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| I've just restored the information Snocrates deleted on December 3, before citations were added. In other words, Snocrates mistakenly(?) deleted "facts gained from sources." If the article names the protester, it should also mention that he pleaded not guilty to those particular charges "on First Amendment grounds" and the article should also state that he claimed the incident was a protest: Verifiable facts which are described or alluded to in the existing citations. | I've just restored the information Snocrates deleted on December 3, before citations were added. In other words, Snocrates mistakenly(?) deleted "facts gained from sources." If the article names the protester, it should also mention that he pleaded not guilty to those particular charges "on First Amendment grounds" and the article should also state that he claimed the incident was a protest: Verifiable facts which are described or alluded to in the existing citations. | ||
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| :No, the information was purposefully removed because it was uncited. The current edit's cited reference does not say the First Amendment was argued. The entire article |
:No, the information was purposefully removed because it was uncited. The current edit's cited reference does not say the First Amendment was argued. The entire article | ||
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| "A 26-year-old man has been convicted of breaking into a historic church in Independence and setting it ablaze. A Jackson County Circuit Court found Jordan Smith of Independence guilty Wednesday of second-degree arson and second-degree burglary.Jurors recommended that Smith serve four years in prison on the arson charge and one year on the burglary charge. Sentencing was set for March 1. Smith earlier testified that he torched the 88-year-old Church of Christ (Temple Lot) on New Year's Day in 1990 on an apparent directive from God. He said his dreams the night before convinced him that God wished him to make a public point. 'At all times, I felt I was obeying a higher power,' Smith said. He said he used a cigarette lighter to ignite parts of the church. Officials saved many church documents and artifacts, but the structure was destroyed." | |||
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| ::Also, the quote that says the protest involved the claim that "war is coming to America" does not appear in any of the 4 sources that are cited. A reference is needed for it; I've added a {cn} tag. ] 21:55, 11 December 2007 (UTC) | ::Also, the quote that says the protest involved the claim that "war is coming to America" does not appear in any of the 4 sources that are cited. A reference is needed for it; I've added a {cn} tag. ] 21:55, 11 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
| :::The watchman.org article contains a detailed explanation, read the part which refers to the biblical book of Ezekiel. Gee whiz. And I told you already, PLEASE DON'T POST QUOTATIONS FROM POORLY-RESEARCHED ARTICLES INVOLVING MY NAME HERE WITHOUT FIRST POSTING YOUR NAME. You are harrassing me, plain and simple. Please stop, now. ] (]) 23:29, 11 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Book of Abraham
Does any one know if the Church of Christ believes in Book of Abraham?
I believe they do to some degree, howver, you may want to ask User:John Hamer a Non-LDS historian who is familiar with many of the various sects. Drop him a line on his talk page. He'd know better than most. -Visorstuff 7 July 2005 00:50 (UTC)
The church believes the Bible and the Book of Mormon and only a few modern revelations. The church publishes a concise form of their beliefs in an "Articles of Faith and Practice," and they hold to it closely. They publish the Book of Commandments, but are quick to point out that this is not scripture, but simply a collection of revelations, each of which must be read carefully to determine its origin. You may find a member here and there who reads and accepts such works, but not as a whole.
Copyright problem?
The recent edit claims to be from a publication from said church. This looks like a copyright problem. Val42 July 7, 2005 01:44 (UTC)
- So you should have done something about it. Reverted to previous. -- Cyrius|✎ 08:06, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
Is this a faction of the Church of Christ with the Elijah Message
Church of Christ with the Elijah Message talks a lot about this group, and mentions the Article of Faith and Practice. How are these two groups related. It is not clear from either article. Bytebear 00:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
- This is one of the Fetting Groups; Otto Fetting was an Apostle who was excommunicated about 1930 due to a controversy concerning the exact design and location of a proposed Temple. Fetting led off a splinter group. This group is an extension of one of the splinters led by W.A. Draves. Both Draves and Fetting were visited by the resurrected and glorified John the Baptist (Elijah) in person who dictated messages to them. Dab295 Dab295 15:21, 24 October 2007 (UTC).
David Whitmer
The article is difficult to word and source properly, especially the section regarding David Whitmer's enormous, almost exclusive influence on the Church's theology. I keep having to go back and edit my own work, because every nuance is important, and should be stated properly. Doniphan 21:56, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
- It seems like some good information was lost in this edit. Would someone who knows this topic particularly well mind figuring out what has been taken out that should be reincluded? The Jade Knight 08:37, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
- (I moved your query here instead of under a subsequent heading 'recent additions/deletions'). The edit was made by myself, I only forgot to log in first. As I explain, "I having to go back and edit my own work..." Doniphan 12:53, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
Membership numbers?
This Temple Lot-ers article specifies 5K members, and 12K Elijah-messagers. The Succession crisis article specifies 12K Temple Lot-ers and an unknown number of EMers. Anyone able to reconcile those numbers? Thx. -- TheEditrix2 17:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Church burning incident
The identity of the vandal of the 1990 burning of the church on the Temple Lot has been given as "Jordan Smith" by a number of sources, which I have added. There's been a history of attempts to quash inclusion of this name here in the past, which have led to edit blocks, and any further attempts to do so by reversions will be duly investigated. Snocrates 21:04, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
- For my reply (and an explanation of why I changed Snocrates' slanderous heading) please see
http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Temple_Lot#Jordan_Smith_as_Civil_Rights_Activist
Jsmith 51389 (talk) 22:52, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- Please. Jordan Smith was convicted of arson. There was no intent to slander, only represent facts gained from sources. Snocrates 01:07, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
I've just restored the information Snocrates deleted on December 3, before citations were added. In other words, Snocrates mistakenly(?) deleted "facts gained from sources." If the article names the protester, it should also mention that he pleaded not guilty to those particular charges "on First Amendment grounds" and the article should also state that he claimed the incident was a protest: Verifiable facts which are described or alluded to in the existing citations. Jsmith 51389 (talk) 21:03, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
- No, the information was purposefully removed because it was uncited. The current edit's cited reference does not say the First Amendment was argued. The entire article
- Also, the quote that says the protest involved the claim that "war is coming to America" does not appear in any of the 4 sources that are cited. A reference is needed for it; I've added a {cn} tag. Snocrates 21:55, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
- The watchman.org article contains a detailed explanation, read the part which refers to the biblical book of Ezekiel. Gee whiz. And I told you already, PLEASE DON'T POST QUOTATIONS FROM POORLY-RESEARCHED ARTICLES INVOLVING MY NAME HERE WITHOUT FIRST POSTING YOUR NAME. You are harrassing me, plain and simple. Please stop, now. Jsmith 51389 (talk) 23:29, 11 December 2007 (UTC)