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10:40, 1 July 2007 you changed the title of the single. The title is in Japanese. You will see that if you look at the obi or side of the single. I consider the English to be part of the artwork. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.164.162.51 (talk)

The English version of the band's official website offers translations for most of song titles and since this is an English language encyclopedia, we give preference to those. - Cyrus XIII 21:30, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

There is no translation for that title on the official site.--Rockman240 12:17, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually, there is. - Cyrus XIII 14:03, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Ah. My mistake. "white summer and green bicycle, red hair with black guiter."--Rockman240 12:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

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Death of Peter Lyman

Your request for a reference for the death of Peter Lyman was a correct, but it would not have been difficult for you to find the obituary. I merely followed the link to his home page and then went to the webpage of his department, and I found an announcement of his passing . I think it is a gracious service to the grieving for us to perfom such verification ourselves rather than just disputing what is surely a significant loss to them. If no obituary can easily be found, we should remove the information per WP:BLP rather than tagging it as disputed. — Carl (CBM · talk) 14:47, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually this request was geared towards Lyman's advisorship of Boyd, not his passing. I'm truly sorry if this appeared insensitive towards the grieving. - Cyrus XIII 14:58, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I see. I misunderstood. I added references for that and for Lyman's passing. — Carl (CBM · talk) 15:13, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Mediation

Thanks, I've now left a message for Riana about the issue. -- Renesis (talk) 15:41, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

July 2007

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Music of Final Fantasy VII. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content which gains a consensus among editors. Kariteh 13:13, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm perfectly aware of the 3RR, thanks. May I direct your attention towards another guideline? During our recent disagreement you have repeatedly introduced redundant information and tags, as well as practically empty sections to several articles. In connection with certain somewhat sarcastic quips in your edit summaries and your obviously strong opinions regarding the "Redemption" dispute in general, this might be considered disruptive and subsequently point-making, which could actually get you into trouble. I'm not going to report you (provided you stay clear of WP:3RR), but take my friendly advise and try a more laid-back and collaborative approach. Right now, you are not at all improving the articles in question and nobody really needs to stress out over that kind of thing. - Cyrus XIII 14:04, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Pong

While I agree on the lowercase format, the regulars at the PONG entry do not. Just a heads up. Just64helpin 09:50, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, that's no surprise. I'm in this kind of situation all the time and pleasing the local mob of ... maybe a tad biased fans was never one of my strong points. Let's see how it turns out. In the meantime, would you help me out editing the remaining links to the redirect? - Cyrus XIII 09:54, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

To clarify, I personally moved the article to Pong under the same rationale. You can guess what happened after that. BTW, please contact me directly for replies. I'll be notified much quicker that way. Just64helpin 10:46, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Song / single

Where is the "naming covention" page? Seems a bit strange that the D'espairsRay single "Garnet" is titled as "Garnet (song)" and the single "Gemini" is titled "Gemini (single)" (not saying you're wrong ofcourse, just would like to read about it) Cjlawrence89 14:38, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Usually Misplaced Pages articles are rather about songs than singles, even if they were released as a single and are denoted as such in the article lead. Subsequently, there is a WikiProject Songs and categories collecting musical pieces by certain artists are named " songs". This is because a lot of songs have sufficient notability for their own Misplaced Pages article, even though they were never released as a single (quite a few songs by The Beatles, for example). By referring to songs in article titles and categories, we avoid having two systems. (See also: Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Music/MUSTARD/Disambiguation)

The "Gemini" single is the odd one out though, since it is not named after any of its tracks but the first song, "Fuyuu Shita Risou" later appeared on the Coll:set album in a typical single/A-side fashion. Since there is no song called "Gemini", it would not be accurate to have the article at "Gemini (song)" but unlike those other releases I categorized as EPs, I'd say "Gemini" is still a single. - Cyrus XIII 17:59, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Music of Final Fantasy X

Hello. You undid my revision on the Music of Final Fantasy X page. I believe the album titles should be on the tables because for 1: That's the way it is on all the other "Music of Final Fantasy" pages (I realize that's not rock solid argument, but argument non the less). 2: The article is about multiple albums, so the tables should be explicitly named. Even if they are in a subsection containing the album name. Right know the article has no less than 7 tables with the exact same name. Further more, being collapsed collapsibles, It is not a bit inconvenient to find out which table we are looking at without checking the section we are in. Adding the album info can only add to the article, and make it's browsing easier, even if the info is redundant. Wouldn't you agree? Happypal 14:34, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I believe you mean Music of Final Fantasy VII, not the one for FFX. To answer your question right away: No, I don't agree. The average Misplaced Pages reader certainly won't find it too challenging to correlate the (only) track listing provided in a section with the album the respective section was named after and as you said it yourself, precedents on related pages make for a weak argument, especially since these are easily superseeded by the vast majority of articles under the scope of WikiProject Albums, which regularly opt for the term "Track listing". - Cyrus XIII 15:11, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I meant Music of Final Fantasy VII, sorry. "The average Misplaced Pages reader certainly won't find it too challenging to correlate". Of course, I wasn't saying we're idiots either! Just that it's more convenient to have the info right there on the table, rather than have to scroll up first and then find it. Anywhoo, you're probably right, according to guideline. I just wanted to say that I DO think the article DOES look better with it, and is more browser friendly, even if it goes against guidelines. bye Happypal 15:30, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Re:Oshare Kei

Well, I think that a subsection to the Visual Kei page should be added about Oshare Kei, something describing the bright colours and the happier more pop-oriented styles, but not too in depth. After that, create a re-direct out of the page. I'm sure many pages on WP link to Oshare Kei, and many people will see the term and reference WP for it, so making it redirect to Visual Kei would be the best solution for now.--Jacob 02:48, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, if information can't be sourced anywhere reliable, then maybe at least a redirect from Oshare to Visual? Information wouldn't be added, but at least acknowledgment that it is similar to Visual Kei, but not differing enough to get its own mention.--Jacob 22:09, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

System of a down

You might not be aware of any local or Wikpedia-wide consensus to keep horrendously cluttered infoboxes. No one is aware of this, but there's no consensus on removing refs from infoboxes yet... Now it's just an opinion... The refs are there for a long time, the refs are there for a reason. Discuss this issue instead of removing info.

You might not like horrendously cluttered infoboxes, but that's no reason to change the content. A lot of people have discussed the best way to reflect SoaD's genres, and you are destroying this work. The infobox contained references, of course if you don't like it you can edit it, but don't remove the genres. Discuss this issue instead of removing info.

And if you don't want uncited information then please search for sources instead of deleting information. The tags were put there a few day ago. Discuss this issue instead of removing info.

I'm reverting your edit 1 more time hoping the next time you'll discuss your concerns. Thank you Emmaneul 13:42, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

A few points you might want to consider:

• I'm not going to quote the 46 lines/3,7 KB of code the infobox had before I edited it, to illustrate the problem. The fact that the "Years_active" parameter was in it twice, as well as a HTML comment that asks why all the references need to be crammed into it already shows quite well how the box was becoming near-unmaintainable.
• As infoboxes usually just summarize data which already appears in the actual article, there is no point in having hard to maintain infobox/citation template hybrids, as any information likely to be disputed will have to come with a source in the article body anyway.
• According to Misplaced Pages:Verifiability, uncited information may be removed by any editor at any time. This goes double for articles that are biographical in nature. Content in need of citations may, but does not have to be tagged as such.
• I did not remove well referenced content from the article, I merely moved and re-arranged it for the convenience of my fellow editors and our readers.
• No editor has to ask for permission on a talk page, before performing good faith edits, especially if they provide a comprehensive rationale in the respective edit summary. You may always question this rationale either through a talk page post or edit summaries of your own but "you can't do that, you didn't discuss this first" is not proper reasoning, especially if these knee-jerk reverts re-introduce problematic (in this case unreferenced) material. Also note that this kind of behavior may raise ownership concerns.

All that being said, I hope you will take a more laid-back approach on this matter after your 3RR block is over. Have a nice day - Cyrus XIII 16:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, nice points, now I'd like to provide a few points you might want to consider:

• Please discuss matters that are controversial. I think the following links clearly show SoaD's genre is not something that had to be changed or removed without discussion: , , , , , , , , and .

• Refs in infoboxes result in accuracy and stability in some cases. Like I said earlier, I agree that there is a need for improvement, but the refs were there for a reason. There have been a zillion edit wars, editors were changing genres daily. The addition of refs in the infobox had a positive impact on the article resulting in less unfavorable changes and less reverting. Maintainability and infobox aesthetics were less important than accuracy and stability in this case.

• Give editors a chance to provide references. Like you said WP:VER states that uncited information may be removed by any editor at any time. WP:VER also states: "but editors may object if you remove material without giving them a chance to provide references. If you want to request a source for an unsourced statement, consider moving it to the talk page". I think this may apply to content with a {{fact|date=July 2007}} tag. Removing content simply because it may be removed is something that makes me think of WP:POINT.

I'm happy to see you finally engaged in a discussion and the infobox is back to its previous state. Emmaneul 15:08, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Something you might be interested in

Not very fluent in the visual kei field, sorry :P ~Ambrosia- 03:22, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Confused...

Thanks for the compliment, but I don't really understand it...
It's just both you and Deckiller are using pronouns. Were talking Music of FFVII right? I think Dec was complimenting me on "the previous, floating versions" (and I think by that floating=collapsible right?). The new version which I put just put in is the one I am not satisfied with. Is that what you like? I'm sorry I'm not really quite sure what you are talking about. Could you talk about it on my page or WP:FF?Happypal 19:24, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Untitled stuff

Nice job cleaning up the Untitled dab and the titles of the listed articles. Thanks for going to the trouble :) Propaniac 01:24, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Sure, no problem. I just hope I didn't step on any toes when I went around those articles to introduce that somewhat standardized approach towards (really) untitled works. I also made a new formatting template to enter a plain "Untitled album" (without italics) into album infoboxes (see here), but I'm not sure how to get rid of the quotes around the title of a single box (probably using an album box with single coloring). - Cyrus XIII 09:52, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Not to start a conflict, but...

I was just curious why you reverted Dir en grey discography back to list format? The full release dates were on the page of the album/single/remix album/compilation album. I was trying to make it more wikified, and it was a lot of hard work that you just reverted. *silver* 14:43, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

As I already wrote in my edit summaries, a plain release title + release date scenario does not justify the addition of tables. They are not just a lot harder to create but also to maintain and should not come into consideration, until the per-release information has reached a certain critical mass (in other words, columns). - Cyrus XIII 16:15, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I actually was going to add "Record label" to the mass, and for the singles, I was going to add "Album/EP." But I see your point, and I shall stop bickering. *silver* 16:24, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Laura Dawn Myspace

". Then I got a solo record deal on extasy/warner brothers and in 1999, put out an album called "Believer". It was a bunch of songs I wrote when I was 25 or so, all about moving to New York City with $300 bucks in my pocket and living at the YMCA and then in a squat with east german artists and drug addicts in the East Village back when the East Village was actually still a rather scary and edgy (and in my mind, exciting) place to live. I co-produced the album with Ted Niceley (yes, the man who produced FUGAZI, and a genius and a teddy bear). A lot of people loved it. Reviews were good. SPIN magazine said it was a "...sweetly vicious debut, which is equal parts power pop and sugary punk, like Siouxsie Sioux meets Jewel". My record label went under while I was making my second album, which never got finished."

There, in the biography, thanks for reading it. You are tireless contributor Cyrus, but sometimes you're edits are plain stubborn.

Re: Weekend

You're welcome! I trust you enjoyed Wacken (I watched the stream online most of the day). Anything new to contribute to the Wacken Open Air page? --Jacob 01:40, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

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Dir en grey genre related issues

Hello, as I'm sure you've seen and attempted to deal with, the user Iori has been adding the terms "Visual Kei" and "screamo" to many of the Dir en grey articles. He/she has been inadvertently breaking the three-revert rule (by never utilizing the undo button), and possibly has been reduced to point-making. I would like to seek your third opinion, what should be added and what should not? Are there any policies that can be cited as to why Visual Kei cannot be added, as I am sure the user in question does not accept the simple obvious responses given to him on many occasions. --Jacob 03:54, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Re:Your recent edits to Dir en grey related articles

I just wonder why a 25 years old guy is always there, like 24/7, to throw away my collaborations -- when I'm actually collaborating. You don't need to reply. iori

Report

I am tired of you wikistalking me. I gave up and reported you. ] What you are doing to wikipedia is damaging edits, removing perfectly good sources, and constantly pushing revert wars. Denaar 12:56, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Sicko (again)

Is Noroton correct to revert you on Controversies over the film Sicko, bringing that page back into use? Several criticisms and sources have been included on the main Sicko page but it's not a quote farm unlike the page Noroton created. smb 18:53, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Along with a consensus to merge the article, most editors also agreed on the piracy and Cuba issues being the only substantial controversies surrounding the film. Hence no undue expansion of the controversy section should happen before further discussion suggests otherwise, let alone re-opening the separate controversies page. - Cyrus XIII 20:00, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

sicko controversies article

The consensus of a couple of handfuls of editors to merge was defective in that it violated NPOV. We can edit war or you can let me change the article to meet some of the objections because I'm going to bring it up for reconsideration. I'm more than happy to do either route. Noroton 19:45, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Stating that something violates WP:NPOV because you happen to disagree with it - brilliant logic, once again. And yes, you will have to bring this up at Talk:Sicko (film) again, unless of course you'd like to get into trouble for disrespecting consensus. - Cyrus XIII 19:56, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the personal attack! Noroton 20:10, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

What nerve. smb 21:37, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Music Excerpts

I noticed you were responsible for all those little pieces of music on the MoFFVII page. Since I also want to add some to other articles, I wanted some of your help. Just to double check:

• Music is the least of 30 seconds or 10% of the total track for fair use
• Tracks should be encoded in ogg, with a q0.0 quality (vbr 64kbps)

Also, what program do you use? Thanks for the help. happypal (Talk | contribs) 21:33, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I use Audacity for cutting and fading and then the "oggenc" command (from the vorbis-tools package, as I use Ubuntu Linux) to convert the *.wav. files to *.ogg files (which I probably not a clever thing to do, since Audacity might support Ogg export right away. But this way, I can make sure that the -q 0 option is used.) Shall we stick with the one-sample-per-CD formula I used for the FF7 page? - Cyrus XIII 21:42, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I believe we should use a minimum of 1 excerpt per CD. CDs with more notability should get more. I don't believe that those little promotional CDs should get any, unless they contain some special tracks. So in that regard, the FFVII article is perfect (I think) in amounts of excerpts per album. But it's definitely a per CD thing.

I'll try out Audacity, and use foobar2000 for the encoding (it uses the ogg commandline encoder, so its's the same thing I guess).

I suppose there's no standard for the tagging, as long as it's coherent? happypal (Talk | contribs) 22:16, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Visual Kei Articles

Cyrus, I notice there is some unrest regarding your continued editing of the Visual kei band articles. I also think you're being unreasonable in your demands for prime sources. Would you agree to mediation on this topic? Pkeets 04:46, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for my late reply, a lot came up over the weekend. To answer your quesion, if you are referring to mediation, in the sense of WP:M, then I'd say that the recent "unrest" as you call it, does not quite qualify for this kind of procedure, neither in scope nor in its stage of dispute resolution. And while my preferred by-the-book approach towards matters of verifiability might not be too popular with certain people, it's still how things are essentially supposed to work on Misplaced Pages.

I am aware that articles about Japanese pop-culture present a higher challenge when it comes to locating appropriate references, due to a barrier in language and sometimes culture. But this still does not justify resorting to sources that would be shunned in connection with subjects that do not present similar obstacles. Of course, this may mean for certain articles to turn out rather brief, it's unfortunate, but also hardly the end of the world. As a certain (Japanese) pop-culture figure said, "the net is vast and infinite", in the sense that there are plenty of projects on the web (some even dedicated specifically to the topics we've been discussing), that appreciate fresh input and also take a different approach towards verifiability than Misplaced Pages.

In other words: People who consider fansites, YouTube or commercial pages (in a potentially self-serving context) acceptable sources for information should probably just frequent these venues and be happy with them, instead of demanding from one of the world's largest projects dedicated to the accumulation of knowledge to lower its standards for them. That would seem rather unreasonable to me. - Cyrus XIII 00:15, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

That is not where the sources are coming from, the biggest source is located directly at tower records, one of the biggest music stores in Japan (along with HMV) and major Japanese music industry companies such as Barks, and Oricon. The reliable English references simply say similar things, you have no reference for your claims, only your opinion. From your comments, it is clear you do not speak Japanese, have no knowledge on Japanese music, or the history of Visual Kei genre. I am glad, that more users worked hard to find reliable English sources, to accompany Japanese sources, and the meaning of the term "Visual Kei" explained. Since you continued to remove the update (with dictionary source) that Kei means System, and has nothing to do with Style. I leave you with a quote from "The Simpsons" character Nelson "Ha Ha"

Sicko.

I reverted your redirect. For one, there has been no use of the talk page in two months, and no consensus there for the redirect. There is an active debate going on at the main sicko page, that also shows there is no consensus for a redirect.

More importantly, your redirect, without merging the information into the main article, constitutes blanking and removal of sourced information. That's entirely unacceptable.

I don't edit the articles, and couldn't care less either way about Michael Moore. If you want to redirect the controversy page, you have to merge the material into the main Sicko article first before redirecting. ⇒ SWATJester 19:20, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

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Luna Sea visual kei

I'd like to know why you changed the genre of Luna Sea in their article page, since I puted a relieble source that states their music style is visual kei and explains why and you have no source that their music style is hard rock or progressive rock. iori —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.29.110.96 (talk) 20:51, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

The infoboxes for musical artists or albums/singles are supposed to contain music genres. In the absence of any verifiable, defining musical characteristics of visual kei, it would be inappropriate to use the term in those boxes. (Subsequently, the phrasing "visual kei band", like one would write "punk rock band" or "euro beat musician", is probably similarly misguiding.) There have been disputes among editors on this issue before, but the reliable sources that have been brought forward either describe visual kei with visual characteristics alone or even explicitly point out, that artists associated with visual kei may pertain to any music genre. In that light, still calling it a music genre of its own would be quite a contradiction, which is obviously not in the best interest of our readers. Also note that the band you messaged me about regularly performed songs from its entire back catalog even after opting for a more casual look, without any significant changes in instrumentation or arrangement.

As for the JRock Revolution blog as a source, I must admit that I have not too much confidence in its reliability, give that the people who post on it only stand for their writing through obvious nick names and the event the page was initially meant to promote lies months back. Even if ties to the festival's artists, or the respective management are still strong, the Yoshiki-Skin-Sugizo-Luna Sea connection is already quite a stretch and that affiliation would still make those blog posts vanity press. This renders a lot of information coming from the site potentially self-serving and we should rather opt for professional and independent third party references.

Lastly, should you sincerely disagree with the assertion, that the music performed by Luna Sea can be categorized as hard or progressive rock, feel free to reduce it to "rock", if you consider this a necessary improvement of the article. - Cyrus XIII 22:16, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I desagree with you. Yes, visual kei is first a moviment that includes many rock music styles. But once there are many bands in this moviment that play centain sonorities that share a few specific musical characteristics it is correct to say that there are a few visual kei musical styles. One that truly know the early works of LUNA SEA, D'ERLANGER, Kuroyume, Dir en grey, Due'le quartz, Madeth Gray'll and many others must be neglecter to say there wasn't some new sounds going on this moviment or to say all these bands did can just be labeled with Western labels. I don't have enough English language knowlage to explain it in words, but that Jrock Revolution article says something about it.

I also think that it's arbitrary of you to say Jrock Revolution isn't a relieble source. It's not a blog, it's an official site linked to famous and important artists from j-rock and visual kei. Who's your superior in Misplaced Pages?

Finally, I'll remove the terms "hard rock" and "progressive rock" from LUNA SEA's page becuse I think it improves the article once what they did is very different from the sounds linked to those labels. I'll remove it specially because there's no source on that. You have re-added the terms without any source. iori —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iori (talk • contribs) 15:25, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Cyrus XIII has already been proven wrong about Visual Kei, Luna Sea should be mentioned as Visual Kei. As they are one of the big names from the genre. There are sources for it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.90.183.23 (talk) 08:36, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Jun Kaneko, if you are not too busy "touring Japan", kindly take the time to log in with your Misplaced Pages account, before you post on my talk page. And (as always) sign your comments. - Cyrus XIII 10:29, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

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NiGHTS

Hello. I was just curious, why are you editing the name in the article from 'NiGHTS' to 'Nights'? If I am not mistaken, I believe the Misplaced Pages guideline only falls for title, not character names. 'NiGHTS' is the official name for the character, not 'Nights', so at least in the article 'NiGHTS' should be spelled as so. A little confusing to newbies to NiGHTS who do not know that 'NiGHTS' is proper, I'm afraid. NNR07 22:23, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

According to WP:MOSCAPS#Mixed_or_non-capitalization, the stylized capitalization should be mentioned in the opening line of the article, but everywhere else, it should follow normal English rules for capitalization. For names, this means an initial capital letter, followed by lowercase letters. Neier 07:10, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Alright. That is still rather confusing, but it is official. However, I have another question to ask.: Why are you removing the fan-sites? It's really pissing a good amount of people off, especially do to the fact that fansites are allowed to be linked in an article, and NiD.com is very well known to practically all NiGHTS fans who have an internet access. The site also contains much more information on the game than wikipedia has, or is allowed to offer because people will request citation, and a good amount of the Japanese Translations came from there as well. Also, according to the W:EL.: Sites with other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article, such as reviews and interviews. . Nightsintodreams.com does in-fact give a lot of that said information, in particular, in the 'NiD for Newbies' section. NNR07 10:56, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Per WP:EL, we link to fansites, if they clearly serve an immediate purpose for our readers, such as providing content relevant to the article's subject, they would not be able to find on official sites or in magazines. That might include original interviews or translations of articles/interviews into English from another language (i.e. stuff from Famitsu). The brief description of the external link should reflect that purpose. Just linking to a fansite on a nice-to-have basis immediately raises concerns in regards to WP:NPOV and WP:NOT (those bits about Misplaced Pages not being a repository/soapbox). - Cyrus XIII 15:15, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I still see Nightsintodreams.com as being probably the most relevant site for information on the game, bypassing the actual article by far. Would it be alright, however, to link to the 'NiD for Newbies' section, because the section goes into more depth about the game, and the site itself has a real lot of interviews that are hard to find and not in the article at the moment. The 'article' section goes into more depth about this, with several interviews from magazines that are defunct. NNR07 19:38, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

FYI, I put in a request for semiprot for both of the game pages. Neier 00:36, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Free Will

The recent arrests are relevant to all the bands signed under the label, use the talk page before editing, as there are two reliable sources from major news companies. No other information has been added, apart from what the news states, including the recent confessions.. You don't like what has happended, but it does not give you the right to remove information with reliable sources. Further removal of this information, will result in you being reported for edit warring. This information is directly related to Dir en grey, and all other bands signed under the label. 122.49.137.61 10:07, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

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Re:Hydra

As far as I can tell, there hasn't been anything mentioned about the US release, although I'm sure one will be available. I added some information on the European releases obtained here, and I don't know if I would include the missing track just yet, as it could be, and most likely is simply an error. That seems a little odd to cut a track like that out from a non-domestic release. --Jacob 12:07, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: too many in one edit to see what was done

Got your message and I understand your point.

In general, I agree with you and I don't mind large bold edits when they are well supported. The thing that caused me to write that edit summary... was that as part of your bold changes, you removed a couple references. If you would be willing to separate your edits that remove references from your other bold edits, that would help me (and maybe others) to respond more clearly to your work, and would make it easier not to revert other elements you add that may well be just fine.

I have no desire to interfere with your editing, and I recognize that some or maybe all of what you added could be good for the article. But when combined with the removing of references, it caused a concern for me. Sorry if there was a misunderstanding on the edit summary. --Parsifal _Hello 20:44, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Cyrus, I just happened to follow this from Parsifal's talk out of curiosity, and thought I'd add a comment. I, too, like to make large amounts of minor copy-edits in one go, for vairous reasons. However, I've found that it helps a lot to be careful about certain things - like references or cites that might get removed, or info that might get a slight change in meaning. When I feel that an edit like that is required, I always save it for a separate edit, so I can justify it separately, and so it can be reverted more easily. You've prolly come up with this obvious idea yourself, but I just want to say: it really really helps on some articles! :) Eaglizard 20:12, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, I guess a few more point-by-point rationales on the respective talk pages won't hurt. How does that sound? - Cyrus XIII 03:01, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

That's a good plan, but the extra work might not be needed every time. My main concern with the particular edit I mentioned was that references were removed. That makes it really confusing to see if there was a problem with a reference, or if it was an unintended side-effect of changing some text.

Maybe it would work better to just separate out edits that remove footnotes, that way, the edit summary can explain why the reference was removed - for example if it's an unreliable source, self-published, or a commercial link, etc...

I'm not trying to make extra work for you, or for anyone. It's just that finding good references is pretty much the hardest part of editing, so once they are in an article, unless there's a problem with them, they're valuable and deserve some extra attention.

Just a suggestion, I'm sure we can work it out as we go. Thanks for considering my comments. --Parsifal _Hello 06:41, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

User:Jun Kaneko

Hey, getting back to you on the issue on the Dir en grey page over the semantics of "world fame". I think what he has done is vandalism at this point. While at the first offense, it's an understandable edit, he has very nearly (and possibly will) pushed a revert war. If it were mentioned on the talk page, that may draw him from breaking the 3RR. --Jacob 19:36, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

This is not an insult, but you need to learn more about Japanese music, and discover musicians which you evidently do not know about. 122.49.157.149 12:47, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

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Re: Deus (band)

I do have it watchlisted. I've recently been accused of reverting too much without discussion, so I'm trying to avoid doing too much of that. I was hoping we'd be able to convince User:Elice that the current guideline applies to the article.

While I have you, I'm not sure I agree with your change to the MUSTARD page. We have discussed this previously, see Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Music/MUSTARD/Archive 1#Capitalization 2. --PEJL 17:28, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I did not quite remember that the two of us previously discussed this (albeit briefly but on the very same talk page nonetheless), my apologies. Yet, my current foray into making WP:MUSTARD more explicit largely stems from more recent changes to WP:MOS-CL#Mixed or non-capitalization, which now very generally mentions proper names, hence it covers both kinds of personal names, birth names and stage names (addressing the concerns you mentioned in June, regarding the conflation of standards). Just like the bit of WP:MUSTARD that I modified accordingly, that section also links to WP:MOS-TM. By the way, I am still considering a proposal to turn WP:MOS-TM into a more generally themed entity (something like "Manual of Style (names and titles)"), what's your opinion on that? - Cyrus XIII 01:52, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

I see. Thanks for clarifying, I wasn't aware that WP:MOS-CL had changed since June. A general guideline on titles sounds like a very good idea, it's something I've been also thinking we should have. --PEJL 02:44, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Biblical

I am in agreement with your comments of Oct. 17 at # where you state that you felt capitalization of Biblical (on a par with Vedic, Talmudic, Quranic, Avestan, etc.) was appropriate, and even called for by the style guide. You may have noticed that this has since blown up into an RfC at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Bible, causing a proactive editor to revise the policy at MOSCAPS to actualyl allow tolerance for the almost-never-seen forms "vedic" and "talmudic", as optional to "Vedic" and "Talmudic", while at the same time insisting that the only allowable adjectival form of "Bible" is "biblical", contary to some prominent dictionaries and style guides. This seems flagrantly non-neutral, even biased, to me, and I was wondering if you could clarify your opinion at that RfC. It was also just hinted that I am the only one who feels this way, but as I said, I did agree with your earlier take on it. Thanks Til Eulenspiegel 18:15, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

My 'rationale'

My rationale was that its fucking annoying grow some balls eh leave it alone-what your gonna block me for that? you are so pathetic with your warnings-im just trying to make it look normal aight dont bother Ash48GotdaLife 02:13, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

what

gotdalife means i 'got da life' even though it is one of my favorite korn songs its not titled after it, and yeh im supportive of their desicions-my dad went to school wit them but it should be italicized —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ash48GotdaLife (talk • contribs) 21:12, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Album titles

For my purposes, what part of WP:MUSTARD#Formatting states the album should not be in italics. I saw your report over at ANI and I want to be clear in case I need to add an album or such in the future. Thanks! spryde | talk 18:19, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Usually on Misplaced Pages, albums go into italics and songs into quotes but a distinction needs still to be made between works with actual titles and those that have none and are thus referred to by generic monikers. For example, if an album was actually titled Untitled, it should receive the regular italics, but if it was simply an untitled album, such formatting would be misleading. - Cyrus XIII 21:37, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

You may want to get WP:MUSTARD to clearly enumerate that. The wording is a bit ambiguous right now and could loosely be interpreted the wrong way. spryde | talk 23:59, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Creem/CREEM

Hey, Cyrus XIII. I don't know how else to contact you, so I hope you see this. Would you PLEASE quit changing the CREEM name to lower-cased Creem in that entry? I was an editor at CREEM for seven years. Upper-cased is the way it's supposed to be. Every editor and every writer who ever worked there would tell you this. It was an edict from publisher Barry Kramer and writers/editors were very conscious of this from the magazine's origins through to its demise. It's annoying that you keep changing it because it's wrong. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.255.2.26 (talk) 20:34, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I can see were you are coming from, but the use of all-caps typesetting (or for that matter any kind of stylized typography) is discouraged by the Misplaced Pages Manual of Style. As a seasoned editor, you certainly know about the significance of a consistent presentation, readability and so forth. Please refer to Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (trademarks) and Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (capital letters)#All caps for details. - Cyrus XIII 01:44, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Civility

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Please assume good faith in your dealings with other editors. Please stop being uncivil to your fellow editors; instead, assume that they are here to improve Misplaced Pages. Your edits to my posts are of bad faith, and contain ill-considered accusations WP:ICA. I do not appreciate your behaviour towards me, and I have already requested that you please behave in a civil manner. The Misplaced Pages is a open community for everyone to edit and feel welcomed,, however your uncivil edits to my posts are becoming quite serious. 122.49.135.245 03:30, 4 November 2007 (UTC)