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Can people who watch this page please look into this. I feel I am throwing dust into the wind. We don't want to lose Sandy. Ceoil (talk) 02:30, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Zeraeph again and still? That's not a surprise, she attracts a lot of commotion and thrives on it. But I'm a bit surprised that LessHeard vanU (an admin) is telling people to fuck off, particularly after I graciously accepted his apology the last time that happened. Is there something more going on that I need to know here, because none of this adds up for me? Does someone want me off of Wiki? I thought I was fine with LHvU; is there something I don't know going on backchannel? And why did SlimVirgin unblock someone who has repeatedly attacked me right after everyone became aware on a WP:AN thread of an off-Wiki attack on me (not to mention the others not yet revealed) and with standing attacks on me on that user's talk page? And why is SlimVirgin questioning how Ceoil came to this matter, when that AN thread is clearly right below the AN thread dealing with the matter pertaining to the unfair block of Ceoil? You'd have to be blind to miss it. I'm certainly missing something here, because it looks like 1) Ceoil is unjustly blocked, leading to an AN thread, at the same time that 2) another unrelated thread on AN draws everyone's attention to an off-Wiki attack on me, leading to 3) SlimVirgin's premature unblocking of that editor, leading to 4) LHvU telling Ceoil to fuck off for defending me. Gee, and I've always believed in WP:NPA, WP:CIVIL and WP:5P. Silly, naive me. I always thought it was possible to just write a lot of good articles by keeping your nose clean and working hard on Wiki. I guess I've got the wrong place, because there's so much drama here it's hard to get any work done. Thanks for defending me, Ceoil, but I want nothing to do with a Zeraeph tangle; you're a good friend and a good person and a good article writer. Are those the qualities Wiki seeks in its editors? More questions than answers here. I'm not venturing into that mess on LessHeard vanU's talk page, but I thought he and I were fine; he's welcome to address his beef directly with me rather than telling my friends to fuck off. I think if Jimbo wants me gone, it would be far more effective and leaderlike of him to just say so. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:54, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Sandy, you're engaged in conspiracy theory here. I know nothing about this situation, nor any of the names, and if I have to be blind to miss the connections, then I'm blind.

My request to you is that you don't comment on Zeraeph anymore. Rightly or wrongly, she feels pursued by you, and you have been posting a lot about her. Rightly or wrongly, you feel pursued by her, and she has also posted a lot about you. You're both people who take a lot of pride in your work, and there has been a clash as a result. We can either have a full investigation with a view to assigning blame, or we can move on, and hope the situation dies away. My aim is to try to facilite the latter by sorting out the c;ontent dispute in a way everyone can live with. If it doesn't work and behavioral issues arise again, they can be dealt with later. But please, in the meantime, I'd appreciate both sides not saying anything else that might stir things up again. SlimVirgin 03:14, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Deflection, deflection, deflection. don't comment on Zeraeph anymore? That was the hope until you unblocked, with the back up rational: 'hoping someone can explain the dispute to me' and on Psychopathy's talk: 'not aware of the background'.?? Please have the guts to stand up and admit the unblocking was intended an arrow into Sandy. As I say, we are not children here. Have some guts. Ceoil (talk) 03:21, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Is my intelligence insulted yet (let me check)? No, still intact. SV, please don't come to my talk page to make false statements. I don't post a lot about her; in case you haven't noticed, I'm usually much too busy actually doing something on Wiki to concern myself with the Zeraeph issue of the day that always seems to land on my talk page whether I like it or not. Since I've never been the one to stir things up with her, your post here is flatly as insulting and malinformed as your sudden involvement in unblocking her. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:25, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree with Ceoil here, since it's well known that SlimVirgin isn't Sandy's biggest fan. Therefore, I feel the unblocking was a conflict of interest. LuciferMorgan (talk) 03:31, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

You mean SV doesn't like me? Why am I always the last to know and what did I ever do to her? I wonder if anyone told her that mentorship of Z already failed once :-) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:43, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

OK, now that the shock and awe has passed, I'm rereading some of the bile deposited on my talk page, and I'm frankly astounded. I'm here minding my own business, working my buns off for Wiki, and along comes SV out of nowhere to surprisingly unblock someone who has harassed and attacked me on and off-Wiki for more than a year, who then proceeds to have an immediate content dispute of the same type she was last blocked for and which she also did last August with someone else, all on articles I don't edit, none of these articles involve me, and then SV has the nerve to come to my talk page and lecture me and make false statements and inaccurate assumptions here and at WP:AN when I had nothing to do with the whole damn mess other than the fact that a friend of mine was told to fuck off and accused of being Z's gazillionth stalker after he noticed what was happening? AMAZING. Utterly amazing. Must be bedtime here; I'll sleep well. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 05:50, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Zzz, Sandy. Mind you, the srongest retort from SV was that I posted (I think) 39 times on the same topic. Fairy fucking...ah no im too nice to say (Fuck off, fucktard.......apparently thoes words are now allowed). Ceoil (talk) 06:01, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Community ban discussion. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 08:05, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

• Sandy, I just wanted to stop by and let you know that you are sincerely appreciated by the vast majority of editors for your good faith efforts to improve the project and your absolute grasp of policy. I have removed a personal attack against you from that person's talk page, and will continue to remove anything I think is defamatory. I hope you know that the majority of us....well, practically worship you for all you do, and would be appalled were you to leave due to some unstable editor harassing you. If I can ever be of assistance, please let me know and I will do all possible. Very sincerely, Jeffpw (talk) 10:18, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks, Jeff, your words are very thoughtful and appreciated, and that was very kind of you. I won't leave because then they win, but I'm certainly not getting anything useful done. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 10:22, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

• Just to say that I agree with Jeff 100%. Mattisse 16:40, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

• LOL, she put them back. It's a time sink :-) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 10:23, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I sent you an email. Jeffpw (talk) 18:02, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Anyone who is sending me e-mail should recognize that I can't keep up with them all. I'm sorry my responses are terse, but I'm inundated. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:11, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

SandyGeorgia, I've just discovered the Administrator's Noticeboard discussion and the Request for Arbitration regarding you and Zeraeph. I'll post my comments to the former once I've had a chance to read through it. As for the latter, I don't think that Arbitration is the best way of dealing with this matter, but I've contributed some links and will be contributing a statement for the event that it is accepted. —Psychonaut (talk) 21:27, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Request for arbitration

I have filed a request for arbitration where you are an involved party. Please see Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration and add a statement if you wish. Jehochman 17:42, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

It's Christmas, JE, and my family is home for the holidays, and I will be traveling cross country in January, to an area where I have limited internet access. Uh, uh. Settle it now, or wait til February. Z has harassed me for a year; there's no hurry. Who is so anxious to get this before ArbCom, I wonder? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:45, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

The dispute involves multiple parties, not just you. The committee will grant time if time is needed. I have very recent experience with that. I do not think this case will resolve before Spring. Jehochman 18:22, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

By which time Z will have retired and unretired another dozen or so times, while I'm supposed to start gathering diffs and then really neglect my family? Right. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:23, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Please put your family first. I promised justice, and I meant it. You can sit back and watch if you want to. Jehochman 18:25, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

You seem to be forgetting who asked for that promise, Jehochman. Certainly not Sandy. She has been quite articulate about her opinion that the form of "justice" you've insitited upon initiating is both burdensome and unwarranted. Now you behave as if it does her a favor to flout her wishes. That looks decidedly patronizing. Durova 20:21, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what this talk of a promise is about; can someone point me somewhere? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:58, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I think Jenochman is suggesting he's committed to this. We could, in fact, wait 'til February. There's no clear and present danger. Should someone ask for as much at arb? Marskell (talk) 03:15, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

After wading through diffs and so on for more than 45 minutes, I see similarities to an ArbCom case I've just come out of as a semi-party (although it was a quite different case in magnitude and actions) - it concluded in under 2 weeks and the findings were really simple, clear and obvious. I don't doubt that would be the case again here as it isn't one of those disputes where there are two sides needing to be reconciled. The harassment and false allegations are all over the board - I've certainly had no real trouble finding them and I doubt the Committee will either. Orderinchaos 07:48, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree. That the main party came off the block and implied that an editor posed a physical threat to her is nearly evidence enough. Marskell (talk) 17:07, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Zeraeph-SandyGeorgia

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Zeraeph-SandyGeorgia/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Zeraeph-SandyGeorgia/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, — Rlevse • Talk • 19:36, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Reply

I will not be responding to queries about this case or discussing it or Zeraeph now or in the future. Thank you for respecting my wishes not to engage this topic on my talk page, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:46, 1 January 2008 (UTC)