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I am here for some very limited purposes, because some people have asked me to help in some specific cases. I am prepared to do this. I am not intending to be here much, at present. I have not yet decided whether to start using this account actively again. No, I don't want to talk about any of the foregoing, thanks, the people concerned know who they are and how to get hold of me. This is about some ongoing unresolved issues being discussed on one or more mailing lists, when that debate comes to fruition I will take a view. Guy (Help!) 12:45, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

• Please see User:JzG/Harassment links.

• Bored? Looking for something to do? Try User:Eagle 101/problem BLPs.
• See my winter cycling tips - feel free to suggest more!

Cypri

We may have another problem related to that issue, and articles that link there. Next time we're both on IRC, remind me, and I'll explain. DS 00:49, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

In the middle of all the other drama...

I know you have been busy with all that is going on and may have missed the NPA stuff. I have been playing with the wording of the proposal on WT:NPA and made a bit of a radical proposal at the bottom. I would like to know your opinion on both to see where we can go from here. Thanks!

And if I was still living in the DC area, I would most definitely come up to have a beer with you in Philly. Cheers spryde | talk 16:19, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, that is one way to comment :) Instead of adding the "not acceptable" phrasing, could the section be moved to the "never acceptable" section up top? I will copy this comment over to WT:NPA. spryde | talk 16:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I'll have a look. Guy (Help!) 16:59, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments. I sincerely hope this solves the issue once and for all and it is not exploited nor abused. spryde | talk 17:17, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

You never know your luck. Guy (Help!) 17:20, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Your archiving at ANI

I really don't think that was a helpful action which will do anything to lower the temperature. Could you consider reverting yourself? Physchim62 (talk) 17:38, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

• I really really don't think you want to reopen that can of worms. Seriously. Some of your recent actions have raised eyebrows, and pressing for the continuation of that debate is very unlikely to help anything. That battle is already raging in one or two places, let it reach its natural conclusion. If you consider there is genuine cause for concern you are welcome to try WP:RFAR, but I see a number of contributors to that debate who would not come out of an arbitration well. Better to let it drop, I think. Guy (Help!) 18:45, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Semblances of Sovereignty

JzG, I am trying to find out why this article was deleted. Also, Is there anyway to find the article in wiki now that it has been deleted. Thanks (Lew Basnight IV (talk) 21:35, 21 November 2007 (UTC))

• Because it was complete bollocks in the opinion of everyone who saw it, a personal essay of no obvious coherence. Guy (Help!) 21:41, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Woops I didnt see your note at the beginning

You said beer as in beard hole in Oslo? Just kidding... But I am serious about its deletion... LoL... just teasing... No I am serious.... hahaha... No. Seriously (Lew Basnight IV (talk) 21:38, 21 November 2007 (UTC))

Nattering nabobs of negativity

The civility-above-all-else crowd is getting restless. It may be wise to file off some of the rough edges so as to deny them ammunition (sorry for the mixed metaphor). Raymond Arritt (talk) 22:36, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

AN notification

It's only courteous to inform people when something is posted on AN, so I'm just directing you to Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard#Personal Attacks by JzG where someone has started a discussion about you. violet/riga (t) 22:52, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Please strikethrough

JzG, please strikethrough your comments at Giano's talk page. He has a right to be angry with me. I've apologized to him. I owed him that. I think it would be a good gesture if we all turned down the heat. Best, Durova 23:53, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

• To be honest I think that will only make it worse, though I've no objection. You seem to be making some progress there, anyway. Guy (Help!) 00:18, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

RWI?

Could you briefly clarify on your evidence this means "Real World Information" (I think?)? It took me a bit long to figure this out, and I'm usually pretty quick. I had at first thought you meant some User:RWI, i.e. yet another sock. -- Kendrick7 00:55, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

• Real world identity. Guy (Help!) 07:27, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

James Randi

Thanks for going ahead and deleting that bit about the sex scandal on the talk page. I was unsure whether it could just be eliminated all together. Glad to see we can delete such trolling. I just wish that the particular user would just stay away. Happy Thanksgiving! Cheers!!! Baegis (talk) 13:45, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

• Sure. You can always remove crap posted in bad faith, and WP:BLP supports removing from talk any material which is clearly unsuitable for the article. Guy (Help!) 13:48, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you. Sambure (talk) 15:42, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

• No problem. It might help if you were to give people some context - this is clearly not your first day on Misplaced Pages. There are suspicions. Guy (Help!) 16:08, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Unprotect

If you'd kindly unprotect my "sockproblems" page, I'd like to db-userreq it. Thanks. Precious Roy (talk) 16:32, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

• OK, I have deleted it for you. Thanks, Guy (Help!) 17:39, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

The True Values about being Hip in New York

What's all this swindling-gibbering talk about wikipedia policies against articles that contain the word Hip within them

• And what about words like Hip Hop which sound like Bebop in the reversedMode of Pihpoh?
  • Truly yours, (Scandinavia ... Word! (talk) 23:35, 22 November 2007 (UTC))
    • All words I recognise, but the order is unhelpful. Guy (Help!) 23:38, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

For doing what few have the balls to do:

		The Golden Wiki
		Going above and beyond most people and protecting Misplaced Pages, the 💕 and supporting the few users/bots who do the most unpleasant and thanksless, but never the less important tasks, I award a rare gift The Golden Wiki for this β 02:20, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

I, as always, appreciate your work on Misplaced Pages, Guy, and always look up to you to provide inspiration to me and the countless other contributors to the 'pedia! — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 05:19, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

yay!!!SqueakBox 05:21, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

User:JzG/help

Dunno if you've seen it, but you got 3 messages there (including a barnstar, woot!) -- lucasbfr 12:57, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

• Oh, thanks! Now I've purged my watchlist and got down to about 20 pages I will watchlist it. Guy (Help!) 13:12, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Block

Guy, can you explain this block? Videmus Omnia 16:29, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

• Yes. I explained it to Cary Bass. Guy (Help!) 16:32, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
• OK, checks finished, worst fears luckily not realised. Mercury downgraded to a softblock. In other news, world continues to turn. Guy (Help!) 17:10, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Privatemusings arbitration

Left a suggestion on the workshop page.... inspired by those TV documentaries on the police forces! --Solumeiras 21:45, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Bernard d'Abrera

Your edit to Bernard d'Abrera, citing OTRS ticket 2007080210005311, appears to be problematic under both WP:RS & WP:NPOV. I have posted detailed concerns at Talk:Bernard d'Abrera#WP:BLP. Hrafn_Stalk 16:29, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Durova and Jehochman

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Durova and Jehochman/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Durova and Jehochman/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Cbrown1023 talk 18:32, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Durova/Jehochman arbitration

I noticed your section on posting of private correspondence, and I believe you might be looking for Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar_2#Private_correspondence. I don't think anyone got sanctioned for posting email, but the editor who did it had already requested desysopping and left Misplaced Pages. --Akhilleus (talk) 22:11, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks, well done. Guy (Help!) 22:21, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Ann Coulter

Thanks for providing a link to the original Ikkyu2 material. I added some stuff that guides readers to the meat of his comment.

I never really liked linking to WR, so this is an improvement, even though it requires a bit of work to see his comment. There's some good stuff over there, and I used to go there every day, but I got tired of the constant negativity. (I kind of remember seeing the occasional mention of JZG over there -- sometimes they pick on the wrong people. <vbg>) Lou Sander (talk) 12:45, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

• Well, yes. Overall I am in favour of linking to the source of truth rather than some commentary on the truth that may be - how to put this? - designed to promote a particular interpretation. Thanks, Guy (Help!) 13:22, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

SSP deletion

Yes, the submitter an obvious sock, prob the same as the one that submitted the first one that was oversighted, but it's way more complicated than that. I'll get to the bottom. Thanks for helping. — Rlevse • Talk • 15:41, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

• I just bet it is. Good luck. Guy (Help!) 15:47, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Your opinion please...

I expanded music torture. Your opinion please as to whether you still think an article on the topic merits deletion.

I remember we have interacted before. I am hazy on the details. Do you remember if I was correct to write that you had been generous and helpful? If so thanks again.

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 18:01, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

DRV notice

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Music City Legend Drum and Bugle Corps. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. -- Jreferee t/c 19:27, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

If you're still around... a problematic user page you unprotected

I would say that it looks like User:Callmebc is not using the unprotection of his userpage for constructive purposes. He's soapboxing, etc, and only digging a further hole. Would you consider declining the request and protecting the talk page again? The Evil Spartan (talk) 20:40, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

• Completely agree. Callmebc has done nothing but prove that the indefinite block was right. Guy (Help!) 04:51, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

CyclePat

Guy, Pat's driving me crazy. He's off on a we need four dicdef footnotes to prove that a ms is a millisecond is really one-thousandth of a second kick. He's also raised it at RfC and at WP:RSN.

I called him on the absurdity, but he's playing the 'how dare you threaten to block me, we have a content dispute' card. Can you talk some sense into him? He seems to listen to you more than most, and it would be good for the encyclopedia if he could be persuaded to put some of that boundless energy into something useful. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 01:20, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Before I go on making any brilliant proposals (which I fear may be mis-interpretated as some Pointy insult and lead to some sense that I'm trying to be disruptive) perhaps you would be so kind as to propose to user:TenOfAllTrades and I what steps you believe we should take to resolve this dispute? --CyclePat (talk) 06:03, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Step 1: You stop adding superfluous and ludicrously inappropriate sources to millisecond (as in milli- + second). Step 2: Dispute is resolved. Pleased to eb of service, Guy (Help!) 10:15, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Guy for the suggestion. However I don't agree with this. WorldNet defines inappropriate as "not in keeping with what is correct or proper; "completely inappropriate behavior"." To date I believe I have been keeping in line with the spirit, policies and guidelines of Misplaced Pages. Simply take a look above the edit summary box which states "Encyclopedic content must be verifiable." Perhaps you would be so kind as to indicate what exactly is superfluous (in excess of what is required) with the sources to which I want to add? (Notice: the correction I made to you accusatory tone in step 1 "You stop adding..." which lead people to believe that I am being disruptive in some editorial fashion.) Furthermore according to WorldNet "ludicrous" is defined as "incongruous; inviting ridicule "the absurd excuse that the dog ate his homework";". This being said, let us assume you are correct in saying that adding references, despite the fact that when there are no references this is a violation of WP:V, to the article millisecond is, as you say, "ludicrous". I would put it to you, in light of the definition that you are lacking good faith and falling into the trap. This is because the definition states "inviting to ridicule", which means being "ridiculizing" (or bullying). In this case TenOfAllTrades would be considered the bully ridiculizing my good faith attempts to add the references which are conform to wikipedia's policies.

Maybe it's not the references themself but the amount of references? If this is the case, I would understand. That is why I've post a compromise for user:TenOfAllTrades that we only have 2 references instead of 4. So what exactly is "ludicrously inappropriate" with the sources I added to the article millisecond, where then removed by TenOfAllTrades, and now, to which we discuss?

In light of the fact that I don't quite agree with your method, I ask you again, what steps do you think we should take to resolve this issues?

p.s: On a secondary issue: When you look at the definition of milli- it states in that article that it's 1/1000. However when you read the second sentence it then states that the prefix's etymology means 1000. Is it 1000 or 1/1000? How can this be verified? Where are the sources? --CyclePat (talk) 16:20, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

p.p.s: I just noticed the addition you made to the article millisecond regarding milli-... etc... I'm happy to see this contribution. --CyclePat (talk) 16:32, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

(outdent for my pleasure...) Mind moving the talk page as well? It seems to be splitbrained right now. spryde | talk 16:44, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I know, I know... you can say it... "I'm a WP:DICK". Thank you again for your interest in what is happening. --CyclePat (talk) 21:44, 29 November 2007 (UTC)