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Lernayin Gharabaghi or Lernayin-Gharabaghi

Shouldn't there be a hyphen as well? Steelmate (talk) 23:11, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't know Armenian, you tell me. Nagorno-Karabakh is how it is handled in English. --Golbez (talk) 23:30, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I am not sure myself, some armenian speaking people pls... Steelmate (talk) 00:05, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

There is no hyphen in the Armenian version of the name see wikt:Լեռնային Ղարաբաղ, of course thats not reliable. But the Foreign ministry of RoA agrees. You might have to teach your browser to read Armenian. VartanM (talk) 02:53, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Ok Thanks VartanM for confirming that, just wanted to make sure. Steelmate (talk) 04:11, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

History section

Isn't it way too big? We have a separate article for that, so can we possibly shrink it to include only main events? Steelmate (talk) 14:57, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Area and Geographic boundaries of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic

As I've mentioned in Talk:Lachin. This article is no longer about Nagorno-Karabakh the region. So when we talk about the de-facto bondaries of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, we need to state the bondaries described in the NKR and Armenia's negotiating position. This is the entire Nagorno-Karbakh Region plus Shaumian, Lachin Rayon (Kashatagh) and Kelbajar Rayon (Karvajar). In terms of are by square miles/km we should do what they do in the Israel article for area and but the area of just the region, put a slash then beside that put the area of the NKR/Armenia's negotiating position above. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 23:27, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

What is your sources saying the NKR has claimed Lachin and Kalbajar? The map you showed me also included areas like Agdam, Jabrayil, Zangilan, etc. Either all of this is claimed or none of it is claimed. --Golbez (talk) 00:25, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Rather than trying to prove that they have annexed it, shouldn't we be trying to prove that they have not annexed it? What we know is the following:

1) They hold census data for the Lachin Rayon which they call Kashatagh.

2) They maintain the infrastructure for much (but not all) of the occupied territories.

3) They assert that a Nagorno-Karabakh as an enclave inside Azerbaijan is out of the question.

4) Members of the Government in Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh seem to acknowledge that they will need to give something back for peace.

I will gather some references and post them here and we can discuss.Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 04:00, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

How do you propose I prove a negative? I have a source saying the NKAO+Shahumian=NKR. You do not have a source that says the surrounding rayons have been claimed or annexed. Of course they maintain the infrastructure and maintain census data, the USA performs similar services in Iraq, but that's not a part of the country. #3 and #4 have no bearing on this discussion, as that's their wish for the end-result, not the current situation. --Golbez (talk) 06:38, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Some support of Lachin under NKR

From panorama.am I have taken the liberty of bolding certain passages

AZERBAIJANI POLITICAL SCIENTIST SAYS COMPENSATING FORMER LACHIN RESIDENTS AN ATTEMPT TO SOLVE ARMENIAN-AZERBAIJANI CONFLICT

Six Azerbaijani citizens, formerly living in Lachin, have submitted a claim to the European Court of Human Rights demanding compensation for damage. The claim was accepted against Armenia and the court decided to discuss the case. Azerbaijani political scientist, Ilgar Mamedov, believes that Lachin is the one of the cornerstones of Nagorno Karabakh conflict settlement. He said OSCE co-chairs report serious progress. Particularly Mamedov refers to Matthew Bryza saying “the sides have agreed on hand over of territories under the Armenian control.”

This statement was followed by the Armenian ministry of foreign affairs saying “until the status of Nagorno Karabakh is decided, the right for self-determination of Karabakh people guaranteed and smooth geographical contacts with Armenia assured, Armenian side is not going to talk about tertiary issues.”

Further, the political scientist deliberates that “if the Azerbaijanies get compensated for their property according to law, they practically lose their right and interest to return to their places of resident. Isn’t this a best solution to settle numerous issues on the table of talks?” Mamedov raises the question. The political scientist also believes the compensations will be funded by international donors under “investment for peace regulation.” “It will be easier to force Azerbaijani to go for concessions on Lachin if there is no claimant for property,” Mamedov says.

More to come... Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 04:45, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

I see nothing here that says or implies that Lachin is part of Nagorno-Karabakh. It is all talking about what they want or demand the final settlement to be - but at present, it is Azeri territory, acknowledged I believe by everyone, even the occupying parties. --Golbez (talk) 06:38, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

NKR is not part of Azerbaijan, the NK region is

Grandmaster, wake up, we have two articles now, nothing to be confused about. Steelmate (talk) 08:04, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Still the territory of NK is part of Azerbaijan, and NKR does not exist de-jure. Grandmaster (talk) 08:19, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

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