wiki space. However, the main page seems unfinished to me. We seem to have enough members and so perhaps we could add and expand the main project page. Any ideas or comments for the main page? _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 22:01, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

We could start featured article and image voting for the portal. I can't think of much else to add to the main page but we could start setting goals, for example getting the main articles in the scope of this project to featured article status. Tbo (talk) (review) 00:01, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I think that those are great ideas. We could start a collaboration of the week to help bring the aforementioned articles to Featured or Good status. On another note, I still think that we should merge the template page into the main project page, as there are not enough templates to really warrant an individual page, at least not at this point. Rai-me 00:36, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

How about a resource section, a section to report issues (vandalism), categories section, assessment, and history sections in addition to a voting section. _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 00:35, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I am not sure if the project cuurently covers enough articles to need all of those things, but they are very good ideas. Have there been any vandalism problems on any of the main pages, and is there really a strong need to set up an assessment process? For the most part, these seem to be reserved for only the very large WikiProjects that cover wide expanses of articles, which this project does not (at least for the moment) do. Rai-me 00:39, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I think the engineering page should be based on WP:VOLCANO's main project page. _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 00:37, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

If you mean to set up an assessment section similar to that of the Volcano Project, then I think that would be a good idea. I was thinking you meant something more along the lines of WP:BIOGRAPHY. Rai-me 00:43, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Portal tag Placement (continued)

I just ran across the subject heading in Archive 1. I already added or moved a couple of links to WikiProject Engineering on few engineer/engineering pages before I read the discussion. I noticed a discrepancy in how they were used (or not) and placement. Based on my research, there's not yet a standard for placement of portal links. I thought at top looked okay for most pages, but stopped adding/moving when I saw they interfered with photos at the top right-hand corner. I suggest you poll all other engineering project leaders/pages to see if everyone can agree on a standard approach for engineer/engineering, then put a note on Wikipedia_talk:Portal summarizing the agreement.--CheMechanical 02:36, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

From my experiences, Portal tags they are almost always placed on project banners on talk pages (which is already practiced in this case) and/or next to "External links" or "See also". Putting them at the top of the article seems very strange to me. I personally don't think this is really a big issue, as the link is provided on the talk page. However, if I had to pick one, I would probably vote for placement in the "See also" sections. I agree; a final vote would be the best idea. Rai-me 02:47, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Pseudoscience spamming

We just busted a long-term WP:COI spamming campaign that involved the pushing of pseudoscientific materials via use of sockpuppetry. The party responsible was a member of this wikiproject. See WP:ANI#User:Sadi_Carnot for more information (permanent link). Please check through this editor's contributions, as well as the sockpuppet's and fix any of the damage he may have caused. Thanks. MER-C 06:08, 21 October 2007 (UTC)