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All-Interval Tetrachord

Thank you for your authorship of the article All-Interval Tetrachord. However, it is presently so short that it meets Misplaced Pages's criteria for speedy deletion, in that it "It is a very short article providing little or no context". Have you considered adding a mention of all-interval tetrachords to the main tetrachord article, or expanding All-Interval Tetrachord to contain more context so that it is useful to readers? --tjstrf 19:50, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Yep, that should be much better. Congratulations! You've written a useful start for an article! Oh, I hope you don't mind, but since All-Interval Tetrachord doesn't seem to be a proper noun, I've moved it to the proper capitalization, All-interval tetrachord. --tjstrf 23:16, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Adoption

Hello, Rename user vk7wbxku6o2fxupa! I see that you have expressed an interest in being adopted by an experienced editor. I accept your request, being an experienced editor myself. Whether you want to learn about wiki markup, find something to do, or just talk to somebody, I'm the one you can talk to - just leave a message on my talk page. Good luck with Misplaced Pages! Rockpocket 03:07, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi S.dedalus! I'm glad to help, feel free to drop me a line if i can help you in anyway.

With regards to editing code, you seem to have grasped the basics, which is a great way to start of course! The way i learned was by keeping Misplaced Pages:Cheatsheet close to hand for a while (you can read a more detailed verson at WP:EDIT. Pretty much everything you need to create and write stubs is in there.

Templates are pretty simple to use, though the tricky thing is remembering which one you want for the situation you find yourself in. Basically you can consider them shortcuts to reproduce pre-written text, but and they also contain code that allows any article with a template to be listed in a given place. So, for example, there are literally hundreds of templates that are used to generate the text that identify stubs. By adding {{ethno-activist-stub}} to the bottom of a stub like Robina Qureshi, you get the text:

"This biographical article about a minority rights activist is a stub. You can help Misplaced Pages by expanding it."

But it also automatically lists the article in the Category:Minority rights activist stubs. Of course, this is but one example, templates can be used as navigation tools (like Template:Animal testing advocacy), as greetings (like Template:Welcome), warnings (Template:Behave) and a multitude of other uses, most of which can be found here. My advice is to try and not overload yourself with learning too many templates. You don't really need to use any beyond stubs to begin with, and overtime you will remember the ones you use more often.

A few key things to remember:

• You can express a template by simply typing its name encompassed by curly brackets: {{TEMPLATE NAME}}
• Some templates require substituting to replace the code with text. To do this: {{subst:TEMPLATE NAME}}
• Some templates allow additional customisation, e.g.{{subst:Welcome4|Rockpocket}} would reproduce a customised welcome message with a direct link to my talk page.
• You can create your own, just follow the instructions here!

Pictures are also quite tricky to begin with. If you are interested in uploading images, please be aware of the policies regarding copyright. As a rule of thumb, unless you made the image yourself it probably is not a good idea to upload it.

If you wish to add images to articles, you can read the basics at Misplaced Pages:Images and learn the markup at Misplaced Pages:Extended image syntax. In its basic form its quite simple. You simply type:

]

Where the words in lower case between the pipes can be a number of different operators (Location= 'right', 'left', 'center' or 'none'). Thats the basics, anyway. I would simply recommend experimenting, either in the sandbox, or using the preview function (do not experiment in article namespace though!) If you have specific questions or queries, do not be afraid to ask. I'll keep and eye on your contributions and, if i can make any pointers, i will do. Good luck!! Rockpocket 09:14, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

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DIV and Watchlist

Hi! You are doing great work so far, S.dedalus, keep it up.

So you asked about the <div> </div> markup. Well that is basically a HTML command that defines a division (or section) in a page. It can be used to align text anywhere on the page (depending on the associated parameter you choose). A subset of HTML elements are currently permitted in WP. You can read about them here, including some basic examples. If you wish to learn more complex uses (like for example, its use in the notice above this message), then your best bet will be to read some HTML tutorials (like here for example).

Your watchlist is one of the most useful tools in wikipedia (in my opinion). If (at the top of the page after you log in) you click on my preferences then the editing tab. You will notice a checkbox for: Add pages I create to my watchlist and Add pages I edit to my watchlist. I check both. Now whenever I edit or create a page it will be automatically added to my watchlist. The watchlist then lists the most recent edit (including the editor who made it, the date, time and edit summary) for ever single article I have ever edited, allowing me to keep track of changes to them. This differs to my contributions page, which lists all of my edits (but no-one elses). If you check those boxes, when you are editing a page you will now notice that there is an automatically checked box directly above the save page - show preview - show changes buttons that says watch this page. You can deselect this at anytime and said article will be removed from your watchlist. Alternatively you can leave the boxes unchecked in your preferences and use the box in the editing page to opt in to articles of your choice. Either way, the watchlist allows you to keep better track the articles you have an interest in (and the associated talkpages which are added automatically when the article is). Rockpocket 09:59, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

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Humanities desk post

About your comment "I guess I'd better stop drooling then!": don't worry, it caused no confusion. It was actually quite funny! --Bowlhover 03:38, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Stopping by

Hi S.dedalus. I thought i would stop by to say 'hello' and see how you are doing. I've been checking out your contributions and you appear to be well into the swing of things, which is great, of course. Moreover, you now seem to be pretty adept in the ways of Misplaced Pages. While I am very happy to remain as a mentor for as long as you wish, if and when you feel ready to branch out of the adoption programme just drop me a note. I have no qualms with you flying the nest, so to speak. In the meantime, keep up the good work and let me know if i can be of any further assistance! Rockpocket 05:23, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Sure, please stay in the programme as long as you wish, I'm happy to have you! To answer your questions:

• There is no need to contact Samuel Jones to ask his permission before expanding his article. Infact, it is often a bad idea to do so, as some people get a little possessive over their own article and feel the need to edit it themselves once they are alerted to its existance. That is never a good situation, as its near impossible for them to be objective. However, in a few situations it can be a helpful to contact the subject. These include asking their permission to use an image of which they hold copyright or asking them to clarify some information. I would recommend getting the page online first, then deciding whether it would be useful to contact him.
• I'd be happy to read over anything you have. I often make drafts work in subpages, for example see User:Rockpocket/Scrapbook. You could work on a draft of the article on User:S.dedalus/drafts and then other, invited, editors could offer advice.
• Your sources seem fine to me. Often a few external links or general "further reading" type references are fine as sources for articles. Its usually only WP:BLPs, scientific or critical content that requires strict inline attribution from a reliable source.
• How long is a piece of string? Technically, editors should get a sequence of "test" templates from{{subst:test0}} (good faith) all the way up to {{subst:test4}} (final warning). However, in practice its best to judge how blatant the vandalism is and act accordingly. Give the benefit of the doubt when it isn't clear, but it it really is trolling vandalism then I might start with a {{subst:test}}, followed by a {{subst:vw}} then use {{subst:blatantvandal}} straight afterwards. If they continue after that, report 'em at WP:AIV.

-- Rockpocket 07:49, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I have left comments for you here. Rockpocket 07:31, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a million. I’ll get to work on that. S.dedalus 07:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikisource

Another good question, there! Despite searching, I can't find any evidence of a way to link accounts between two different Wikimedia projects. It seems people simply create another account at Wikisource using the same log in name they use here, then create Wikilinks between them: see User:ThomasV and wikisource:user:ThomasV for example. You can create a Wikisource account here. Rockpocket 05:09, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't know how to send you a message on this site because it has no link to your e-mail. Anyway, I just wanted to say that you are a shame to humanity. I guess you are the true representation of all the radical "liberals" in the U.S. and it shows by your disagreement with the Heysel incident. If i was you I would learn the facts and acknowledge that it was the Liverpool fans who were behaving like absolute animals that day. Why would you want to play it down by not giving the Livepool zealots the blame that they DESERVE!!!! Also, stick to music and leave football (or soccer as you yanks call it) for the people who follow that sport. Any questions? e-mail me at ringbearerdaniel@yahoo.com

Regardless of who is to blame for the Heysel incident Misplaced Pages is NOT THE PLACE TO EXPRES YOUR PERSIONAL POLITICAL OR MORAL VEWS. I have absolutely no interest in this subject other than that of an editor of Misplaced Pages. Also in the future please do not place flame messages on my talk page. Thank you.S.dedalus 07:03, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

If you have no interest in the Heysel incident then how can you feel you have the authority to edit what happened when you did not have a clue to what went on? I read several books and one of them was "Football Hooligans". I did some independent research outside the internet in order to be better informed. What I wrote was not my personal or political opinion as you say. Furthermore, wikipedia is not any academic encyclopedia! It is site where anyone is free to edit and share whatever knowledge they have to offer.

Please see Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view and Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not and Misplaced Pages:No original research. It is a fundamental principle of Misplaced Pages that content must be well sourced and from a neutral point of view. Saying that the Liverpool fans were “mean spirited” is not from a Neutral point of view and is worded in a inflammatory manor. Instead let others judge based on their actions. Also, please provide a source for your assertion that those killed were “all Italian Juventus fans.” S.dedalus 07:15, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Your query

Hi! Sorry about the delay in getting back to you, I was off for a short Christmas Wikibreak. The place to report vandalism in progress is WP:AIV, but there are certain criteria that must be met to list there. Personal attacks can be reported at WP:PAIN and more complex cases the require admin attention can be mentioned at WP:ANI. Alterntativly you can give a friendly admin a shout (see this list). Thanks also for the email you sent me a while back. For some reason it was re-routed by my spam filter, so I only found it the other day. I think if sorted that problem out now, but I apologise for not responding until now. Regarding the current issue - I have issued the editor with a final warning and will be watching their editing closely. Do let me know if you come across further vandalism or personal attacks from him and I will deal with it. Rockpocket 07:47, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Hope you have a great vacation and best wishes for the New Year! Rockpocket 08:24, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Howdy! Regarding sourcing the music style of your article: although biographies should be well sourced per WP:BLP, in reality articles on non-controversial individuals tend to be poorly sourced. A general rule of thumb is that if you are providing information that would be considered unflattering or critical it must be sourced. If you are providing an description of something they have done, it should be sourced, but if it is uncontroversial and widely accepted, you can usually get away without sourcing it. Of course, if someone challenges it, then it must be sourced or they can remove it.

Regarding your userboxes. Formatting is my weakest point on the project (one of the reasons why my user space is so bare!) You could simply list them like User:C.lettinga, but i'll continue to look around and see if I can find anything to help you, but for the moment I'm going to have admit defeat! Sorry. Rockpocket 08:53, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Vaghtesheh (It's the time)

Hey there, no problem dude. The song talks about "time of separation" and its impacts on the poet. It starts like this:"it's the time to go, it's the time to leave you behind, there is no rebirth, it's the time of my demise...." then poem continues to describe his feelings in the last moments and in the end complains from creation why he had to leave. I hope I was useful. Cheers ! Amir85 09:32, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Samuel Jones

Hi. Ahh, sorry about that. It was my fault, as I forgot about the auto redirects that are set up when you move an article. Basically the composer article's talk page, was redirecting to the jazz musician's talk page. Anyway, problem solved now, and I have added a few appropriate templates. Everything else looks good.

You asked about linking to sections. You can do that. There is some information at this subsection: Misplaced Pages:Only make links that are relevant to the context#Subsections. Briefly, you use a "#" followed by the the subsection name. You should also pipe the link: e.g. if you are interested in linking to Jones' orchestral work you would write ]. Rockpocket 08:35, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Userbox Migration

Hi! Userbox migration is one proposed solution to the great Userbox debate that has raged on Misplaced Pages for a while. Basically, the idea is to move Userbox templates to individual sub-pages of their creators. The idea being that editors can create whatever userboxes they wish, as long as they remain in their own sub-pages, and not in other namespace. Do you wish to migrate, or create, a userbox yourself? I can help you do that if you wish. Rockpocket 05:43, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

For some reason people seem to prefer to have userboxes they create in template space rather than their own userspace (I suppose they think it gives it a great legitimacy, or perhaps because it might attract more attention there). So often when they are moved, their creator will try to move them back. Move-warring may ensue. Since I don't use userboxes myself (I prefer to remain enigmatic!), its not really something that I have much experience in. Rockpocket 07:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Nancy's Fancy

Hello -- I actually added a note to the John Adams talk page immediately after inserting Nancy's Fancy into his list of compositions. It reads, "A quick note about my addition of Nancy's Fancy to Adams' list of works, which is undoubtedly an obscure piece (I've never heard it myself). I saw it mentioned in a list of SF Symphony premieres of Adams' work () as well as in the following article in the SF Chronicle: ." Rmannion 00:34, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Re Music Images

Hello. Regarding you question about images, i'm afraid I may not be able to give you a definative answers, but I'll do my best. As far as I can tell there is nothing wrong with uploading images of musical notations. However, they will have to be uploaded as images (such as .png files, see Misplaced Pages:Preparing images for upload). It shouldn't matter what software you use as long as the output meets certain criteria:

• The notated music illustrated in the image must not infringe on someone's copyright (including that of the credited composer of the music and that of the software used to make the image), though you could possibly make a fair use claim if it is under copyright.

• If fair use isn't claimed, it should have a free license, preferably GFDL (so you should check that is compatible with the software, also). You might also wish to consider uploading free images to the Wikimedia Commons rather than Misplaced Pages (see Wikimedia Commons Help).

You should also be careful of having too many images in a single article, for technical reasons, and also to make sure you don't violate WP:NOT: music notation is fine to illustrate examples or for critical comment, but we shouldn't be reproducing whole large amounts of musical notation (think of it like writing about a book, we can use quotes from the book to illustrate points, but we can't simply reproduce the entire book).

You can upload images using the Upload file link on the toolbox (probably on the left of your screen). Make sure you give it an appropriate license from the pull down menus and also explain the source of the image and any claims of fair use you might make. If you are having problems, there is help at Misplaced Pages:Uploading images, also feel free to let me know and I can help you out - as it can be tricky until you get the hang of it.

Finally, the above are pretty much general considerations. There may well be precedent or guidelines regarding musical notation that I am not aware of (and not knowing much about music, I may be missing some important copyright issues also). So I would advise you to seek guidance at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Music/Noticeboard before doing any wholescale uploading of musical notation. Rockpocket 08:05, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Uploading your MIDI

You can use Special:Upload to upload audio files, however the file type must be Ogg Vorbis. See Misplaced Pages:Media#Audio for more information, including links to programs that can help you convert file types. − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 10:44, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Edit count

Hi there and welcome back! There are a few tools you can use to monitor your (or others) edit counts, one is here (though it currently has a long delay). You can also opt into a more detailed analysis of your edits using this tool. There are other tools listed at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject edit counters. Once you have over 5000 edits you can check your "ranking" at Misplaced Pages:List of Wikipedians by number of edits (I was 1963rd at the last count), but be careful of Editcountitis. Rockpocket 07:58, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Afd

That Afd looks perfectly formed to me. You might wish to explicitly state your opinion with a first delete !vote, but other than that it looks fine. Rockpocket 02:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Kudos to you

(Barn star moved to my Awards page. Thanks again!)

Hello S.dedalus. I want to thank you so much for starting Misplaced Pages:Responding to suicidal individuals. This is seriously needed here. I am actually ashamed of myself and embarrased for not having thought of this myself. Anyways, you have done a great thing by starting this. I am awarding you The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar. It is usually given for protecting our articles against vandalism and POV, but what good is protecting the wiki-pages if we are not protecting the Wikipedians? I thank you and commmend you whole-heartedly. Best, Johntex\ 23:53, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I concur. Its a very good proposal, especially from a relatively new editor, so well done. I think there are some issues with it that need to be worked out and I would be surprised if it makes it all the way to policy, but its certainly a worthy attempt and i'm certain it will be helpful in whatever format it ends up in. Rockpocket 00:29, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

You helped choose Ludwig van Beethoven as this week's WP:ACID winner

Thank you for your support of the Article Improvement Drive. This week Ludwig van Beethoven was selected to be improved to featured article status. Hope you can help.

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The WikiProject Biography Newsletter: Issue II - April 2007

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Suicidal troll

I note your strong disagreement with the reversion. Having now read the wikipedia policy on such matters, I would not take the same action again. Thanks --Tagishsimon (talk)

Copyright violations

Hi!. Sorry about the delay in getting back to you, I somehow missed your question yesterday. If the content is a blatant copyright infringement, see WP:CSD#G12, then it can be speedy deleted. First check if there is a clean revision in the page history, if so revert to it. If not, you should tag the article with the following:

• {{db-copyvio|url=url of source}}

And you can put:

• {{subst:uw-copyright|page name|url=url of source}} ~~~~

on the user's talk page. If you think it is a copyvio, but are not sure or can't find a link to the source, you can get help at WP:CV.

One other bit of advice, try and be careful of comments such as "If this is indeed the case then homeschooling is defiantly the best option" on the Ref Desk. With our limited knowledge we really can't know what "is definantly the best option", and we wouldn't want to convince some poor kid to set their sights on something that is neither possible nor even in their best interests. Its a good idea to keep it in terms of something like "homeschooling is definantly someting I would recommend" or "homeschooling is definantly someting you could consider". Rockpocket 20:36, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Amsterdam

If you plan to be in Amsterdam before June 24, you might want to check out the program of the Holland Festival: (click the British flag if it's in Dutch). Many interesting concerts and performances, and student tickets are only 10 euro. Skarioffszky 09:28, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Suicide policy (was not so painless)

Hi. It appears that Misplaced Pages:Responding to suicidal individuals has not managed to make it to policy. Don't be disheartened, though, its very rare that policy is formed in that manner and so it was a huge ask to propose it as such. Nevertheless, it was a very good attempt. It was healthy that the issue was raised and discussed and the proposal will remain up for others to learn from, so hopefully it will still have an impact on future incidents. I just wanted to say well done again, for you fine effort. Rockpocket 07:43, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Photo

I think that image may well be acceptable under a fair use claim (see Misplaced Pages:Non-free content) seeing as the topic of the article is essentially the video and there is not way it could be recreated. If you agree, be sure to justify it with a valid fair use rationale. You could always ask Misplaced Pages talk:Requested copyright examinations if you want more expert advice. Rockpocket 23:11, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Composer infoboxes

You recently spoke, on Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Composers or Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Opera, against the blanket removal of infoboxes from articles about composers, or on an attempt to reach a compromise solution. Despite around a dozen people doing so, there are claims that consensus for their blanket removal was reached. You may be interested in the ongoing debate on the former talk page. Andy Mabbett 10:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Du’a Khalil Aswad

The AINA article only says the website that originally aired the clips said the police helped kill her, they do not make any claims about it themselves. But the way the sentance was originally phrased makes it sounds like they're making the claim. Since it's not obvious from watching the video, we shouldn't include the statement unless there is a reliable source to attribute it to.--Cúchullain /c 00:51, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, yes I see. And jebar.info is not a reputable news source? I can’t really find any information on it.S.dedalus 02:31, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't know anything about it, so I don't know if it's reliable or not. I guess the first step would be finding wherever it was they said that, and seeing if they attribute it to some source besides the video. If they say you can see that in the video, I think that's flat wrong - it's not obvious from watching it, and I don't think reliable media would claim it is. If they don't give another source, that would be a strike against their credibility as well, given the seriousness of the allegation and the fact that no later reliable sources have even even repeated it without the qualification that it was jebar.info that said it.

If you want to include the line, you could say something like "according to jebar.info, police officers did nothing to stop the attack and even participated..." and then give a link to wherever jebar said it (if you can). But I'd prefer we stay away from such sensational and serious allegations until we can find a real reliable source to attribute it to.--Cúchullain /c 02:54, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Well this is where it talks about Du’a Khalil Aswad I assume. Since I don’t speak Arabic I guess I’ll have to try to find someone around here that does. S.dedalus 18:35, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Vacation!

See y’all in about a month. I’m off to the sunny Mediterranean for a little vacation! I’ll miss you all. Maybe I can send you a postcard :-) S.dedalus 04:45, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Aquarium Fishes June 2007 Newsletter

The Aquarium Fishes WikiProject Newsletter Issue VII - June 2007
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WikiProject Aquarium Fishes July 2007 Newsletter

The Aquarium Fishes WikiProject Newsletter Issue VIII - July 2007
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Deleted pages

Hi. I'm afraid only administrators can see the history of a deleted page. However, in certain circumstances they may provide the information to you or copy the deleted material across to a subpage of your choosing. I can tell you that that particular page was simply a redirect to List of LGBT composers (which, itself, has been deleted). If you are interested, I see no reason why the deleted material on that page should not be made temporarily available to you. If you would like to nominate a user subpage, I will copy it over to there. Though for various reasons, it shouldn't really be stored there permanently, so when you have obtained what you need from it, you should let me know and I can delete it again. Rockpocket 07:23, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

If you're just interested in why the page was deleted - then all you have to do is go to the page. In this case the admin says that it was deleted because of Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_LGBT_composers - so read that and you'll know why--danielfolsom 15:33, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi again, I have copied the material to User:S.dedalus/temporary. Regarding a list of LGBT artists, do you mean artists as in painters/sculptors? I note there is already Category:LGBT visual artists, and therefore it could be deleted under the same rationale as the List of gay, lesbian or bisexual composers. Though, personally, I don't see why it was deleted in the first place. The AfD certainly doesn't read like a consensus to delete to me. Rockpocket 07:45, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Regarding your referencing problem, here is what you do. You need to give the reference a name in the first instance, like this:

• <ref name="fcit"> (Retrieve July 7, 2007)</ref>

Then each subsequent time you use it you use the following format:

• <ref name="fcit"/>

There is also an explanation at Misplaced Pages:Footnotes#Citing a footnote more than once. I have changed the first Ref and the first example of subsequent use in the article as an example. All you need to do is change the rest. Rockpocket 07:45, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Aquarium Fishes August 2007 Newsletter

The Aquarium Fishes WikiProject Newsletter Issue IX - August 2007

News Please welcome our new members: Ronnieadinata (talk · contribs), Lerdsuwa (talk · contribs), Peregrinebee (talk · contribs) Articles recently created: Pseudomystus, Scleromystax, List of Corydoras species, Bedotiidae, Bedotia, Dekeyseria, Leporacanthicus, Pseudacanthicus Articles recently expanded or revised: Callichthys callichthys, Serrasalminae, Black pacu, Piranha, Callichthyidae, Corydoras, Danionin, Sailfin molly, Yucatan molly, Hoplosternum littorale, Acanthicus The Banggai cardinalfish, threatened with extinction due to the aquarium trade, recently had its proposal for protection under CITES rejected. Brochis has, since 2003, been a synonym of Corydoras. Related articles have been edited to reflect this. The article "Rotting nose disease" has been identified as a hoax and has been deleted. Read more here. Did you know... (Featured on the Main page): ...that the wimple piranha is a specialized predator whose diet consists primarily of fish scales? (July 13) ...that catfish of the genus Dekeyseria are able to rapidly change their colouration to fit their mood or their surroundings? (July 22) ...that catfish of the genus Leporacanthicus are also known as vampire plecostomus because of the presence of very long teeth on their upper jaw? (July 28) See or edit the current tasklist here

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Thanks!

...for the barnstar! Appreciate that; I especially appreciate that it wasn't yet another "RickK" star, but was one actually about what I do. Yes we've met and I remember you; I think it was talking about Joyce at the reference desk, but I've seen you around a lot. Good to know there are some others knowledgeable about composition and theory here! Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 00:55, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Only a flesh wound

The photo on your "About me" page, of Nagasaki - is that the Black Knight in the centre? DuncanHill 23:01, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Homosexuality

I replied to your speculative post at the Humanities desk. --Dweller 10:10, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Very interesting. Thank you for your enlightening response. --S.dedalus 21:00, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Anthony Burgess

Many people start with Clockwork Orange but while his best-known book (and do make sure you have read the full version, with Alex as a "grown-up" reflecting on his life in the last chapter), it is probably not his best. I would strongly recommend Earthly Powers for its language, exploration of ideas, and its humour. Joyce makes a cameo appearence. The Long Day Wanes (also published as The Malayan Trilogy) is also an excellent starting point. Byrne, a novel in verse about a "rampant Irish artist" and the Twentieth Century, is an astonishing read. The Enderby trilogy, about a flatulent poet and including much of Enderby's poetry, is another good entry. Of his non-fiction, I have already mentioned Here Comes Everybody: An Introduction to James Joyce for the Ordinary Reader, Homage to Qwert Yuiop is a collection of some of his journalism, and gives a good taste of his range, interests and philosophy. Happy reading! DuncanHill 21:46, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Image

I'm afraid that image copyright issues is not an area I'm familiar enough with for me to charge in to a dispute. While I'd like to help, can I suggest you find an admin who deals with these issues. Sorry! --Dweller 09:22, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

The dispute appears to be resolved now. Thanks, and sorry to bother you. --S.dedalus 21:10, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Reply re: project

Hi. I replied to your kind request on my talk page. MdArtLover 23:54, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

RFC:Conductor infoboxes

i know canvassing is kinda tacky, but there is currently underway is an attempt by a just a few editors to prohibit the use of infoboxes in articles of all classical musicians. in my view, the manner in which the policy was adopted was just a bit underhanded, and skeevishly done. if you are at all interested keeping the infoboxes, please go here and join the discussion. if you would like to loose them...well...just ignore this message. cheers! -- emerson7 05:26, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Regarding the Shneur Zalman Friedman article

Someone the AFD suggested moving the article to Wikinews, wich seems like a more apropriate place for it. Only problem is they use a difference license so we can't just copy the GFDL licensed artice over there. However since you wrote most of the article you are free to "dual license" it to also be available under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 license used by Wikinews in addition to the existing GFDL license. this version of the article (before anyone else started editing it) could then be put on Wikinews, wich unlike Misplaced Pages do accept news articles. --Sherool (talk) 09:26, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

This is unfortunate how the article will be deleted, i don't see any argument why a news story cannot become an encyclopedia issue. I strongly urge you to fight this trough, because i don't see any consensus here, the way it is being deleted is clearly not the right way, People are being called there to vote in group mentality, this should have never been a call for the WikiProject to come in this discussion, it has nothing at all to do with Judaism. I myself would never ever been privy to this debate if i wasn't a Jewish User who keeps close ties with Jews on wikipedia to see what Jewish articles need my help, i should not have been called here to express my opinion, please don't count it, you stay with the article if you discount all those users who were called here for their identety--יודל 16:55, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

You helped choose Franz Liszt as this week's WP:ACID winner

Thank you for your support of the Article Improvement Drive. This week Franz Liszt was selected to be improved to featured article status. Hope you can help.

Zginder 13:07, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikiprojects and canvassing

Hello. Posting notices to wikiproject boards is well accepted practice in wikipedia. However, individually canvassing wikieditors with similar points of view, as User:Yidisheryid seems to be doing, is not. He has been warned for this before at user talk:Yidisheryid#WP:CANVASS .... -- Avi 19:43, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

It's called transclusion and is done by many projects in the wiki. -- Avi 20:16, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Comments

They are my opinions and I'm free to express them. I certainly won't be withdrawing those remarks since they don't fail any policy. --Folantin 20:41, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

No, I'm saying it's highly likely the only reason such editors have turned up at this particular moment on this particular page is because emerson7 has canvassed them in the hope they would deliver a favourable opinion. It is standard practice to issue such warnings at AfDs, RfAs etc. if canvassing is suspected. It is perfectly fair to warn other editors about it and they are free to make up their own minds accordingly. Please don't quote policy at me. The only person in clear violation of policy here has been Emerson7 and I don't see any reprimands from you on his talk page. --Folantin 20:56, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

"I am very frustrated with what I believe is vote stacking and manipulation of consensus...". That's supposed to be "AGF" and "civil". Please, just give us a break... --Folantin 21:26, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Fight club

Hey S.Dedalus, i just read your comment on the reference desk about insomnia and the reference to Fight Club, it might be of some interest to you that, the main character (no name given in the film, or book) does not take valerian root and ignores the doctors suggestions, so it wasn't the valerian root which made him violent, infact it may have been the lack of...

just thought you might be interested, it is one of my favourite films, RobertsZ 21:15, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I’ll have to check it out. I’ve only seen the trailer. --S.dedalus 21:17, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Sure, i would highly recommend it, some very interesting points about society are raised, i hope you enjoy it RobertsZ 21:21, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Not canvas puppet

Hi Kleinzach, thanks for your polite reply concerning the canvassing. I think perhaps you misconstrue my motives in joining the discussion at Proposal on bio-infoboxes though. --S.dedalus 23:56, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but you were contacted as a known pro-boxer. That's why I think you should withdraw. If you participate it encourages the anti-boxers to canvass as well. -- Kleinzach 00:00, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually emerson7 seems to have picked people from the projects indiscriminately. In fact one of the users he contacted, User:Garion96, just voted AGAINST user boxes. But I’m sure now that you know that you will also ask him to withdraw his vote. . . --S.dedalus 00:07, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Good point. Why not contact him and agree to strike out all your text? That will set a good example and you will win everybody's respect. -- Kleinzach 00:20, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

what a fine mess..

i'm really sorry for the mess i stirred up, i'm really shocked at the vehemence and nastiness that's being slung around. it was really not my intent to go out of bounds in doing what i did, and now i see that the main issue is being totally eclipsed by my decidedly stupid blunder. --emerson7 00:51, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Biography Newsletter 5

The Biography WikiProject Newsletter Volume IV, no. 4 - September 2007
Project News The three-month long Summer Assessment Drive, organized by Psychless, was a huge success! It ran from June 1 – September 1, and reduced the backlog of unassessed articles from 113,385 to 56,237. In all, over 100,000 articles were assessed. Over 60 people contributed in some way. A barnstar has been created for exceptional work on Misplaced Pages biographies and for assisting the project. The Biography Barnstar is listed with the other WikiProject awards and can be awarded easily with a template. See the template page for more details. Member News Congratulations to the editors who worked on the newest featured biographies: Augustus; William Shakespeare; Adriaen van der Donck; Alfred Russel Wallace; Alison Krauss; Anne Frank; Anne of Denmark; Asser; Bart King; Bill O'Reilly; Bobby Robson; Bradley Joseph; CM Punk; Ceawlin of Wessex; Colley Cibber; Cædwalla of Wessex; Dominik Hašek; Elizabeth Needham; Frank Macfarlane Burnet; Georg Cantor; Gregory of Nazianzus; Gunnhild Mother of Kings; Gwen Stefani; Hannah Primrose, Countess of Rosebery; Harriet Arbuthnot; Harry S. Truman; Henry, Bishop of Uppsala; Héctor Lavoe; Ine of Wessex; Ion Heliade Rădulescu; Jack Sheppard; Jackie Chan; Jay Chou; John Martin Scripps; John Mayer; Joseph Francis Shea; Joshua A. Norton; Kate Bush; Kazi Nazrul Islam; Kevin Pietersen; Martin Brodeur; Mary Martha Sherwood; Mary of Teck; Maximus the Confessor; Miranda Otto; Muhammad Ali Jinnah; P. K. van der Byl; Penda of Mercia; Pham Ngoc Thao; Rabindranath Tagore; Ramón Emeterio Betances; Red Barn Murder; Richard Hakluyt; Richard Hawes; Robert Garran; Roman Vishniac; Ronald Niel Stuart; Ronald Reagan; Roy Welensky; Rudolph Cartier; Samuel Adams; Samuel Beckett; Sarah Churchill, Duchess of Marlborough; Sarah Trimmer; Sargon of Akkad; Shen Kuo; Sophie Blanchard; Stereolab; Sydney Newman; Sylvanus Morley; Tim Duncan; Timeline of Mary Wollstonecraft; Uncle Tupelo; Waisale Serevi; Wallis, Duchess of Windsor; Walter Model; William Bruce; William Goebel; Yagan; Zhou Tong; Æthelbald of Mercia; Æthelbald of Mercia New Members Congratulations to our 225 new members	From the Editors The newsletter is back! Many things have gone on during the past few months, but many things have not. While the assessment drive helped revitalize the assessment department of the project, many other departments have received no attention. Most notably: peer review and our "workgroups". A day long IRC meeting has been planned for October 13th, with the major focus being which areas of the project are "dead", what should our goals be as a project, and how to "revive" the dead areas of our project. Contribute to the discussion on the the new channel (see below) We decided to deliver this newsletter to all project members this month but only those with their names down here will get it delivered in the future. This is your newsletter and you can be involved in the creation of the next issue. Any and all contributions are welcome. Simply let yourself be known to any of the undersigned or post news on the next issue's talk page New irc channel Lastly, a new WikiProject Biography channel has been set up on the freenode network: #wikipedia-en-bio Our thanks to Phoenix 15 for setting it up. Contributors to this Issue Psychless (talk · contribs) Phoenix 15 (talk · contribs)
Complete To Do List Write an article Expand an article about: a person an actor an animator an artist a bishop a businessperson a diplomat an educator an engineer a lawyer a military person a musician a photographer a saint a politician a scientist a sportsperson a writer Improve an article by: adding references adding categories Review an article Romano Volta • Suzanne Carrell • Mullá Husayn • John Gilchrist (linguist) • Thomas Brattle • Answer requests for comments Work on the Portal Portal:Biography Assess an article Assessment requests Unassessed articles Assessment Progress Biography articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Core Other ??? Total FA 35 1,634 1,669 FL 205 205 FM 616 616 A 1 131 132 GA 41 8,388 8,429 B 98 40,602 40,700 C 33 172,778 172,811 Start 1 765,483 765,484 Stub 1 1,030,128 1 1,030,130 List 8,202 8,202 Category 12,409 12,409 Disambig 3,908 3,908 File 31,292 31,292 Project 214 214 Redirect 3 44,874 44,877 Template 3,924 3,924 NA 15 15 Assessed 213 2,124,803 1 2,125,017 Unassessed 23,995 23,995 Total 213 2,148,798 1 2,149,012 WikiWork factors (?) ω = 10,842,164 Ω = 5.37
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Re: List of string quartets by composer AfD

I've just deleted the three lists you brought to AfD. You might like to list Template:Pieces-stringquartet-composer as well, which I think was part of the defunct scheme. Regards, Espresso Addict 16:42, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Philosophy subcat

Sounds good to me. Those claims of his would need to be substantiated, I think, as I can't recall any personal attacks (maybe I didn't read closely enough) and it was his claim, rather than reality, that the discussions were about categories in general. Seemed to me they were addressing the specifics of a philosophical designation. Totally inappropriate for him to close, yes. DionysosProteus 22:22, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Closure

Canvassing?

Hi, could you give me an example of the canvassing you referred to in relation to your “Wikipedians by philosophy and subcats” deletion nomination? Thanks, --S.dedalus 21:35, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

No, I think it's better that we move on. - jc37 23:08, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

conflict of interest

Hi, Since you have a clear conflict of interest regarding your nomination of Wikipedians by philosophy and subcats for deletion, I would like to ask you to please revert your decision to close that debate. Since you clearly have a strong POV in regards to the issue I ask you to please allow a neutral third party to review the discussion instead. Thanks you, --S.dedalus 23:02, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

No. I didn't close the discussion as actionable (delete/rename/whatever), so whether I have a COI or not isn't relevant. In the meantime, please be patient while I work on the (hopefully) clearer nominations. - jc37 23:08, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

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