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| ===Requirements for users to have rollback=== | ===Requirements for users to have rollback=== | ||
| ⚫ | There are no prerequisites ''per se'' for getting the tools, although a user should not have a history of edit warring and should have shown an understanding of the project and a need for the rollback permission (an example as to how this may be gained is through vandalism reversion). Although it may not be easy to determine this, administrators should evaluate requests for rollback on individual merit and review the users contributors edit history before granting them the permission. | ||
| Below is a rough guide for what is required for users to get the permission, although final decisions are left to administrator discretion and admins may give the permission with lower standards in certain situations; | |||
| *A minimum of 1000 edits in total. | |||
| *A minimum of 500 ] edits. | |||
| *No history of edit warring within the last six months. | |||
| *No blocks for edit warring within the past year | |||
| *A general understanding of how Misplaced Pages works. | |||
| *Have been at Misplaced Pages, actively editing, for three months. | |||
| *A need for the rollback permission. | |||
| ⚫ | Although it may not be easy to determine this, administrators should evaluate requests for rollback on individual merit and review the users contributors edit history before granting them the permission. | ||
| ==Removal of the permission== | ==Removal of the permission== | ||
Revision as of 23:29, 30 December 2007
 | Please read through the proposal, and decide whether to support or oppose the general principals and implementation. Minor adjustments to the managements of it can be made in the discussion section |
 | The following is a proposed Misplaced Pages policy, guideline, or process. The proposal may still be in development, under discussion, or in the process of gathering consensus for adoption. |
On the user contributions page, admins have the additional "rollback" links at lines which are the last edit made by anybody to that article. Some user scripts (mentioned below) also give users the ability to rollback with an automated edit summary. The rollback link is also shown on the diff page when viewing the difference between any version of the page and the most recent one. Clicking on the link reverts to the previous edit not authored by the last editor, with an automatic edit summary of "Reverted edits by X (talk) to last version by Y," which marks the edit as "minor." If, between loading the User Contributions page and pressing "rollback," someone else edits or rolls back the page, or if there was no previous editor, you will get an error message.
Traditionally, this has been open only to administrators the developers have made it possible for non-administrators to have this tool to aid them with recent change patrolling.
The point has now come where we have a rough consensus as to what the restrictions should be in place, and the community is now asked to look at forming a consensus as to its implimentation.
Proposal
The way it works
Users may request the rollback button should they suffice in having the minimum requirement as detailed below.
- They should first put a request in at the section below.
- Administrators should check the history of the contributor to see if they can be trusted with the tool.
- If the administrator is satisfied, they can then go to Special:Userrights (see $wgAddGroups and $wgRemoveGroups before thinking whoever put Userrights in has gone mad) and this will add the user into the rollback usergoup, giving them the rollback tool.
- The tool will be the same as the administrator rollback tool, with no limitations.
Requirements for users to have rollback
There are no prerequisites per se for getting the tools, although a user should not have a history of edit warring and should have shown an understanding of the project and a need for the rollback permission (an example as to how this may be gained is through vandalism reversion). Although it may not be easy to determine this, administrators should evaluate requests for rollback on individual merit and review the users contributors edit history before granting them the permission.
Removal of the permission
If there is misuse of the rollback permission, a user should report this to the incidents noticeboard. A discussion can then take place to evaluate the users use of the tool, and with a consensus on the noticeboard, any administrator may remove the tool by going to Special:Userrights. Any repeated giving and revoking the permission over a short period of time without consensus to do so will be considered wheel warring and will be subject to the same sanctions.
Discussion
Support
- Nick (talk) 23:13, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
- Support - Some excellent vandal-fighters who could use the rollback function very well fail RfAs for non-rollback related reasons (i.e. misjudged CSD tags, etc.). Giving these users rollback will only give Misplaced Pages a net benefit. Keilana(recall) 23:15, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Oppose
- Oppose, would encourage stalking and other abuses. Editors already have access to the rollback function in the article history, this is sufficient. Martintg (talk) 23:25, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
- Encourage stalking? May I ask how? If there's misuse it can be removed straight away anyway. Users have no access to rollback currently as it's faster than any other tool. Ryan Postlethwaite 23:27, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Discussion
- just some random thoughts, But I agree that admins should have the ability to grant/remove the rollback, But let me toss in another wrinkle that might make things easier, users who have more than 10,000 edits and have been with the project for over 6 months automatically get granted rollback, (by a software config, that already exists) but admins can still remove the auto given right. β 23:15, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
- Hmmm, not sure about this, we have a lot of people with over 10,000 edits that really couldn't be trusted with it and would use it soley for edit warring. Ryan Postlethwaite 23:17, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
- Then it can be removed from them. Majorly (talk) 23:22, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
- Hmmm, not sure about this, we have a lot of people with over 10,000 edits that really couldn't be trusted with it and would use it soley for edit warring. Ryan Postlethwaite 23:17, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
You could pass an RfA with those fixed requirements up there, making this whole thing pointless. Do away with them and let administrators exercise their judgement; they're supposed to be trusted members of the community, not dumb automatons that get spoonfed instructions with no room for discretion – Gurch 23:22, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
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