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This is a page for working on Arbitration decisions. The Arbitrators, parties to the case, and other editors may draft proposals and post them to this page for review and comments. Proposals may include proposed general principles, findings of fact, remedies, and enforcement provisions—the same format as is used in Arbitration Committee decisions. The bottom of the page may be used for overall analysis of the /Evidence and for general discussion of the case.

Any user may edit this workshop page. Please sign all suggestions and comments. Arbitrators will place proposed items they believe should be part of the final decision on the /Proposed decision page, which only Arbitrators may edit, for voting.

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Question to Durova from Kwsn

Q. Other than to not reveal the "methods of investigation", was there any other reason why you didn't post the email? Kwsn (Ni!) 19:42, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Questions to the arbitrators

Recusal

The claim was made that "roughly two dozen people received the report. Those included people from the Foundation, and some (not all) members of ArbCom"

A clerk has recused himself from this case due to participation in the original ANI thread.

What circumstances, if any, related to the report would cause a member of Arbcom to recuse themselves from this case? Uncle uncle uncle (talk) 19:46, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Parties

We currently have just three parties. I am not even sure why Dmcdevit is listed as a party, save for being the one who brought the issue formally before ArbCom.

Given the locus of the dispute, I would have no objection to being added as a party, if thought fit. I also wonder whether others who received the initial e-mail (when we know who they are) or commented on the initial block, or, indeed, who have been involved in the war against "abusive sockpuppets" should be added. Some people are likely to be included in all three categories. It is not something I know very much about, but I am sure others can suggest some names. -- !! ?? 22:53, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

The editor who filed the case is often included as a party for purposes of receiving notices and the like. This does not imply that he or she had any direct role in the underlying dispute. In view of your role in this matter, I am sure there would be no objection to your listing yourself as a party on the case page, or asking the Clerk for this case, Cbrown1023, to do so. Newyorkbrad (talk) 00:26, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Proposed final decision

Proposed principles

Assume good faith

1) Users are expected to assume good faith in their dealings with other editors, especially those whom they had conflicts with in the past.

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Proposed. Adapted from Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2. Mackensen (talk) 19:35, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Possibly redundant to 4.1 below. Kirill 20:04, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

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Responsiveness

2) Administrators must be willing and prepared to discuss the reasons for their administrative actions in a timely manner.

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Proposed. Adapted from Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/InShaneee. Mackensen (talk) 19:35, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Could be rolled in with "Responsibility", below, into a single principle. Kirill 20:04, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

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Private correspondence

3) In the absence of permission from the author (including of any included prior correspondence) or their lapse into public domain, the contents of private correspondence, including e-mails, should not be posted on-wiki. See Misplaced Pages:Copyrights.

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Proposed. Adapted from Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar 2. Mackensen (talk) 19:35, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

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Oppose -- The posting of such emails may be considered fair use, particularly where such postings constitute legitimate whistleblowing related to disruptive on-wiki conduct. Of course, any non-public information concerning the identity of particular editors should be redacted prior to posting such e-mails. John254 22:26, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

• Legitimate whistleblowing can be mailed to ArbCom without risking violation of privacy. Posting private emails without permission is wrong on several levels, not least breach of copyright. Guy (Help!) 23:12, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
• Support. JzG is dead on. As well, we're not in the business of whistleblowing. ⇒SWATJester 00:30, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Do you intend to bring Giano into this? (in which case he should be notified) Otherwise, none of the parties posted e-mails, which would make this principle seem out of place. Jd2718 (talk) 00:38, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Fair use does not apply in non-article-space. No emails can be added to Misplaced Pages without consent from the author(s). Daniel 00:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I concede that any posting of an unpublished email on a Misplaced Pages user page would violate our fair use policy, expressly failing non-free content criteria 4 and non-free content criteria 9. However, in exceptional circumstances such as those presented in this case, it is in the interests of the encyclopedia to override the non-free content criteria per Misplaced Pages:Ignore all rules, in order to expose egregious administrative misconduct. WP:IAR, of course, does not exempt us from compliance with fair use law; however, I would contend that the posting of the email in question was permissible under American legal standards of fair use. See Fair_use#Purpose_and_character and Fair_use#Effect_upon_work.27s_value, both of which factors would favor a finding of fair use, since the emails were posted for non-commercial purposes, and since the effect of the posting on the market value of the email was negligible, as Durova never intended market the email commercially. Moreover, the portion of the email that was posted didn't contain private information concerning anyone. The blocking of Giano II, and the protection of his talk page, were completely unjustified. John254 02:20, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Courtesy

4) Misplaced Pages users are expected to behave reasonably and calmly in their dealings with other users. Insulting and intimidating other users harms the community by creating a hostile environment. Personal attacks are not acceptable.

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Proposed. Adapted from Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2. Mackensen (talk) 19:35, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Prefer the newer version below. Kirill 20:01, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

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Decorum

4.1) Misplaced Pages users are expected to behave reasonably and calmly in their interactions with other users, to keep their cool when editing, and to avoid acting in a manner that brings the project into disrepute. Unseemly conduct—including, but not limited to, personal attacks, incivility, assumptions of bad faith, trolling, harassment, and gaming the system—is prohibited. Users should not respond to such behavior in kind; concerns regarding the actions of other users should be brought up in the appropriate forums.

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Wording from most recent cases. Kirill 20:01, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

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Blocking

5) Blocking is a serious matter. Administrators should be exceedingly careful when blocking. Blocks should be made only if other means are not likely to be effective; prior discussion or warnings should generally precede all blocks. Blocks should be used only to prevent damage or disruption to Misplaced Pages, and if there could be any reasonable doubt about whether a block is appropriate, other administrators and/or the community should be consulted. Following a block, the blocked editor should be notified of the block on their talk page, and additional notification on site may be appropriate to seek community input.

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Proposed. Adapted from Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Betacommand. Mackensen (talk) 19:35, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

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Responsibility

6) Users are responsible for the editorial and administrative actions they undertake. If a user feels that external concerns prevent them from justifying their actions in public, they are obliged to refrain from that action altogether or to bring the matter before the Arbitration Committee.

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Proposed. This perhaps breaks new ground, but is I think implied by the block policy and anticipates Misplaced Pages:Confidential evidence. Mackensen (talk) 19:42, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

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The core concept is valid but this is overstated. For example, it would imply that an OTRS respondent could not edit an article based on an OTRS request without consulting ArbCom. Newyorkbrad (talk) 20:56, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

No, and ditto for checkusers. We'll clarify that. Mackensen (talk) 20:58, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Same Concern above. ⇒SWATJester 00:21, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Responsibility

6.1) Users are responsible for the editorial and administrative actions they undertake, and must be willing and prepared to discuss the reasons for their actions in a timely manner. If a user feels that external concerns prevent them from justifying their actions in public, they are obliged to refrain from that action altogether or to bring the matter before the Arbitration Committee.

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Rolling in some other points. Kirill 20:09, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

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Same concern as in 6. Newyorkbrad (talk) 20:56, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Ditto. ⇒SWATJester 00:18, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Responsibility

6.2) Users are responsible for the editorial and administrative actions they undertake, and must be willing and prepared to discuss the reasons for their actions in a timely manner. If a user feels that external concerns prevent them from justifying their actions in public, and is not carrying out official Foundation responsibilities, they are obliged to refrain from that action altogether or to bring the matter before the Arbitration Committee.

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Better? This is not intended to hinder the activities of checkusers, oversighters, and the OTRS crowd, particularly as this case didn't really involve them. Mackensen (talk) 21:15, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Slightly reordered clauses; but this is good, overall. Kirill 21:25, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

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As a matter of semantics, are checkuser and oversight considered "Foundation responsibilities"? I know they require Foundation identification verification and the like, but I have not previously heard that particular term used. Newyorkbrad (talk) 21:27, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Possibly "is not acting under the authority of the Foundation" would be a better wording; but I wonder if a more explicit version may not be simpler. Kirill 22:28, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Same concern as NewYorkBrad.⇒SWATJester 00:21, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Responsibility

6.3) Users are responsible for the editorial and administrative actions they undertake, and must be willing and prepared to discuss the reasons for their actions in a timely manner. If a user feels that they cannot justify their actions in public, they are obliged to refrain from that action altogether or to bring the matter before the Arbitration Committee. This does not apply to users carrying out official tasks as authorized by the Foundation or the Committee (including, but not limited to, checkuser, oversight, and OTRS activity).

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Really, really explicit. Kirill 22:28, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I didn't intend "external" in that sense; I can see where that would be misinterpreted. I've shortened the clause to remove the mention. Mackensen (talk) 23:40, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

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Is the reference to "external concerns" meaningful? It seems to imply that there are conversely "internal concerns" that this wouldn't apply to, but I've got no idea what "external" or "internal" would mean in context. Unless internal concerns are also "official tasks"?87.254.68.249 (talk) 22:56, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

To put it another way, suppose that the situation was replayed with only the wording above as guidance. Suppose the blocking admin felt that they didn't want to give their reasons because they didn't want to divulge their secret investigative methods. That's a reason they might regard as "internal" to the project. It's a reason that hypothetically they regard as "internal" to their duties as an admin. Would they expect it to be considered an "external concern"?87.254.68.249 (talk) 23:33, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Which part does the "This does not apply to users carrying out official tasks " clause apply to? The first sentence, the second, or both? Daniel 23:58, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

The second part, mainly, as that's the practical one; but there may be cases where even the first part isn't applicable to official actions. Kirill 00:02, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Much better than the previous versions. ⇒SWATJester 00:18, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Administrative discretion

7) Administrators are normally afforded wide discretion to block users who they believe are a danger to the project.

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It may be possible to bundle this with other principles, but this is accurate, subject to the usual requirements for discussion. Mackensen (talk) 19:50, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

(To Amarkov). See principle above ("responsibility"). You can't have this without the other. Mackensen (talk) 19:52, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

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Stolen from Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Sadi Carnot#Administrative discretion and proposed. This is an important facet of this case. east.718 at 19:47, November 25, 2007

This presumes that such users can be unblocked easily if it turns out they aren't a danger to the project. If blocks are based on evidence that most people aren't allowed to see, it is much harder to unblock them, so the wide discretion in blocking them must be reduced as well. Since this case involves blocks mostly based on secret evidence, I'm not quite sure why this principle is important here. -Amarkov moo! 20:18, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Recall

8) Category:Misplaced Pages administrators open to recall contains those administrators who have agreed to stand for reconfirmation of their status under certain conditions. Participation in this category is entirely voluntary, and administrators may set any conditions that they wish. However, when their conditions are met, administrators are expected to abide by their promise to stand for reconfirmation.

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It is meaningless, in the sense of the term that you're using. A promise to stand for recall is only as good as the administrator's word. Kirill 20:03, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Recall has no standing. It's a voluntary undertaking. Mackensen (talk) 20:21, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

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Proposed. If we don't have this, then recall is meaningless, as people could always just change their conditions when something bad comes up. -Amarkov moo! 19:58, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

False dichotomy in the rationale for including this here. Any administrator that the community perceives as going back on their word about willingness to be recalled will be taken to task by the community without there needing to be an ArbCom ruling about this entirely voluntary process. Kirill and Mackensen have it just right. I will say I feel the statement is an accurate characterisation of general perception about voluntary recall, though... the expectation is that of the community, not of any particular body such as ArbCom. ++Lar: t/c 21:13, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I think this should be included. Administrator recall may be entirely voluntary but administrator responsibility is not. If you give a pledge and fail to honour it, the fact that you did not have to give the pledge in the first place is not a justification for going back on your word. Sam Blacketer (talk) 21:32, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, if the recall procedure is not acknowledged by Arbcom and Durova fails to adhere to her recall promise, it will be time to classify the recall page under "historical". --Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) (talk) 21:37, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Recall is indeed meaningless, at least in the sense of being entirely unenforceable. Just as well, or we would probably have more witch-hunts. Guy (Help!) 23:23, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Recall

8.1) Category:Misplaced Pages administrators open to recall contains those administrators who have agreed to stand for reconfirmation of their status under certain conditions. Participation in this category is entirely voluntary, and administrators may set any conditions that they wish. However, an administrator who ignores calls for recall can be considered to have violated the trust of the community.

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Proposed rewording. --Hemlock Martinis (talk) 00:19, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't really agree with this. It's not even clear if the community supports the idea of recall, let alone whether signing up for a category can be seen as making a meaningful commitment. Christopher Parham (talk) 00:45, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

External discussion

9) Users are free to discuss Misplaced Pages-related matters using any forum or medium of their choice. However, they must be aware that such external discussions cannot serve as a justification for taking action in the absence of on-wiki discussion or official authorization.

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Address the "secret mailing list" issue more explicitly; could be worded better. Kirill 20:17, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I think the "responsibility" principle implies this, but yes. No extant policy restricts behavior; it's hard to image how one could. Mackensen (talk) 20:20, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

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The caveat placed in the Responsibility principle for checkuser, oversight etc. should also be applied here, in my opinion. Where private data is involved which cannot be revealed to anyonw who has not recieved the appropriate 'clearance', decisions made by consensus of the applicable groups/mailing lists (especially arbcom-l) are justification aplenty, and in practice they can't be overruled by anyone else without that private information. Thoughts? Daniel 00:13, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Hence the "or official authorization" part. Kirill 00:14, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

A consensus formed on checkuser-l, oversight-l, arbcom-l, otrs-en-l etc. is, for Misplaced Pages purposes, an "official authorization"? Daniel 00:16, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Arbcom-l, certainly. The others are probably in a bit of a gray area (as there's no provision, technically, for say a "consensus of checkusers" to authorize something); but it's probably a moot point, as I'm not aware of those lists being used in such a manner. Kirill 00:19, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

If an incident arises with private data and a request for review initiated, I would assume that it is taken to the appropriate mailing list for discussion and consensus. At the end, consensus pops out, and that's what generally stands as the result. Or maybe I'm off the mark here (I'll defer to your knowledge being on three of the ones I cited). Daniel 00:21, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Freedom to report perceived cyberstalking and harassment

10) Editors are free to file confidential reports of cyberstalking and harassment with Arbcom without fear of retaliation.

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This is the only thing I want to propose. It is necessary because I have been criticized for filing such a report in my capacity as an individual editor (no admin tools were used to prepare the report). In the absence of bad faith, filing such a report can never be the basis for any sort of complaint against the filing party. - Jehochman 21:24, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

(reply to Christopher Parham) The arbitrators have the evidence, and if they don't understand what I am talking about, they can email me for clarification. - Jehochman 21:33, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

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Do you plan to submit evidence that would explain why this is relevant? Christopher Parham (talk) 21:26, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Responses to harassment and stalking; perspective

11) Efforts to respond forcefully to incidents of on- and off-wiki harassment and stalking of Misplaced Pages editors and to extend support to editors victimized by these practices are extremely important. It is also appropriate to be watchful for banned users who continue to attempt to disrupt Misplaced Pages. However, users engaged in efforts to combat these problems should remain mindful that the vast majority of editors would never engage in such practices. The conclusion that an editor is dangerous to Misplaced Pages and its contributors should only be reached on a substantial weight of credible evidence. If an administrator perceives that a genuine emergency situation exists, the Arbitration Committee or in appropriate cases the Office should be consulted.

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Proposed. Newyorkbrad (talk) 21:40, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

If a genuine emergency situation existed, I think that would actually justify taking action immediately instead of consulting Arbcom or the Foundation. A user who might at some point become disruptive is not a genuine emergency situation, ever. -Amarkov moo! 23:07, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

The last sentence of the proposal may be expendible. Newyorkbrad (talk) 23:58, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Accusations of administrator misconduct

12) Accusation of administrator misconduct is a serious matter. Such accusations, whether direct or implied (such as by speculative questions), must not be made unless there is strong evidence for doing so. As with other community standards, administrators in particular are expected to model proper behavior by refraining from such speculations.

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What does this have to do with the matter at hand? Kirill 22:25, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Are either of these users selling their services as Misplaced Pages admins? Are either of them using their not inconsiderable influence to eliminate their competitors? Raymond Arritt (talk) 22:31, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

It's a fair question. Mackensen (talk) 22:38, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

So is "When did you stop beating your wife?" Raymond Arritt (talk) 22:40, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, when did you? Be serious. Mackensen (talk) 22:42, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

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Proposed. Raymond Arritt (talk) 22:22, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Oppose - as noted above, this has nothing to do with this case. Furthermore, being an administrator is supposedly "No big deal" - and allegations of administrator misconduct are made on a daily basis at AN/I - some with strong evidence, some without. This is not a court martial, and we are not 'questioning a Marine officer with an impeccable service record.' Isarig (talk) 22:33, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Nothing to do with this case? How does an accusation made against the parties -- which made in the thick of the debate on the matter being decided here -- have nothing to do with this case? Raymond Arritt (talk) 22:36, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Why? Criticism of admins should have no more restrictions than criticism of anyone else. -Amarkov moo! 23:05, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Amarkov says it right, why should admins be exempt from criticism? Kwsn (Ni!) 00:12, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

This gets to the heart of the matter. I hope Mackensen reconsiders his appallingly flippant response. --Tony Sidaway 01:01, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

This really should be "accusations of misconduct", of any kind. But otherwise I think it touches on both the problems with Durova's actions and some problems with the response to them, and would be a perfectly reasonable principle. The point being, caution is needed when making accusations as even if withdrawn the social damage can be great. Christopher Parham (talk) 02:20, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Loutishness discouraged

13) Loutish behavior is strongly discouraged. Persistent louts may be sanctioned.

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See "Decorum" above; I would hope that this would be covered by the prohibition on unseemly behavior. Kirill 01:27, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

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We must not have a repetition of the appalling behavior that led to this case. --Tony Sidaway 01:22, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

The hounding of Durova and Jehochman is some of the worst I have seen. "Lack of decorum" isn't quite the phrase. --Tony Sidaway 01:32, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

"Sleuthing"

14) Self-appointed "sleuthing" - conducting investigations against editors in good standing who have not committed any violation of WP policy is founded in a presumption of bad faith, and as such is antithetical to the principles of Misplaced Pages and should not be done.

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Proposed findings of fact

Durova

1) Durova (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) has edited Misplaced Pages since October 2005 and has been an administrator since October 17, 2006. In addition to contributing content, she has been active with respect to dispute resolution issues, including active participation at the former community sanctions noticeboard, proposing and overseeing the Misplaced Pages:community enforceable mediation process, and providing useful input in arbitration cases.

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Proposed. Newyorkbrad (talk) 20:36, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Durova's block of User:!!

2) On November 18, 2007, Durova announced on WP:ANI that she had indefinitely blocked !! (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) as a disruptive sockpuppet, stating that the grounds for the block could not be discussed on-wiki and that any appeal must be routed to the Arbitration Committee.

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Proposed. Newyorkbrad (talk) 20:39, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

User:!!

3) A review of User:!!'s editing prior to the block reflects no problematic edits of any nature. User:!! had received no warnings and had been involved in no incidents of any kind, but had made substantial content contributions including the creation of many articles listed on Misplaced Pages:Did you know? as well as active participation in maintaining the DYK page itself.

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Proposed. Newyorkbrad (talk) 20:42, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Evaluation of the block

4) The evidence compiled by Durova, viewed as individual items and as a whole, was insufficient to justify blocking User:!! or taking any other action against him. No reasonable administrator would have blocked User:!! or taken any other action based on this evidence, nor was the block justified by any other available evidence.

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Proposed. Newyorkbrad (talk) 20:48, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Reversal of the block

5) After Durova announced her block of User:!! a number of editors questioned the block and provided additional information to Durova both on ANI and off-wiki. Durova reversed the block 75 minutes after it was imposed, using the unblock summary "false positive", and apologized to User:!!. Durova has acknowledged that she erred in this matter by failing to contact User:!! before blocking him.

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Proposed. Newyorkbrad (talk) 20:54, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

A bad call (a very bad call indeed) submitted for review and quickly reversed. --Tony Sidaway 01:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Good faith

6) Although Durova's block of User:!! was gravely misguided and has caused substantial disruption, she apparently acted in good faith in the sense that she believed the block was in the best interests of the encyclopedia at the time she imposed it.

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Good faith towards the encyclopedia, yes, but not towards the editor. Mackensen (talk) 21:13, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

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Proposed. Newyorkbrad (talk) 21:11, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Responding to Mackensen, my point is that the administrator was pursuing what she thought of as a worthwhile action, rather than a deliberately destructive one. Of course one of the many reasons this was a bad block was the failure to WP:AGF with respect to User:!!'s positive contributions. Newyorkbrad (talk) 21:15, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

You know something? I reckon this is a case for Hanlon's razor. Guy (Help!) 23:28, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

If I block an account for simple vandalism, I act in good faith. To say it is "not good faith" towards the user in question is not really getting us anywhere.--Doc 01:08, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

External mailing lists

7) The Committee is aware of the existence of a number of external mailing lists used for discussion of various Misplaced Pages-related topics. As these lists have no official standing and are not operated by the Wikimedia Foundation, the Committee has no authority over them.

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What people discuss in their living rooms is their own business. Kirill 20:42, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

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Oppose -- Off-wiki communications are within the jurisdiction of, and may furnish cause for sanction by, the Arbitration Committee when such communications directly result in substantial on-wiki disruption. If an editor were to, say, set up a mailing list for the purpose of votestacking AFD discussions or requests for adminship, such usage of the list would correctly be regarded as actionable misconduct. John254 21:06, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

This is only true to the extent that Arbcom can't shut down or regulate the content of such lists. As John254 says, they can and should take what action they can if private forums are causing on-Wiki disruption. That's what they did with ED.-Amarkov moo! 21:11, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Not in terms of policy, yes. Doesn't mean the ArbCom can't condemn, see . Even if we can't stop these lists proliferating, doesn't mean we can't say they're a bad idea. Moreschi 21:33, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I support this finding. Guy (Help!) 23:28, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Support. Wikipedians have freedom of association offsite as a basic civil liberty. Trying to stop people from emailing their friends is dumb. Kla’quot (talk | contribs) 00:08, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Support per Moreschi. We can condemn them, but we cannot control them. ⇒SWATJester 00:39, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Durova infiltrated outside communities as a "spy"

8) Durova has stated that she has infiltrated outside groups and communities as a spy.

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Submitted, came to light on her RFC and Arbcom canidate page. • Lawrence Cohen 21:37, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

There seems to be some confusion about which site it is that we are editing, and which site the arbitration committee has authority over. The answer to both of those is en.wikipedia.org. Now, to the best of my knowledge, Misplaced Pages Review is not part of this website. The question becomes, how is this finding of fact relevant? Picaroon (t) 21:42, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The diff that you link to here is followed by a smiley, and I do not believe that it was intended seriously. Newyorkbrad (talk) 21:43, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Reply to both Newyorkbrad and Picaroon: I know, I asked her on her candidate page if it was a true statement or not. I wanted to give her a chance to confirm or disavow that as it seems relevant to all the secret and covert operations hubbub. • Lawrence Cohen 21:44, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Agree with NYB - pretty sure that was a joke. JavaTenor (talk) 22:20, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

It's relevant inasmuch as it shows how Durova treats this as a sleuthing experience, as some sort of espionage, instead of encyclopedia building. ⇒SWATJester 00:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

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User:!! encouraged

1) User-multi error: "User:!!" is not a valid project or language code (help). is strongly encouraged to look past this extremely regrettable incident and to continue contributing high-quality content to Misplaced Pages under the account name of his choice.

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Proposed. Newyorkbrad (talk) 21:02, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Just to note, he may have already. I hope so. Majorly (talk) 22:08, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Durova restricted

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Proposed. There's no reason to permit the massive disruption caused by the highly inappropriate block of !! to be repeated. John254 21:15, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Why only administrators? If the reasons for a block can't be revealed publicly, to everyone, she really shouldn't be making it herself. -Amarkov moo! 21:16, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

There's a difference between reasons and evidence: for instance, the reason may be "horrific personal attacks" and the evidence may be deleted edits. Christopher Parham (talk) 21:22, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh. Didn't make that distinction. Never mind, then. -Amarkov moo! 23:12, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

As a matter of procedure, there is no precedent for advance authorization of emergency desysopping by stewards. Stewards may be from projects other than En-wiki and have no familiarity with issues arising here. There is precedent language from other cases (e.g., remedy 2.1 in the Badlydrawnjeff case) providing that ArbCom will consider summary desysopping if warranted, that could be utilized if this is the remedy selected. Newyorkbrad (talk) 21:20, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

There are a substantial number of stewards who have sufficient experience with the English Misplaced Pages as to be able to effectuate this remedy correctly. Of course, those stewards who indeed have "have no familiarity with issues arising here" should not attempt such enforcement. Additionally, it is true that there is no precedent for permitting emergency desysopping as a remedy; however, I contend that it is justified due to the extraordinary circumstances of this case, and the substantial potential for further disruption if Durova were to ever make another block of a similar character. John254 21:49, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

While I fully mostly support the first part of this proposal, wording of 'emergency desysoping' part doesn't seem appropriate to me. Differences between sufficient/insufficient evidence could be quite subjective, no hasty measure is appropriate here. In addition, proposed measure cannot be called emergency desysopping at all, because emergency desysoppings are only for cases when either you desysop the admin, or (s)he will continue making inappropriate things right here and right now. MaxSem 22:21, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

While I agree with Newyorkbrad that the term should be summary desysopping, I have to disagree with MaxSem, given the repeat bad blocks by Durova, there is every reason to think that in another case, they will continue to happen without emergency desysopping. ⇒SWATJester 00:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Durova restricted

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Reworded John524's proposal. I changed the reviewer to ArbCom and broadened the scope under which ArbCom can act. I also tinkered with the evidence requirement. --Hemlock Martinis (talk) 00:08, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Support concurrently with 3 (i.e. it would take effect if she ever were to regain adminship). ⇒SWATJester 01:02, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Durova desysopped

3) Durova's administrative privileges are revoked. She may reapply at any time via the usual means or by appeal to this committee

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Durova has posted to the evidence page that, following the arbitration case, she will fullfill her obligations and stand for reconfirmation. I think that renders this consideration moot. Mackensen (talk) 00:52, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

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Proposed Durova held 'evidence' for two weeks, carefully considered it, and took wrong action. Bad judgment trumps good faith. Of course she can edit, but ArbCom should not be asking the community to trust her with the tools. Jd2718 (talk) 00:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

How is the arbitration committee, by not desysopping her, "asking the community to trust her with the tools"? I don't see how them not desysopping her would mean they are asking the community to trust her, since community trust is not the only thing that factors into committee decisions to desysop. If it was, the arbitrators wouldn't require some desysopped users (eg Alkivar) to only ask the committee to regain adminship, as opposed to asking the committee or filing a request for adminship (which determines community trust). So, your latter sentence doesn't really follow. Picaroon (t) 00:17, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

It's a fair question. Firstly, the behavior was intentional (the mistake was not). And that behavior constitutes a breech of community trust meriting consideration of desysyopping. Secondly, the proposals to restrict her (2.0 and 2.1, above) ask the community to believe that Durova's methods were wrong but her judgment is sound. I don't think that's a fair thing to put back at the community. Does that answer your question? (If not, perhaps I've misworded something) Jd2718 (talk) 00:57, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Support. Adminship is a position of trust, and Durova appears to have lost the trust of the community through her poor judgment. --Hemlock Martinis (talk) 00:12, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Support. Durova hasn't promised to end this behavior, i.e. her "sleuthing". Cla68 (talk) 00:51, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Support, and any recall is irrelevant to this sanction. ⇒SWATJester 01:02, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Should be considered if there is clear evidence of an ongoing pattern of poor judgement. If not, desysopping Durova in the circumstances would only encourage the recent appalling behavior towards her. --Tony Sidaway 01:18, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

It's not about her, it's about the project, which is why we seek to correct problem behavior, not punish it. Her behavior included the use of her admin tools and she hasn't promised to end the problematic behavior. Thus, corrective action is necessary. Any "appalling" action directed towards her as a result can be dealt with under applicable policies. Cla68 (talk) 01:26, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I'd much rather a voluntary action be taken by Durova, at the very least promising to hang up her Sherlock Holmes hat for good, if not resigning her bit. However, she has continued to back up her methods and justify her toxic "sleuthing" behavior, and a preventative desysopping may unfortunately be the only way to go. --krimpet⟲ 01:33, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

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