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	:Editorial judgment, good taste and respect for privacy is not censorship. The article subject is not a major public figure and is known to the public exclusively by his stage name in connection with his performances. Given that there exists no compelling public interest in his real name, we have acceded to his request to exclude it from our biography of him. ] 22:41, 1 November 2007 (UTC)		:Editorial judgment, good taste and respect for privacy is not censorship. The article subject is not a major public figure and is known to the public exclusively by his stage name in connection with his performances. Given that there exists no compelling public interest in his real name, we have acceded to his request to exclude it from our biography of him. ] 22:41, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
	::Who, exactly, is "we", and who is the judge of "compelling public interest"? It sounds like in this case, you really mean "I", not "we". As for "public interest", people are interested in details like this otherwise what's the point of having a biography in the first place? Despite that, I would probably give merit to sympathizing with the virtues you cite if you had ] instead of acting unilaterally. Have you done so and I just failed to notice? ] 15:56, 4 November 2007 (UTC)		::Who, exactly, is "we", and who is the judge of "compelling public interest"? It sounds like in this case, you really mean "I", not "we". As for "public interest", people are interested in details like this otherwise what's the point of having a biography in the first place? Despite that, I would probably give merit to sympathizing with the virtues you cite if you had ] instead of acting unilaterally. Have you done so and I just failed to notice? ] 15:56, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

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			Requesting comment regarding whether or not a wrestler's real name and birthdate (or at least year of birth) should be in an article. In favor of having the name are the number of unique people who keep adding it, expecting that it's relevant biographical information. The single administrator who keeps removing it cites ] which is understandably an important part of handling confidential communications with Misplaced Pages, but a public figure's real name and birth year is hardly confidential. The single administrator seems pretty defensive about this - the last person who added this real name got not a warning, but a week-long block () with no apparent previous antagonism to merit it. I insist that the community either deserves a meaningful rationale for censoring this information, or the censorship should be stopped. This entire talk page deals with nothing but this single issue. ] 07:14, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

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Sorry, I don't want to get banned for stating something that is a matter of public record, provided by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. I will say however how fucking ridiculous I think Misplaced Pages is for arbitrarily preventing such information from being posted.

TELL THE WIKITRUTH

....time to get the real men in to figure out this whole mess

Even if it's public record, what would it add to the article? My understanding is most wrestlers don't think fans knowing their real names is all that important because when they're greeted they will only get the persona they portray, not the real person playing the gimmick. It's annoying to them because unlike actors, they rarely leave their "gimmicks" at the shows. Even if you know Nigels real name, he's more Nigel NcGuiness then whatever his birth name is.

Then why don't we remove the birth names from Shane Douglas, Jimmy Jacobs, Alex Shelley, Chris Sabin, Roderick Strong, Rocky Romero, Christopher Daniels, Shawn Michaels...I could go on but I think you get the point.

If it was there choice to remove them, we should. My understanding, from reading one of the earlier discussions, is Nigel doesn't want his real name public. So no, I don't get the point. Nigel doesn't want it out, so why should people who have nothing to gain from knowing his real name be making a fuss about "the truth?" Those wretslers you have mentioned obviously haven't asked for it to be pulled down. So why fight Nigel on this? It's his name after all.

Don't be thick, I meant the point that there are an overabundance of wrestlers' real names on Wiki, especially with ring names that sound like real names. And since Wiki has capitulated to Nigel, what's to stop them from capitulating to anyone else who threatens to sue (and let's not kid ourselves, that's what happened here) based on what Wiki's posted about them?

As the person who handled the OTRS request, there was never a threat to sue. Simply a request that this matter be investigated. Had I found that Mr. McGuinness' real name was widely known and not generally private, I would have allowed it to remain. FCYTravis 16:54, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I see no reason that we can't just put his real name in and use the USPTO website as the referance since anybody can search the website and find his real name, it's the way we found out Samoa Joe's real name. This is something his fans would like to know and there is no reason not to include it just because the webmaster of his site complained. If he didn't want his real name to be available, then he shouldn't have trademarked his ring name (thus making his real name public record). TJ Spyke 05:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I totally agree with TJ Spyke. This is censorship, pure and simple. McGuiness may not want his real name posted. I can understand that. I'm sure Richard Nixon would not want Watergate mentioned (were he alive), etc. An extreme example, but the point is the same. He is a public figure (by his own choice), his real name is a matter of public record, and it should be posted. This is an encyclopedia. Admin FCYTravis dropped the ball big time on this.Thedukeofno 11:55, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Dear user 24.193.0.95: You are removing my comments from an article's talk page. That's considered unacceptable behavior per the talk page guidelines (see WP:TPG), and I ask that you refrain from doing so. If you continue to do so, I will continue to revert, and I will block you. Also, you should get a user name and sign in when making edits; it will help with your credibility. Thedukeofno 07:59, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I added {{reqphoto}}

I tagged the image for speedy deletion as a replaceable fair use iamge and added {{reqphoto}} to this talk page. --Iamunknown 22:53, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

You can use a pic from his website, I give permission. Webmutt.

Why does it not mention the biceps injury that will likely force him to relinquish the belt? It's pretty major news on every reliable 'insider' website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.241.17.141 (talk) 09:31, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Real name

If there is a compelling reason not to have this guy's real name in the article, then it ought to be documented for the benefit of the community. It is not the job of a single administrator to unilaterally decide to censor something and then to provide no rationale for doing so. Claiming "OTRS" is a load of garbage. WP:CENSOR is a non-negotiable policy. This unilateral censorship action coming from an administrator who already has a documented history of making unilateral actions ignoring consensus is totally inappropriate - Misplaced Pages belongs to the community and not its administrators. If a compelling rationale isn't provided promptly, this matter will go to RfC and beyond. Reswobslc 15:51, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Editorial judgment, good taste and respect for privacy is not censorship. The article subject is not a major public figure and is known to the public exclusively by his stage name in connection with his performances. Given that there exists no compelling public interest in his real name, we have acceded to his request to exclude it from our biography of him. FCYTravis 22:41, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Who, exactly, is "we", and who is the judge of "compelling public interest"? It sounds like in this case, you really mean "I", not "we". As for "public interest", people are interested in details like this otherwise what's the point of having a biography in the first place? Despite that, I would probably give merit to sympathizing with the virtues you cite if you had sought the community's consensus first instead of acting unilaterally. Have you done so and I just failed to notice? Reswobslc 15:56, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Request for Comment

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Requesting comment regarding whether or not a wrestler's real name and birthdate (or at least year of birth) should be in an article. In favor of having the name are the number of unique people who keep adding it, expecting that it's relevant biographical information. The single administrator who keeps removing it cites WP:OTRS which is understandably an important part of handling confidential communications with Misplaced Pages, but a public figure's real name and birth year is hardly confidential. The single administrator seems pretty defensive about this - the last person who added this real name got not a warning, but a week-long block (block log) with no apparent previous antagonism to merit it. I insist that the community either deserves a meaningful rationale for censoring this information, or the censorship should be stopped. This entire talk page deals with nothing but this single issue. Reswobslc 07:14, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

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