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Zaolzie

Vazeny pane. Dokud jsem editorem, nepripustim v tomto clanku zadne zdroje z mezivalecneho obdobi ani z obdobi komunismu. V mezivalecnem obdobi neni jedine knihy, ktera by byla nestranna, a to z obou stran. Taky jsem mohl zacitovat podobne "dilo" z druhe strany, ktere tvrdi, ze cela Ostrava byla etnicky polska, ale neucinim tak, jelikoz to je hloupost. Stejne jako Budovani statu, se vsi uctou k Peroutkovi. Tuto knihu jsem cetl v ramci VS studia a je v mnoha oblastech absolutne "mimo misu". V mezivalecnem obdobi se o tomto "konfliktu" ani nedalo napsat nic nestranneho, zvlaste kdyz mezi obema zememi i na samotnem uzemi panovalo velke napeti. To same se da rict o ere komunismu, kdy se vsechno zametalo pod koberec a na radu prisel tzv. "komunisticky nacionalismus". Jiste vam vadi Zahradnikova kniha, ale kdybyste si ji precetl, tak byste zjistil, ze autor (profesionalni historik) cituje radu historiku, vcetne mnoha ceskych. Stejne tak Siwek, ktery spolu se skupinou ceskych etnografu na Ostravske univerzite zkoumaji dany problem. Ja osobne se touto problematikou zabyvam dlouhou dobu a jsem nestranny. Proti Cechum absolutne nic nemam, nemame zadne problemy, spolupracujeme spolu. Nevim odkud jste vy? Ale patrne se v danem regionu nepohybujete nebo se o tuto problematiku tak hluboce nezajimate, jinak byste nemohl Peroutku citovat. /If you do not understand, ask me for translation./ - Darwinek 21:38, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Vazeny pane. Objektivni je. Zachycuje nacionalismus obou stran, bezpravi cinene ceskou a pozdeji i polskou vladou (ze to bylo horsi je rovnez zmineno). Pointless to je i tak, jelikoz za 20 let zadna polska mensina zde jiz de facto existovat nebude. Dekuji. - Darwinek 22:23, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Za prve nejsem nacionalistou, tvoje oznaceni je osobnim utokem a urazi me. A Zahradnik neni anti-cesky, je to vynikajici historik. To spis ty mi prijdes jako polonofobni revisionista. --Darwinek 19:56, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

"Speeding up assimilation" je synonymem "Cechizace" nebo treba take "Germanizace". Je to de facto to same, jenom v jinem obalu. Jinak nevim jak ty, ale ja jsem zaslouzilym editorem vice nez dva roky a vazenym uzivatelem. Ty jsi tu tyden, ale mel bys uz odejit, mimo internet jsou i jine kratochvile. --Darwinek 20:04, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Vysvetli mi jednu vec, kdyz "authorities" jenom "supported Czechization", tak kdo ji pak provadel? A jeste k neustalemu pridavani "worse" k 1938. V clanku je popsano co se delo, kazdy ctenar si muze sam udelat obrazek jestli to bylo horsi, a ze bylo. P.S. Prozdradis mi odkudpak jses? Nebo je to hrozne tajemstvi? -- Darwinek 20:17, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Ten "burzoazni" paskvil je to, pred cim jsem take varoval. Je to jeste z knihy vydane behem komunismu. Take Miroslav Hroch, vyborny odbornik na nacionalismus, psal za komunismu strasne zvasty poplatne dobe. Menim tedy na "supported" a je to vyresene. Dejiny stejne nezmenis, obe strany delaly svinarny, takova uz byla doba. Cesi chytre asimilovali, Polaci z Polska v 1938 zase proste Cechy odsunuli. Jenom dobre, ze tahle doba uz pominula a zijeme spolu v miru a v pohode. -- Darwinek 20:45, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Chlebowczyk ma pravdu, potvrzuji to i mnohe vypovedi pametniku, s kterymi jsem mluvil. Jinak ja osobne si myslim, ze to bylo horsi, protoze to bylo raznejsi a radikalnejsi opatreni. Edukacni a socio-ekonomicka opatreni ceske strany byla spis dlouhodobejsiho razu. Ta veta, ze to bylo "similar" neni myslim zas tak spatna. Neni tam psane, ze to bylo stejne. Similar v tom, ze obema stranam slo o diskriminaci strany druhe. Mozna by to slo nejak prepracovat, tu vetu. Nejake napady? - Darwinek 21:08, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

OK. Upravil jsem to tak, jak jsme se domluvili. - Darwinek 22:15, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Omluvu prijimam. Doufam, ze zanechame vsech zbytecnych sporu a putek. - Darwinek 08:08, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi Xixaxu,

• I'm very sorry to hear that you are having an unhappy experience as a Wikipedian. I wish I could help — but honestly, I know absolutely nothing about any disputes between the Czechs and the Poles. I'm also sorry to hear that you feel you are being treated unfairly & your views are not being heard. I can only suggest that you try going through the process at Misplaced Pages:Resolving disputes. I have never done that before, either, so I can't give you much advice about how to do it. I'm certain that someone there can help you through the process, if that's what you would like to do.
• As for whether or not Zaolzie should be a Good Article — believe it or not, that's not terribly important (at least in my opinion). In my opinion, what is important is that you find a process for working out a reasonable solution to your perception that you are being treated unfairly. Again, I can only suggest that you try Misplaced Pages:Resolving disputes. My only hope is that you and all the people whom you disagree with can resolve your differences and work together harmoniously! :-)
• Best regards, --Ling.Nut 15:10, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

PS — feel free to ask if you have further questions, but I should tell you, I may not know the answers to your questions... --Ling.Nut 15:21, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

I will look at the English discussion on article talk page soon. I'd suggest trying WP:RFC for article, and asking for comments on Czech and Polish noticeboards (and recently a Silesian one has opened too). The more people comment, the clear it will be who is right and who is wrong. The last time I looked at your additions they were controversial and reliability of sources was not shown.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  15:55, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello. I have altered some things in the dialect article after I read that Hannan's book, which is very interesting by the way. Hope we are now OK. I propose peace between the two of us. ;) P.S. Hannan cites at least four of Zahradnik's (so rejected by you) books, by the way. :) - Darwinek 20:04, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what is your problem and why are you writing to me. I know you always thought I am a pov-pusher but that is not true. I would appreciate if you refrain from visiting my talk page and harassing and trolling my person. - Darwinek 23:25, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

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I do not wish to be involved in this case, but because you are a new user, please read this 3RR, I assume you are not informed about it and you should get over 4 reverts soon. ≈Tulkolahten≈ 20:35, 7 January 2008 (UTC)