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it is known as DrakeCircus shopping centre because it is next to the Drake Circus area. Maybe i should publish an article titled "Plymouth is Silverstall" or "London is Spud-u-like". lol

DrakeCircus shopping mall is no more notable than any other shop or shopping mall. It is blatant spam and used to promote a commercial interest. If you wish to state publicly that Drake Circus is purely a shopping mall and not an area or address of the university, museum and various other organizations, then you should be put on notice that they will institute legal proceedings against you for the considerable damage you are causing. For example every degree, be it Masters, Bachelor or Doctorate etc issued by the University refers on it to the registered address 'drake circus' If attempts to misrepresent that address by implying or expressing that it is purely a shopping centre then expect a class lawsuit against you and the editors and owners of Misplaced Pages in particular but not limited to, the lowering of the reputation of the University and the devaluation of the issued degrees. Moreover the businesses within that district have been associated with the name Drake Circus for over 160 years and to suggest otherwise is a blatant libel. You have been warned. Yiwentang 14:04, 30 October 2007 (UTC)yiwenTang

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Drake_Circus"

I assume you will also be threatening the BBC, Plymouth City Council, ciaou.co.uk, Shopping-centre.co.uk, etc? Please read WP:LEGAL and follow the guidance there. --Smalljim 14:35, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Unlike previous versions of this article at no stage have the BBC or the plymouth city council etc ever stated that Drake Circus was 'solely and exclusively' a shopping mall. Moreover all of them have acknowledged the existance of the shops that have been located in Drake Circus for the past 160 years. To suggest that Drake Circus is purely a shopping mall is both misleading and wholly inaccurate. To include a page on a group of shops whilst randomly excluding other shops or interests in that area is a violation of the Competition Acts. Moreover as the BBC own the Armada Shopping Centre they are only too well aware of the need to take action against those who continue to falsify facts for the commercial advantage of the Drakecircus shopping mall. There is no justification whatsoever in keeping a page on a specific shopping mall other than to promote the commercial interests of that shopping mall. May i suggest this matter is resolved by the deletion of both this page and the Drake Circus shopping centre page otherwise its inclusion (leaving all legal issues to one side) will permit any shop, retailer or other commercial interest to continue to spam this encyclopedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.132.100.115 (talk) 14:51, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

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You may be right that the shopping mall is not notable. The correct procedure to follow if you think this is the case is at Misplaced Pages:Notability. Pending you doing this, I am reinstating the article. Further deletions of the content will probably be considered by others to constitute vandalism. --Smalljim 15:03, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

We are all right behind you Yiwen. This is a blatant example of how spammers can infiltrate the Wickopedia network by becoming administrators or editors. Doubtless the article will be amended and replaced with the continued propaganda for a dying shopping mall at the expense of its more prosperous and academic neighbors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.157.81 (talk) 22:12, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

A few points:

1. Who are "we", IP?
2. Actually it's "Misplaced Pages".
3. It's not that easy for a spammer or anyone else to become an administrator, but you're welcome to give it a try. Meanwhile, spammers do indeed become editors. Indeed, all sorts of people do: the educated, the intelligent, the tired and emotional, the grossly immature, the deranged. (What else is new?)
4. In its present state, the article about this dreary-sounding mall hardly seems like "propaganda" for the mall.

If the article starts to sound propagandistic, you are as welcome as anybody else to question what it says and to make changes. While you are prevented from editing it, you can make suggestions in this talk page. If you believe that it is not notable and doesn't merit an article at all, you're free to argue this. If you further believe that mere size does not make shopping malls (even large and successful ones) notable, and that WP has a systematic bias towards big and/or bland retailers and/or buildings at the expense of aggregates of small and/or individual retailers and/or buildings (a point of view with which I have some sympathy), then you're free to argue that point as well. But mere bluster will get you nowhere. -- Hoary 02:33, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

To suggest "drake circus is a shopping mall" is equivalent to saying "Seattle is a tower". Its absurd and neglects the 24,000 students, residents, shopkeepers, bar, night clubs etc that all live work and play in Drake Circus. It not only insults the culture of drake circus but Misplaced Pages itself for allowing such nonsense to be published. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.168.157 (talk) 02:27, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Please sign your comments, and remember that putting them in bold makes the writer come off like a hectoring bore. -- Hoary 02:33, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

" When that firm ceased trading in the UK the complex gradually became derelict."

err i am sure the silverstall would have something to say about this as i seem to remember that Drake Circus boomed once C&A moved out because they were replaced by a huge pound shop and Next clearance. picture of their shop in the old drake circus

"Drake Circus is a Shopping Centre" ROTFLOAM - it is known as DrakeCircus shopping centre because it is next to the Drake Circus area. Maybe i should publish an article titled "Plymouth is Silverstall" or "London is Spud-u-like". In any event why is there an article on Drake circus shopping centre in the first place? why not have an article on very single shop in the UK - it seems ridiculous to include. 86.146.137.148 11:25, 31 October 2007 (UTC)resident of Drake Circus

Perhaps the raised blood pressure has prevented you from seeing that there are two articles. This one is specifically named Drake Circus Shopping Centre which refers directly to the shopping centre and another one Drake Circus which refers directly to the area. To me that differentiates one from the other. I fail to see what the argument is. ---- WebHamster 11:40, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

"I fail to see what the argument is" so you think to call our university campus a shopping centre is accurate? The semantics are crucial as this artcile in its present form is equivalent to an artcile being titled "Stanford University is superdrug". I could not care less that you want to spam the encyclopedia with banal references to the shops you are so eager to publicise all i ask is that you do so without linking it to the University or Arts Centre area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.137.148 (talk) 11:58, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

So you are taking exception to use of "Drake Circus" in relation to the shopping centre? Perhaps you should be using your time to lobby the council and the local commerce bureau rather than attempting to disrupt WP. Are you saying that the Uni takes up all of "Drake Circus" or are you exaggerating to make a point? I still fail to see how an article on Misplaced Pages is going to make a difference one way or the other. Like it or not the shopping centre has ended up with the name, by design or evolution isn't important. You're stuck with it. I suggest you learn to live with it. The chances are it'll still be there when you've left Uni and gone on to bigger and better things. meanwhile I suggest you concentrate on things that are far more important, like avoiding being a graduate working at the Spud-U-Like you despise so much. ---- WebHamster 15:42, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Drake Circusis the only fully covered shopping centre in the South West. It creates and provides jobs for local people which generates income tax to support the students and their studies. Perhaps you should not bite the hand that feeds and remember that unlike the students we actually provide a service to the community. Our name was taken from the old shopping mall and it is what we are known by to the many thousands of happy returning customers. If you feel strongly about this issue then i suggest the university changes it campus name to something more appropiate such as 'Tax-drain' or 'loser-ville' Paulatdccom 12:19, 31 October 2007 (UTC)Paul Rich----

"drake circus is the only fully covered shopping centre in the south west"

mmm so the Armada Shopping Centre is really only a mirage and that large complex housing sainsburys et all is in fact a hologram?

"Perhaps you should not bite the hand"

Methinks with 27,000 students that is exactly what you have done. The socio-economic impact of plymouth university on the local economy is enormous. Every organization in every sector can benefit from tapping into the vast pool of knowledge and skills we have established here

Tax-drain

This derisory comment, like the article, is barely worthy of comment - suffice to say that with 4000 overseas students each generating an average fee income of £7,000 amounting to an estimated £28,000,000 per annum I think you will find it generates a little more than a few shops in your mall selling tacky Chinese imports, particulary when you factor in the remaining 23,000 students who it is estimated generate a further £115,000,000 into the local economy.

The Drake Circus area has deep historical and cultural links to the heritage of Plymouth and to state or imply that it is nothing more than a shopping mall emphasizes the ridicule previously directed at this mis-informed article.Plymouth City Museum & Art Gallery —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.158.128.63 (talk) 13:27, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

--Spudulike--

Before i leave i could not help but observe the content on above the stub reads

"Spudulike is a British fast food franchise operation, begun in Edinburgh in 1974.It provides fresh and healthy food at a price which satisifes every budget and taste. The Plymouth store can be found at the DrakeCircus Shopping Centre, Charlotte Street, Plymouth, PL1 1EA Its product is baked potatoes (potatoes being known as 'spuds' in colloquial British English), with a wide range of fillings. Today it has a nationwide presence."

I see previous attempts to edit out the above content were blocked or removed by the same administrators who exercise their powers over this article. Out of interest could you enlighten others as to how this content improves or adds to their academic furtherance aside from stating the correct geographical location of the mall i.e Charlotte Street, (Bretonside). ... added by Special:Contributions/86.158.128.63

1. Please sign your comments (by hitting the "~" key four times in a row, and try to make them coherent. Before you save them, Show preview.
2. On this edit: No, this is not a blog. WP article talk pages work according to their own rules (amply explained elsewhere in this site), not according to blog conventions. -- Hoary 14:06, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Fair comment and apologies - my first time using this and i did say 'i'm not sure'. I think my point is made and i will leave it to the students union to address any further "pro-shopping centre -v- anti university" comments. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.158.128.63 (talk) 14:14, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, thank you for the apologies. But get a grip, man. I had no idea what you were banging on about with the "Spudulike" stuff. This appears to be a junk food chain, and it has its own article. The article was indeed crap. I edited it accordingly. In principle, you could have done exactly what I did. But because you're new here, you probably don't know this "{{fact}}" stuff. Well then, you could have asked about what to do about that article on its own talk page.

You say i will leave it to the students union to address any further "pro-shopping centre -v- anti university" comments. That's not very clear but I think I get the general drift. If you make gratuitously rude comments about a shopping mall in your town and identify yourself as a student, it's hardly surprising that somebody identifying himself as related to that shopping mall will make gratuitously rude comments right back. Running off to the SU strikes me as pathetic ("I'll get my big brother to beat you up!"): the SU is probably got their hands full with regular SU concerns (like putting a happy, healthy PR face on selling lots of booze to students). More seriously, there is no reason to believe anyone's claims to speak for the SU (or for the shopping mall, or for any other organization), and a anything looking like a serious attempt to represent the SU (or the any other organization) is very likely to run afoul of various rules here about usernames and so forth. So all in all you'd be wasting your time.

Back to this shopping centre. If you think it doesn't merit an article, you can nominate the article for deletion. (You'll have to prepare meticulously and argue your case, but university students should relish the intellectual opportunity. See WP:AFD on how to go about it.) If you think the article needs revision, you have two options. Either you can get a username, wait a few days, and use it to do the job directly; or you can explain cogently on this page what it is that you want edited, and how you want it edited. Either way, you're going to have to be persuasive and scrupulous. These are, of course, skills that university students will have in abundance.

If on the other hand you merely want to blow raspberries at a shopping mall you don't like, or at its proprietors, staff or customers, please do this somewhere else, for example on your own website. This site is an attempt at an encyclopedia; it's not a soapbox.

Ditto for anyone aligned with the shopping centre. If you want to be rude about the university or its students, fine, go ahead and speak your mind -- but not on this website. -- Hoary 14:47, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

User:Hoary|Hoary is speaking on behalf of Misplaced Pages and has stated "the SU is probably got their hands full with regular SU concerns (like putting a happy, healthy PR face on selling lots of booze to students)" Misplaced Pages has also gone on to state "This site is an attempt at an encyclopedia". Do you have the feintest notion of what the word 'encyclopedia' actaully means? The last time i checked it did not include a portal through which to direct insults at a students union.

"large C&A store. When that firm ceased trading in the UK the complex gradually became derelict."

LOL you mean when C&A went bust the popularity of the mall increased

"Drake Circus is a shopping centre in the centre of Plymouth"

Offensive and a blatant lie proved throughout countless references.

"If you think it doesn't merit an article, you can nominate the article for deletion"

From reading the history many people have tried however a certain few administrators keep removing the deletion tags and have now blocked the ability for anyone adversely affected by this offensive article from doing so.

"please do this somewhere else, for example on your own website. This site is an attempt at an encyclopedia; it's not a soapbox."

If you deleted the offensive and poisonous bile in this article then trust me none of us would be wasting our time here.

"Drake Circus was an Edwardian group of traditional shops"

LOL LOL - made me laugh as I looked out of the window of my Edwardian shop window this afternoon thinking how strange that I can see the drake circus medical school when this font of all knowledge states firstly it ‘was’ i.e. past tense blitzed in the war and secondly evidently it is a shopping centre and nothing else.

For the record I am one of the many small retailers in Drake Circus and I am not leaving either my name or my business name here because having witnessed what it has done to the malls reputation I do not want my goodwill also irreparably damaged. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.138.35.110 (talk) 16:57, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

User:Hoary|Hoary is speaking on behalf of Misplaced Pages / I hadn't realized this. I don't think that this is true. ¶ and has stated "the SU is probably got their hands full with regular SU concerns (like putting a happy, healthy PR face on selling lots of booze to students)" Misplaced Pages has also gone on to state "This site is an attempt at an encyclopedia". / No, it was me, and not Misplaced Pages, that stated the latter. ¶ Do you have the feintest notion of what the word 'encyclopedia' actaully means? / "Faintest"? Yes I do, actually. ¶ The last time i checked it did not include a portal through which to direct insults at a students union. / That is indeed true. Or to direct insults at a shopping mall. ¶ "Drake Circus is a shopping centre in the centre of Plymouth" Offensive and a blatant lie proved throughout countless references. / Hyperbole and bluster again. If something in an article is untrue, say so and give one or two credible references. ¶ "If you think it doesn't merit an article, you can nominate the article for deletion" / From reading the history many people have tried however a certain few administrators keep removing the deletion tags and have now blocked the ability for anyone adversely affected by this offensive article from doing so. / You clearly haven't taken the trouble to familiarize yourself with "WP:AFD". This is the only channel open for nominating this article for deletion, and as long as this link is red we know it has never been taken. Following it requires a lot more than applying a deletion template. Rise to the challenge, or at least stop moaning about your imagined impotence. (NB you'll have to read and think before nominating, if you want to succeed. "I don't like it", or variations thereof, will be laughed off.) Meanwhile, administrators have not blocked anyone's ability to edit this article. Anyone can get a username and wait a few days for it to mature. ¶ "please do this somewhere else, for example on your own website. This site is an attempt at an encyclopedia; it's not a soapbox." / If you deleted the offensive and poisonous bile in this article then trust me none of us would be wasting our time here. Explain concisely, coherently and persuasively just what is "offensive and poisonous bile", and it will be removed. ¶ I looked out of the window of my Edwardian shop window this afternoon thinking how strange that I can see the drake circus medical school when this font of all knowledge states firstly it ‘was’ i.e. past tense blitzed in the war and secondly evidently it is a shopping centre and nothing else. / It's very possible that what you're saying is true. However, anybody here can claim to be anybody and to see anything from anywhere: such claims aren't worth the electrons they're printed on. Provide a link to a page that backs up what you're saying. Alternatively, provide photographic evidence. ¶ For the record I am one of the many small retailers in Drake Circus and I am not leaving either my name or my business name here because having witnessed what it has done to the malls reputation I do not want my goodwill also irreparably damaged. / Nobody has asked you for your name or your business name. A quick look will show you that the huge majority of contributors to this site choose a username more or less arbitrarily and obtain a degree of credibility here not via the claims they make for themselves or their authority but via the solidity of their contributions. Incidentally, I'm amazed to read that an article here has done anything to affect a mall's reputation (or revenues). -- Hoary 00:15, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

"The chances are it'll still be there when you've left Uni and gone on to bigger and better things. meanwhile I suggest you concentrate on things that are far more important, like avoiding being a graduate working at the Spud-U-Like you despise so much. ---- WebHamster 15:42, 31 October 2007 (UTC)" Yet more invaluable and constructive advice from Wickipedia People here have no issue with the local authority over this matter as their street signs, records, rating assessements etc all clearly seperate drake circus from drakecircus shopping centre. The only place that misprepresents the truth is here and indeed somebody from the local authority has attempted many times to correct this gross misrepresentation but thanks to sad old failed band members such as yourself those edits are constantly vandalised. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.138.35.110 (talk) 17:58, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

• • let's get something straight from the off. I don't work for the Wikimedia Foundation, I don't work for Misplaced Pages and I don't represent Misplaced Pages. I only represent myself. My comments are from me, no-one else. I'd be grateful if you'd stop referring to anything I state as "coming from Misplaced Pages" because that is incorrect. Now, as I've said before your grudge has nothing to do with Misplaced Pages. All it does is state what editors have written and backed up with citations. If you can do better then do so as Hoary has advised. The fact that you can't currently edit the article directly is due to the childish behaviour of someone who is presumably a member of the SU (attempting to pass as a legal professional). As Hoary has gone to great lengths to explain, anyone can edit any article so long as they can back up what they are writing with references from reliable sources. So as Hoary says, quit whinging, get a grip and start editing responsibly. Incidentally, I'm not a musicican, I never have been. Likewise I've never been in a band, failed or otherwise. If this is evidence of your research methods expect to get a lot of what you write deleted. ---- WebHamster 01:51, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Yet more invaluable and constructive advice from Wickipedia / No, from User:WebHamster. And the name's "Misplaced Pages", actually. ¶ . . . misprepresents the truth . . . gross misrepresentation . . . constantly vandalised / While you're moaning away here, somebody else is adding to the article, and providing references. I have no idea if User:Dilapidated is a "sad old failed band member" -- What prompted that bizarre remark, anyway? -- but I have no reason to think that he or she has any particular resemblance to User:WebHamster. ¶ Suggestion: Cut the moaning, get usernames, use them, and revise and improve this article so that it represents the facts, of course providing evidence to prove it. (See this.) -- Hoary 00:59, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I too would be interested to hear the silverstalls views on this subject particularly as they were the last shop to leave the old drake circus and one of the current shops in Drake circus. http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=jewellery+plymouth&btnG=Search&meta= The google local search result shows an entry @silverstall 12 Drake circus plymouth. Results in google local are only indexed once the address has been verified i.e. by the premises physically returning a card. http://www.silverstall.com/contact-the-silverstall.html confirms they have a shop in Drake circus and yet they are not in the shopping mall. Countless previous references and citations all of which have been deleted by a few corrupt and self-serving administrators show that beyond all doubt Drake Circus is an area that is unique and distinct from the shopping mall yet they insist on publishing a bold and inaccurate statement that Drake Circus is a shopping centre purely for their own gain - be it a financial interest in promoting the shops therein or a peverse pleasure in warping the truth to create controversy to satisfy their own sad and empty lives. What is intresting is the only site i could find that supports its statements with real and up to date images is http://www.plymouth-england.com/drake-circus.html ( a site which shows up on page 1 of google for 'drake circus' ) yet reference to it is constantly deleted by the administraotrs in favour of sites such as spud-u-like which itself shows the real and true address of the shopping mall CATHERINE STREET Bretonside. As a Plymouthian i would say that when you mention Drake Circus some people do assume you mean the shopping centre whilst some better inormed people assume you mean the University area. Many assume that when you say Big Ben you are referring to the clock tower - when in fact it is the Bell - while the informed will know it is St.Stephens tower. Professional encyclopedia editors are responsible enough to publish St.Stephens Tower and not follow the populist and incorrect misconception. Likewise they would for the same reason publish Drake Circus the area and not some tacky mall - that is of course unless they had a corrupt reason for doing so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.151.171.40 (talk) 13:04, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

It must be really depressing to make a point only to find out that the analogy being used is totally erroneous. As I like to educate and inform I feel it necessary to correct people's misunderstandings. Big Ben, the bell, is not in St Stephen's tower and never has been. But then we "encyclopedia editors are responsible enough" (none of whom are "professional") to NOT do you as say. I do hope that this is not indicative of the sort of thing being taught in today's educational establishments. I do hope that you now feel the cosy warmth of knowing something you didn't previously know. You see, Misplaced Pages can be a positive influence after all! ---- WebHamster 13:57, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I am shocked to the core of my being to read of Countless previous references and citations all of which have been deleted by a few corrupt and self-serving administrators. I'm sure you can easily count to a hundred, and infer that these evil people have deleted over one hundred. It's as plain as day that for administrators to delete Countless previous references and citations is absolutely intolerable. Of course you shouldn't stand for this appalling behavior, but should instead report it, at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. (Minor point: You will have to provide clear evidence.) -- Hoary 13:18, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/42587 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.151.171.40 (talk) 14:10, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Troll 1 = "the bell, is not in St Stephen's tower and never has been. But then we encyclopedia editors are responsible"

st stephens tower

• Sorry to disappoint, yet again, but the website you linked to is incorrect. It's correct name is The Clock Tower. St Stephen's Tower is towards the middle of the Houses of Parliament hence the reason for its alternate title - Central Tower. I do hope that if you wish to contribute further to Misplaced Pages that the quality of your research improves. ---- WebHamster 14:46, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Troll 2 = Since when (aside from this joke of an encyclopedia) has the word "countless" meant 100?

DRAKE CIRCUS IS NOT JUST A SHOPPING CENTRE

• Yes, you are quite correct, which is why there is a Drake Circus article too. You did know that didn't you? Or have your research skills failed you yet again? ---- WebHamster 14:46, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

jesus there is no limit of ignorance with this troll - how do you think i found this page !!!!!!!!! it was through the link to it from the other page. I will repeat the points you are so desperate to hijack:- 1. http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=jewellery+plymouth&btnG=Search&meta= The google local search result shows an entry @silverstall 12 Drake circus plymouth. Results in google local are only indexed once the address has been verified i.e. by the premises physically returning a card. http://www.silverstall.com/contact-the-silverstall.html confirms they have a shop in Drake circus and yet they are not in the shopping mall. 2.http://www.plymouth-england.com/drake-circus.html ( a site which shows up on page 1 of google for 'drake circus' ) yet reference to it is constantly deleted by the administraotrs in favour of sites such as spud-u-like which itself shows the real and true address of the shopping mall CATHERINE STREET Bretonside. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.151.171.40 (talk) 15:04, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

• It looks like your complaint should be with Google not Misplaced Pages. WP does not control what Google indexes or how it is indexed. Google indexes are not verified by anyone and there is no requirement to do so as it its virtually totally automated. Rather than commit any more faux pas I suggest you click on Drake Circus then click on Drake Circus Shopping Centre and then report back on your findings. Meanwhile it may be prudent to reflect on the fact that Misplaced Pages is not spelt G-O-O-G-L-E. Likewise you should also understand that you seem to be confusing "administrators" with "editors". Anyone can delete material from articles as well as add it, it does not require administrator privileges. Additionally you should think about the fact that you are more likely to be taken seriously if you didn't commit puerile, childish and misspelled vandalism on other editor's user pages. ---- WebHamster 15:15, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Please stop!

Before this degenerates into all-out war, please stop and look at the article. I've edited it to include some of User:Yiwentang's concerns. If it's not accurate, someone will correct it. This is what you should have done before you got blocked - Misplaced Pages is about cooperation, not shouting. Smalljim 15:19, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

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