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Hello, Hong Qi Gong. I guess you already know that the professor at Asia University was sued by a victim of the Nanking massacre for libel, and the Tokyo district's verdict stated that "the quality of the defendant's work which is a rebuttal against Chang's book is poor in academy and filled with trivia. I think the reaction in Japan also should include the info along with all the Japanese professors mentioned on the article who are engaging in a ultra right-wing committee in Japan. --Appletrees (talk) 22:05, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I was not aware of that actually. I still think it does a huge disservice to the readers to use right wing critics and not mention that some of them go as far as to deny that the massacre even happened. I am not sure how to reach a compromise with User:Saintjust though. It seems to me he only wants to inflate the article with any and all criticism he can find, no matter how trivial, and no matter that some of them may violate WP:UNDUE. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 07:43, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Fujioka Nobukatsu (藤岡信勝), Higashinakano Shudo (東中野修道) They are members of Japanese Society for History Textbook Reform and Prof. Fujioka is even the vice president of the comittee. Here are links regarding the lawsuit.

Well, the editor has been very "famous" for his writings on Korean related articles as well. The article of Secretary-General of UN, Ban Ki-moon is one of his long-term favorites and is a featured article too. In the example of Ijime article (of course deleted), his behavioral pattern is too transparent. Anyway, I think you can gather more opinions from editors possibly interested in the subject as you post a note to get a help at military, history, and East Asia wiki project groups. --12:02, 28 December 2007 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Appletrees (talk • contribs)

Black slaves in Tang Dynasty

I have read the above article before. The book Snow, Philip. The Star Raft: China's Encounter With Africa. Cornell Univ. Press, 1989 (ISBN 0801495830) mentions the import of east African slaves by Arab traders during the Tang-Song Dynasties. These slaves were called (along with Southeast Asians) "Kun-lun", a generic term used to classify all dark-skinned people. It says the Tang Chinese believed the African slaves had supernatural strength, were great swimmers, and their black skin was actually a magic black salve that could cure diseases. But Song Chinese later learned they were only scared mortal men who were kidnapped from their homeland and forced to into slavery in China. Only the richest Chinese own these slaves.

I have not read it myself, but there is also the journal article The Magical Kunlun and "Devil Slaves": Chinese Perceptions of Dark-skinned People and Africa before 1500 (The linked article is just a summary of the actual research paper). I hope this helps. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 07:24, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Interesting. I'll save that link and read it when I have the time. Thanks. If I ever gather enough information that I think we can create an article out of it, I'll ask you and User:PericlesofAthens to help. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 07:45, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

More CJKV Dab's and "青山"

Hello, HongQiGong,

I created 7 more CJKV DAB's so far this year: 神, 酒, 餅, 蹴鞠, 中山, 玄米茶, 日本橋‎.

As you should know, we have a new DAB guideline at WP:DAB#Disambiguation of CJKV character names. However, since we don't have a project page yet (for a task force), I'm keeping track of all DAB's I create (or find) at User:Endroit/Chinese characters. I'll be putting additional new ones there, so please keep checking there, and make corrections to the DAB's.

Also, I'm going through a list of districts in Tokyo, and will be creating either a redirect or a Dab for each one. But then I came across Aoyama, Tokyo (青山), for which we have a DAB already at Aoyama. However I also discovered Castle Peak, Hong Kong, which is also "青山". How do you suggest we handle the Dab for 青山?--Endroit (talk) 21:52, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't actually don't want to go around creating DAB and redirect pages with Chinese-character names. But I am not opposed to you doing it. I'm more on board to maintain the existing pages that have been created and making DAB or redirect pages out of pages with Chinese-character titles. My attitude was really more along the lines of "well the page has been created, it doesn't really need to be deleted." Because let's be honest, this task is monumental and I have a feeling we'd eventually reach a point where there would be major opposition to the existence of pages with Chinese-character names.

As for creating the page 青山 - I would suggest if you are to create the page, to stick with subjects whose names are exactly "青山", and not "xxx青山" or "青山xxx", etc. It's not an uncommon name in both Chinese and Japanese (not sure about Korean), and it could get very long to include everything with the word "青山" in its name. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 23:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Anyway, if you are interested in creating a comprehensive DAB page for "青山", here are some China/Chinese related articles to include:

• Xichang Qingshan Airport
• Battle of Chingshanli
• Tsing Shan Monastery
• Castle Peak Road
• Castle Peak Hospital
• Castle Peak Bay

There are also places and people that don't have articles yet, and it's probably the same for Japan-related topics. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 00:34, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for all of your valuable advices. I believe it's mostly people like me living outside, trying to learn about East Asian cultures and languages, who find such DAB's and links useful. (And I think it's mostly native speakers like you, who end up fixing these things later.) I'll do the best to do what I can, and keep everybody informed.

As long as all existing rules are diligently followed, and as long as our encyclopedic integrity is sustained, there's no reason to expect the worst. The Chinese named DAB's exist, only due to a logical corollary (WP:DAB#Disambiguation of CJKV character names) to the WP:UE rule recommending redirects from foreign scripts (WP:UE#Include alternatives). I don't forsee these being successfully challenged.

I'll work on 青山 in a few days, and then let you know again. I intend to combine your list with the Aoyama Dab (and check zh:青山 & ja:青山), and then omit some people names. Thank you again.--Endroit (talk) 01:30, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Best way to learn is probably force yourself to read Japanese WP itself. (or Chinese or Korean, be that the case)  ;-) Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 01:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

By the way, zh:青山 is probably incomplete. Run a search for "青山" at zh and there are articles that are not included in that DAB page. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 01:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I just created 青山‎. I have some serious questions as to whether "Qīngshān" or "Tsing Shan" is a more appropriate transliteration of 青山 (Hong Kong), but I believe the dab reflects only what's being said in the articles. In any case, please make corrections as you see fit. Thank you very much.--Endroit (talk) 19:50, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to the "wonderful" world of Chinese romanisation (incidently another reason that CJKV DAB is useful, beyond distinguishing between East Asian languages). Qīngshān is the correct pinyin of the term. Tsing Shan is probably from an older romanisation method and the spelling probably just stuck because it's been popularised - that seems to be the case for many names of places in Hong Kong, and there's no apparent effort to change these names to any official and modern romanisation, unlike in mainland China where everything eventually went to pinyin. Then of course, the Taiwanese don't like to use pinyin for romanisation, and many places in Hong Kong are romanised for Cantonese instead of Mandarin. These kinds of romanisation discrepancies happen right here in English WP, too. For example, "Nanking Massacre" is the most common English name, but using official romanisation (pinyin), it should really be "Nanjing Massacre". And I remember there was a user sometime ago that wanted to move Guangzhou to "Canton". etc etc. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 20:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Looking at how things are done in Switzerland-related articles, Geneva, Zürich, and Basel appear to have redirects from alternate names as much as possible, from 4 or 5 languages. I don't think there's any specific policy about that in WP:CH for Swiss names, but WP:MOS-ZH#Cantonese appears to allow for additional romanizations. I'm sure English wikipedia readers would be interested in also seeing Cantonese romanizations for the Hong Kong-related articles, as well as pinyin and any other common romanizations. But I'll stay out of that discussion. I think dab's should just reflect the Chinese romanizations suggested in the target articles.--Endroit (talk) 22:47, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Lori Piestewa

Good call. Badagnani (talk) 08:04, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

3RR

Since you are an established user, I won't give you a template warning, but I did notice that you are up to 3RR on Template:History of China. Please strongly consider taking things to the talk page or risk getting the template locked, or even risk temporarily loosing your editing privileges. Thanks.-Andrew c  22:23, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Macau

Hi? Macau is currently on the FAC page. I would like to invite you to give me some opinions/advices and vote so that the article of Macau can improve more. For me I also voted and gave my comment in the article of Octopus Card. Thanks for your attention! Coloane (talk) 18:37, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Sure thing. I'll do that later when I have some time to give the article a thorough read. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 18:58, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! hopefully you can go there and take a look soonest. Coloane (talk) 14:32, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your some corrections on the page of Macau. If possible, please give me your opinion and vote over there. Thanks! Coloane (talk) 19:55, 12 January 2008 (UTC)