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Yuletide Felicitations and the Compliments of the Season.

Thank you. Mark LessHeard vanU (talk) 00:19, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite. Some editor at ANI is calling for me to be blocked now. Seriously, I am absolutely fed up of such ignorance on this website. Any time I speak up, I always have some editor calling for blood. Betacommand uses the word "fucktard" though, it's alright. If an admin swears, it's alright. This website typifies double standards. It's either WP:CIVIL, or they have some other stupid page to quote. They can't even make their own opinions anymore, but need to find a damn Misplaced Pages page to link to. I really don't think ANI is achieving anything at all. They don't seem to understand that contributors are being driven away, nor do they seem to understand that this is an encyclopaedia. If you packed up tools and left, that'd be a few less music FAs in future. My opinions seem to be falling on deaf ears, and it's real sad. LuciferMorgan (talk) 00:54, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate the straight talk, and lack of BS. The truth is though, I've made a lot of comments about Betacommand that others don't like. It's what I believe though, and won't hold back. It's true though, that others tend to use alleged incivility to deflect the situation. Betacommand has given a new message, which I do not wish to comment upon. Suffice to say, I do not believe the words are genuine. Feel free to draw your own conclusions, though watch what you say (or else someone may ask for you to get blocked). LuciferMorgan (talk) 01:34, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Happy Christmas

Thanks - have a good one! Johnbod (talk) 02:04, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the well wishes, Ceoil; and may the New Year be a joyous one for you and yours. All the best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:52, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Image:The kiss.jpg

If this image is correctly tagged (I don't know, and I hope you could correct me if it is not), it is a fair use image, and thus not eligible for use anywhere except in article space, per our policies. I think it would be a good idea if you yourself either correct the tagging to clarify the copyright if it's mistagged, or remove it from your user page. I'd consider it a personal favour as well. Thanks for your consideration. ++Lar: t/c 03:14, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Removed. The painting is certainly notable, but is not discussed in enough depth in the artist's article to justify a FU rational. I have sources, somewhere, but it will take me a couple of days to complete this. Thanks for the note, though. Ceoil (talk) 17:45, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

No problem. I was referring to here rather than at the artist's article though... I don't know enough about the artist to know how significant the work is, but it well could be significant. ++Lar: t/c 20:46, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Don't panic during the holidays

Merry Christmas, you wily Irishman. WesleyDodds (talk) 10:06, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 25 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ralph Griffiths, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Joy Division

Sure, I'll be happy to. I'll take a look in the morning and see where I can help out. Merry Christmas! Regards, Dan.—DCGeist (talk) 05:09, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Alice in Chains

Hello, I submitted Alice in Chains for Peer review, would you mind commenting on Misplaced Pages:Peer review/Alice in Chains.
Thank you,
Burningclean  03:46, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

My advice for you.

Leave Misplaced Pages. Your contributions are not appreciated. Misplaced Pages cares about those who delete fair use images but does not care about those who write featured articles. If article writers walk away, either Jimbo will realise what is wrong and make sure the project gets its priorities right (then you should come back) or the project will be ruled by those who delete fair use images, with nobody to write articles (then you should not come back). Just some friendly advice from a lurker. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.189.57.144 (talk) 11:20, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks 59.189.57.144. Note that you voice was reverted twice by people that seem not to have read your full msg. So ironic. Ceoil (talk) 01:20, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Apologies for the revert Ceoil, I acted hastily (apparently a common problem in admins *cough*). Today has not been a good day for the encyclopedia, and comments like the one above saddens me. Rest assured that your contributions are appreciated. In some aspects, Misplaced Pages is struggling to define itself with its own success. Trolling, pov-pushing and systematic efforts to undermine the encyclopedia are present, and when I say that I'm definitely not referring to the efforts of Giano, yourself or any of our other great writers. I'm talking about bitter infighting among nationalists, anti-science editing in evolution and users becoming more skilled at skirting our policies, never acting quite badly enough to be thrown out. For better or worse, wikipedia has become important - in some aspects it defines Truth. How tempting is it not to edit it to reflect your Truth then? After enduring and combating that for days, weeks or months, it is not surprising that the good faith of some admins is badly bruised. After seeing so much very skilled disruptive behavior, it is not easy to tell friend from foe, to tell a genuine grievance from trolling. I believe this is what's behind many recent problems, not some plot to rid the world of fair use images. I wish we as a collective could be more calm, more willing to ignore insults and more skilled in defusing conflicts. Thank you, and apologies. henrik•talk 01:23, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I have no problem with honest mistakes henrik. Thanks for the explination, and believe me I don't underestimate the terrible things admins encounter every day, or undervalue their effort in fighting back. My beef is accoutability; and a desire to see a more widespread display of the attitude you showed just now. Ceoil (talk) 01:37, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

What a nice message from Henrik. I started to say more, but then I got my senses back about me and sat on my fingers. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:38, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

That message did not mean "Get lost, I hate you". It is a sad reflection of what Misplaced Pages is like. I appreciate Ceoil's contributions but leaving Misplaced Pages is best for him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.189.62.101 (talk) 14:13, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Replyed on myserious anons talk. Ceoil (talk) 16:39, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry

Sorry for that anons comments, everyones contributions are welcome even yours. If there was a problem some one would have told you by now and they would not tell you to "leave" that only applies to vandals. I am warning the user for personal attacks. If you need anything from me do not hesitate to ask. Rgoodermote  01:14, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Even mine? The anon msg was welcome, please read more than the first ten words of comments you revert. Ceoil (talk) 01:19, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I read the entire message seemed vandal in nature. Sorry long night..need to remove that warning huh...Rgoodermote  01:28, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

That was my first reading too, tbh. "Long night" is a good excuse, no harm done. Ceoil (talk) 01:32, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I am again sorry, this had made me realize that I need to continue with my holiday break though....to much eggnog does weird things to the mind. Rgoodermote  01:33, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

And the liver, and the stomack ;-). Ceoil (talk) 01:39, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Good Night and Happy Editing to you. Rgoodermote  01:41, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Las Meninas

Pleasure to contribute. Great article. Tyrenius (talk) 01:36, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Primal Scream

Primal Scream is the current COTW. Could you spare a brother a soundclip of "Loaded"? Also, I'm probably going to go through your Back Pages account to look for reference material. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:10, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I just remembered: aren't we supposed to be getting a new My Bloody Valentine record before the end of the year? Kevin Shields has four days to prove he isn't talking out of his ass. WesleyDodds (talk) 12:03, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

All things Velázquez

Hi Ceoil, I'd be glad to help with the Venus, the Pope, and all things Velázquez. Thanks for asking. Great work, by the way, on Las Meninas. JNW (talk) 14:04, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I am going to return to the catalogue raisonne by Lopez-Rey, which probably has good info on provenance and history. I also have a couple of older books on Velazquez, which I will check on, too. Might not get to it for a few hours or more--there's some post-holiday real-life work to be done. So much for leaving wikiland. Research like this is just too enjoyable. Cheers, JNW (talk) 14:19, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes. The line I think about is from Terms of Endearment, when, at the airport, Nicholson drawls, Almost a clean getaway. JNW (talk) 14:24, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: Hey

Yeah, Christmas was alright. I didn't go to any gigs though, since there were none on that really caught my interest. I'm more of the "listen to the CD" type than go to the gigs a lot really. Hope your Christmas went well. LuciferMorgan (talk) 14:55, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

You seem to be having ding dongs with a fair few in the past couple of days. Calm down, you're making me look like an altar boy (bad for my reputation lol). You're better off leaving such affairs to others and sticking to article creation. I've spoken up on issues in a curt manner in the past, and it hasn't helped much. Better off sticking to article writing. For some reason, nobody batters an eyelid (except one or two) when Sandy's harassed anyway. I noticed an editor call her a "sad bastard" at the talk page of FAC once, and nobody said anything. It's bit of a sad situation when you think about it. LuciferMorgan (talk) 02:34, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Your note

I talked to the user, Ceoil, and advised him/her to stay away from the people in question, and to be careful to stick within the rules. I'll also be keeping an eye on things. The blocking admin had no objections, so I unblocked on that basis. SlimVirgin 18:07, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

A change in which policy? SlimVirgin 18:47, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

RE: Flipping

Hey comrade. I discussed it with CloudNine and he gave me the go-ahead. Most of our project articles, as well as most high-quality articles in general list the references above the notes. I find this way to be favorable because if the references are above the notes, the reader can familiarize themselves with the full sources, before seeing the abbreviated citations within the notes. It seems clearer and more logical that way—to me at least. I should note however that there don't seem to be any guidelines on this issue as yet, so logic and clarity are all I really have to go on. If you'd kindly revert your reverts, I'd be very thankful. Best wishes. Grim (talk) 18:37, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

The role of the admin - per Zeraeph, SlimVirgin et al

The admins are more janitors than managers. An admin may unblock an editor or perform one of the functions permissable not because of a complete understanding of the matter but because other (non-admin) editors have formed a consensus but needs somebody to carry out the task. The other matter is that admins are very civil when involving themselves in circumstances that another admin has already acted - what you saw was diplomatic language (I am also of an opposing viewpoint over several matters of policy interpretation with SV, so being ultra civil indicates a willingness to work together despite other differences). There is also the matter that I have dealt solicitors, barristers, Queens Counsel, and the like in my professional career and am used to writing in those terms. Lastly, do I think you are a child...? I am 48 years old. LessHeard vanU (talk) 00:23, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

There's a combo you don't see every day. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:36, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

-). Ceoil (talk) 00:37, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

You wake up with what you go to bed with. Ceoil (talk) 00:38, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict):I am explaining why I used the language I did - when I write civilly I use the terminology that is natural to me, which might be considered arcane - rather than indicating that I have some claim of intellectual mastery or the like. In the event SV replied to me in similar language, which indicates that my message was properly delivered. Whatever, why should I care that you wish to involve yourself in discussions between two other parties?LessHeard vanU (talk) 00:51, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Huh? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:28, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Huh exactly. Meaningless bluster. the language I did - was that when you told me to fuck off? Ceoil (talk) 01:42, 29 December 2007 (UTC)