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| yes, those photos belong linked to this article, despite the OPINIONS of the359 and NcSchu who keep touting the rules. I understand that wiki rules dictate that you cannot link to your personal site for self promotion, I think its time to think outside the box here and come to a concensus that those photographs add infinite value to the article. That particular type of industrial architecture is specific to this company and therefore directly related to the company contrary to the limited view of user the359. People need to see them, and to deprive them of the images, which in my opinion, at this point offer far more words than the skimpy article created here and until the "writers" of this article find a way to enrich the writing beyond its bare bones state i vote they stay. Perhaps the359 should stick to editing racecar articles? | |||
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Content
Q: Im a photographer and a designer not a writer, but does anyone think this article is a little short? This is on the most significant Industrial sites in our nation, that has recently (and about 10 years ago) had major portions demolished, wiping sections of our industrial history off the planet. We all need to take this article very seriously and make sure that it represents the significance of the site. Wheres the Beef? Id be happy to provide photos and to research and use public domain historic photos if the content was a bit richer, you dig? —urbanarcheolgy
Question about South Bethlehem resolved
Q: I'm not sure that Bethlehem Steel was founded in South Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. I think the proper place is Bethlehem, Pennsylvania (but correctly, the south side of it). I didn't know that South Bethlehem was even a city until I clicked the link, it's out north of Pittsburgh. Bethlehem, PA is out in eastern PA next to Allentown and is where Beth Steel has been for years.
- Yes, I just figured that out too. The truly picky would make a disambiguator for the two South Bethlehems, but I finessed by moving the "South" outside the link; it will likely be a long time before anyone wants to make articles for Bethlehem PA neighborhoods... Stan 04:18, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
A: South Bethlehem was a separate municipality at the time that Bethlehem Steel was founded. Bethlehem and South Bethlehem merged in 1917. See http://www.leo.lehigh.edu/projects/tax/bethhistory.html
Removed no-longer-working external link
Someone can put it back later if it proves to be OK. Highly dysfunctional right now (crashed both Firefox 1.5.0.6 and IE7).
- Bethlehem Steel homepage (archived) - A November 27, 2004 historic Internet Archive cache of the no longer operational site
Merge
- Strongly suggest against it. This page is about the company, Bethlehem Works is a redevelopment project which has NOTHING to do with this article. 68.39.174.238 04:16, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
- I agree. Yes, the topics of Bethlehem Steel Corporation and the Bethlehem Works redevelopment project are related, but that doesn't mean that their Misplaced Pages articles have to be merged, any more than the article Henry Ford needs to be merged with Ford Motor Company. In fact, merging them would just foster ungainliness. The Bethlehem Steel article should eventually grow to be plenty big all by itself, when the history is gradually developed beyond stub status. It is perfectly fine to have a link that takes the reader to the Works article. The articles don't have to be cobbled together. Lumbercutter 19:11, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
- Result of the merge discussion = few people cared enough to weigh in, but those who did said no. I removed the tag. — Lumbercutter 16:21, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Freight cars
The comments about the company abandoning the hardworking people of Johnstown, PA seem POV. Vorenus 13:42, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
You can't dispute the truth, no matter how much it hurts. There is no way a casino can replace a steel mill when it comes to America's former industrial might. MakeChooChooGoNow 15:10, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Photos
I have a bunch of photos from the steel. I would like to share some on this site. How do people feel about adding a photo album to this page. Also, I changed the photo that was on the Lehigh Valley and Pennsylvania pages. I would appreciate feedback. Jschnalzer 23:22, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
The Naval Historical Center has wonderful aerial photograph of the Bethlehem-Hingham shipyard dated February 1944, its catalogue number is 80-G-218183 and if somebody could get and upload a copy it would make a great addition to this article (alas it is not one of the images that the Naval Historical Center has available on-line). As I understand it images from the Naval Historical Center are public domain in the United States because they are a work of the United States Federal Government under the terms of 17 U.S.C.§ 105. Thefrood 02:24, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
I wanted to add a link to the Bethlehem Steel page, at www.oboylephoto.com/steel I think that the photographs in my essay of Bethelehem Steel, all taken in 2006, give a very in depth look at the unseen buildings, architecture and hardware found at The Steel as it was just prior to the Casino construction. I did add a link myself, and it was removed, I wan't sure how to use the talk area to discuss the issue until now. I personally think the photographs add a great deal to the understanding of the scale and complexity of the Bethlehem Steel site, and show many buildings that have now been removed for parking lots. Any feedback would be appreciated. Soboyle (talk) 17:59, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
- Great photos. I would be in favour of a link, but it's up to a consensus of editors to decide, and not the photographer. Would you consider releasing any under GFDL, as the Victoria and Albert Museum has done? See a list of the uploads here. That way your work can be used freely throughout wikipedia, and you would be credited on the image page. Have a look at the explanation at User_talk:VAwebteam#GFDL. NB such images should not be watermarked. Tyrenius (talk) 19:24, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
- I would be more than okay in seeing some of these photos uploaded and included in the article, but I still disagree with the External Link. NcSchu(Talk) 19:49, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
- For what it's worth - I think the photos are valuable and worthwhile and should be here. Modernist (talk) 12:44, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
yes, those photos belong linked to this article, despite the OPINIONS of the359 and NcSchu who keep touting the rules. I understand that wiki rules dictate that you cannot link to your personal site for self promotion, I think its time to think outside the box here and come to a concensus that those photographs add infinite value to the article. That particular type of industrial architecture is specific to this company and therefore directly related to the company contrary to the limited view of user the359. People need to see them, and to deprive them of the images, which in my opinion, at this point offer far more words than the skimpy article created here and until the "writers" of this article find a way to enrich the writing beyond its bare bones state i vote they stay. Perhaps the359 should stick to editing racecar articles?
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