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WikiProject Conflict Resolution

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Taunting

Please do not taunt other users. Picaroon (t) 01:35, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

User:Prester John

You haven't done this user any favors by reverting my changes to his userspace. You've just made it more likely that he will have to have all of his userspace deleted, and have to rebuild it all from nothing. The material you're defending isn't going to stay in his userspace; it's a blatant violation of WP:USERPAGE, and the only reason it hadn't been already removed is that the admins were respecting the MfD process which had already begun. But there is no chance of it staying; the only choice is whether the pages will be edited, or deleted. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:43, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

CSD

It is obvious that you are trying to make a WP:POINT by adding the following text to the above policy: "Example: "Mzoli's Meats is a butcher shop and restaurant located in Guguletu township near Cape Town, South Africa." Please stop. KnightLago (talk) 14:11, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

He/she/it (I hate sex-neutral usernames) is trying to make a point, sure. But since nothing is being disrupted in the process, there's nothing wrong with making that point in that manner. So don't worry about it. Kurt Weber (Go Colts!) 20:32, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Inserting a controversial quote into a policy to prove a point and then re-adding it after it has been removed is disruption. KnightLago (talk) 20:44, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Just because one or two people don't like it does not make doing it disruptive. I would submit that removing something added in good faith without evidence of any sort of consensus that it does not belong is much more disruptive. Kurt Weber (Go Colts!) 21:33, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

The problem with your reasoning is that consensus has already been established as CSD is policy. Therefore, adding a controversial quote to prove a point, and then re-adding it is disruption and against consensus. If this editor truly believes the quote belongs there I encourage them to go to CSD's talk page and suggest its inclusion. KnightLago (talk) 21:53, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Review of deletion of page User:Prester_John

I have read your post here: Misplaced Pages:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Prester_John_(2nd_nomination)

The page was deleted, even though I fail to see any consensus on that.

Hence I have asked for a review.

Please share your thoughts here: Misplaced Pages:Deletion_review/Log/2007_December_6#User:Prester_John

Sincerely, --Law Lord (talk) 11:42, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Deletion

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Belarus FAC

I took your suggestion and tried this out. Would this work for you? User:Zscout370 03:03, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Long range requests

Busy day; I lost track of where you posted about that new page on the current talk page. Can you start a new, more prominent thread at the bottom of the talk page so it won't be missed? Since it's the holidays, a lot of editors aren't keeping up. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:35, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Much better; I had lost track of it, and assume others will also fall behind over the holidays. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:37, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Frorority prod

Frorority

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RE:barnstar

If you would like me to create that barn star i can, it would be no problem. Sirkad_talk 23:17, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

I have been trying to tell them this. We did however create a wikia, its still under construction but im going to put an article on there about how to make a barnstar. Heres the link if you want it. http://codesnippets.wikia.com/Main_Page (i'll get the barnstar to you later, its time to do christmasy things. Cheers and merry christmas.) Sirkad_talk 23:38, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Signature

Images cannot be used in signatures per WP:SIG, especially animated or potentially controversial ones. Please tone it down. -Wooty   03:00, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Eric Motley

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Please be polite

Quote:

What the fuck?

End quote

This is what you said on this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Vintei/shop Please be polite. And uh, please don't take out your USA ans start showing-off.-- Vintei  Talk  15:27, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, my bad.-- Vintei  Talk  15:29, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Two things

Kudos for keeping your cool here with this response (to the above): . And kudos for this imaginative comment: . Hope you had a nice Christmas! Have an excellent New Year's too! :-) Scarian 15:20, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Special Assistant to the President for Presidential Personnel

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AfD nomination of Lucio Levi

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Interests

What are your interests? I have a few articles I've been wanting to get to Featured Article status. For instance, Universal Declaration of Human Rights, free market environmentalism, instant-runoff voting, and private highway. I also would like to see workplace conflict get to good article status. The latter would be worth a cookie or kitten if nothing else, and the others would be worth a barnstar I'm sure, or at least a userbox that says you've contributed to x number of featured articles. Sarsaparilla (talk) 04:05, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Mainly politics and economics. Any articles you mentioned would be fine, although Free-market environmentalism may have some POV issues (it looks good, ATM) and in Private highway the "support" and "oppose" sections are just silly. There's no need for political commentary in such an article. Zenwhat (talk) 04:22, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I've made some minor changes to the UDHR page and overhauled the template at the bottom. Zenwhat (talk) 17:43, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Notability of Checkpoint Strikeforce

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For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Mhking (talk) 21:03, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Warning

Attack Ruylong (especially by linking to WP:GIANTDICK and taunting him) and you'll be blocked. Please do something more constructive. Ryan Postlethwaite 02:53, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

• If you're going to start an admin conduct RfC over Ryulong's warning (which would be a waste of valuable electrons, IMHO) then you should just do it and be done. If you are going to do an RfC about WP:MYSPACE, then do it and be done. No sense militating all over about how people are wrong and the policies are terrible if you aren't going to do anything - see WP:SOFIXIT. 03:09, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikiphilosophy

Just wanted you to know that your comments here made me want to stand up and wave a flag. --Kizor 06:15, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Shop

Thanks. I guess it's finally going to serve its purpose, then. --Gp75motorsports 16:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

We only need one shop, we don't all 4. Instead of using Vintei's shop outline, could we create a new one? And um... I don't think this is such a great idea. It might get deleted in a short amount of time. But I appreciate your efforts. RuneWiki 21:25, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi

Hello, I noticed a few of your posts regarding a "wikicommunity". I would like to add that I would also like to see the creation of one, but I am very sure that it will not ever be created. Misplaced Pages used to have a wikicommunity, but it got deleted. You can see Misplaced Pages:Esperanza for further details. Oh and as an unrelated side note, I see you love playing risk! I suggest you play these games as they are wonderful as well dice wars, and kdice <-online multiplayer version of dicewars. Cheers! -- penubag  01:35, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

RE:Your Shop

We have already made a wikia, see here. Codesnippets|http://codesnippets.wikia.com/Main_Page Cheers! Sirkad_talk 03:04, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Linkspam

Please don't ask me not to linkspam - look at the history of that site and you'll see I have been reverting the linkspam that has been put in by 70.59.228.117. Furthermore, if you look at their activity log then you'll see they have been doing this on a number of pages! --hydeblake (talk) 20:48, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

No probs! 70.59.228.117 is being a bit of a pain at the moment - I'm having to revert a fair few entries a few times a day!--hydeblake (talk) 20:53, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll let you do that - I'm not an admin! Cheers! --hydeblake (talk) 21:31, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

User:Sarsaparilla/shop

I've deleted that page because it meets speedy deletion criterion G4, recreation of previously deleted material. The page was an exact replica of User:Vintei/shop, deleted in its MfD debate last month. Please don't create it or any other previously deleted page again. Thanks, Spebi 04:44, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Hang on a moment, I think I've missed something here. Ignore the message above for the time being until I found out what's going on. Spebi 04:48, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Bye Bye Boris

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Additional comment: if it was in fact an important game (as stated in the article), than there should be some information out there. Perhaps the title is in error? -- MisterHand (Talk to the Hand|Contribs) 22:04, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

An essay of mine you'll like: Wikiliberalism.

Given the fact that you're a Libertarian, I think you would enjoy this essay in my sandbox at the moment. It lays out an alternative to mainstream Wikipedianism and argues based upon Liberalism.

Right now, it's just an outline of my main points (please don't make any changes yet). However, if you can think of any good main points to add, please let me know. I've fleshed it out a lot, so that it's a rough-draft in the works. Please don't make any major changes just yet. The red text is where I need to add stuff. Zenwhat (talk) 21:02, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I wanted to throw the idea out there, though, to an experienced editor who might be sympathetic and see what you thought.

I think it makes far more sense overall than just Misplaced Pages:Laissez-faire which is rather simplistic. Although I agree with your essay in principle and will definitely link to it when I finish and publish mine.

Also, just in case you happen to come across this stupidity. I'm sorry!! I know: I'm a damned idiot. I hope you don't lose any respect for me because of that diff. I thought I'd mention it until you saw it first and were suddenly shocked, and said, "So that's why he hasn't done anything on UDHR recently! The nerve of that guy!" Zenwhat (talk) 10:32, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

It's out of the sandbox and been fleshed out. You there? Misplaced Pages:Wikiliberalism.

Also, I was wondering: When you asked specifically about the bulleted lists, do you mean UDHR#See_also? I don't know how I could expand those all without making the article too long. I suppose expanding the "history" section would be a good idea. Zenwhat (talk) 14:04, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Evolution of Misplaced Pages's current policies/philosophies

I recommend (if you haven't already) reading Larry Sanger's accounts and the other behind-the-scenes information about how we ended up with our current policies. It makes a lot more sense how we ended up where we are, in light of those things – much like reading the Federalist Papers or accounts of the debates at the Constitutional Convention explain how certain things ended up in the U.S. Constitution (e.g. the 3/5ths provision would make little sense without an understanding of the debates that went on). Or reading the legislative history of the Controlled Substances Act explains why cannabis is in Schedule I. Sarsaparilla (talk) 22:02, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I am steadily reading any and all essays on the matter and am citing the many historical controversies as proof. Thank you for providing me with more. I am doubtful about your claims based on a number of my experiences. Please note in the essay that I cite specific examples of problems surrounding my editing and the editing of others.

As a particular contentious example: Essjay wasn't necessarily a particularly bad editor, which is likely why he was allowed to stay. Now, you tell me: Why would a good editor who genuinely cares about Misplaced Pages falsify his credentials, hmmm? Is it perhaps because the average Wikipedian is stupid enough that they'll only listen to a man when he invokes false credentials, and not when he has genuine arguments? See my frustration over the proposal to merge Eastern philosophy with Eastern religion based on Idiot's Guide to Eastern Philosophy and Idiot's Guide to Buddhism. I own both, have read 'em both cover-to-cover, and can snap a photo to prove it. Of course, unless I claim to be the Dalai Lama on my userpage, no one's going to listen to me.

In similar past proposals, dozens of people said over and over, "oppose i tink philosfy is not teh sam as religion."

I wanted to avoid a similar fate by:

• Enumerating my points
• Invoking the fact that I have experience in the matter
• Pointing out that the distinction is currently made because of Indian nationalists (see the Indian religions that aren't Indian) and ignorant western perceptions (because Western philosophy is so secular)
• Backing up every claim with a credible citation in a clearly reliable, easily verifiable secondary source that everybody's heard of
• Explaining in bold that nobody ought to invoke the claim, "Philosophy is not religion," without backing up the claim that Eastern philosophy is distinct from Eastern religion with a citation.

The result? The first person invoked unreliable sources -- one of his sources actually proved my point because it was an article on Eastern religion in a journal on Eastern philosophy. And I again had several people saying "oppose i tink philosfy is not teh sam as religion." And the Indian nationalists aren't interested in discussing the matter, though they'll definitely edit-war. Meanwhile, I can't actually BE BOLD and merge the articles anyway, because WP:IAR is not a Misplaced Pages policy, despite the misleading existence of that page. You can count the amount of times that WP:IAR has been successfully invoked on one-hand.

So, the nationalists and silly westerners will edit-war, ArbCom will block us both out of a communist, collectivist obsession with WP:CONSENSUS and a false compromise fallacy, and my head will explode when one or more of the admins on ArbCom say, "plz be civil, also i tink philosfy is not teh sam as religion." As a result, I continue to check the page, daily, hoping and praying that the mob disappears. Also, check out this witch-hunt. Can't have admins defending mainstream science, now, can we? Zenwhat (talk) 08:30, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Also, referring to Misplaced Pages philosophy as "evolution" is wiki-darwinism, an anti-liberal, anti-intellectual collectivist philosophy. It's unfalsifiable and based in spurious reasoning: You can't argue with proponents of it, because they defend "correct" as "what is." That is to say, wikidarwinism is correct because currently wikidarwinism is popular. If we think of policies as, "Good ideas put forth by individuals," wikidarwinism just doesn't make any sense. If it is possible to examine both the individual and overall edits on Misplaced Pages, and see, "Man, this is horrible," we should humbly acknowledge that, because of the high cost of failure:

As noted in the above diagram, the evolution of wikipedia policy doesn't necessarily always work in the direction of improvement. Zenwhat (talk) 08:34, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

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Monopolies

There are no natural monopolies! Unless you count moons in Solarquest. Sarsaparilla (talk) 04:26, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Not according to mainstream economics and an abundant array of evidence. It's true that non-economists debate the very existence of monopolies. For actual economists, they certainly have political biases so there's a difference of opinion, but there's little disagreement over the existence of monopolies because of the models of how competition works and why monopolies occur are so basic, that it's impossible to reject anymore on the grounds, "monopolies don't exist." So, any textbook on the matter wouldn't even examine the idea that monopolies might not exist.

Instead, you have two sides.

• Keynesian economists who argue that monopolies are everywhere, harm the economy, and must be heavily regulated.
• Neoclassical economists who argue that private monopolies are rare, if they are not government monopolies they pose little or no threat to the economy, and regulating monopolies does more harm than good.

That is how the article on monopoly should read. And I actually admit that the scholarly view of monopolies goes against the common understanding about them: Even though I'm an American Liberal (see Social liberalism), I oppose strict enforcement of anti-trust because the arguments against it are convincing. In some theoretical abstract world where government is infallible, strict enforcement of anti-trust makes sense. But since governments themselves are subject to government failure, it's somewhat dubious to suggest they be used to address all forms of market failure. One idea I had recently was to make the government a public corporation.

There was a book out a while back and a movie called "Anti-Trust." You might have seen it. I don't agree anti-trust should be abolished, but both make a good argument that it shouldn't be enforced. Zenwhat (talk) 04:39, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Your professor is either a radical Monetarist or one of the handful of Austrians with Ph. D's, the same way there are creationists with biologist degrees and so on (I say that only with reference to Austrian economics -- Monetarism is acceptable -- wrong, but not totally off the wall). I say that because it doesn't seem to reflect New Keynesianism (commonly referred to as mainstream economics, the mainstream consensus). I only have a minimal education in economics, but I'm pretty sure I could utterly destroy your professor's assertion, "There are no monopolies." What was his argument, by the way? Do you remember? I think what he meant when he said "monopoly" was the common usage of the term as a "big, evil corporation with near-limitless power to raise prices." If so, then that makes sense. Zenwhat (talk) 04:46, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I believe that was the sense in which he meant it. Actually, he basically said that the only monopolies are created by the gov't. Sarsaparilla (talk) 04:47, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I think it's important that this clarification be made. Zenwhat (talk) 11:47, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Your opinion, please: Zenwhat (talk) 12:33, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Private highway

In reference to this diff, what's the deal with removing the sourced stuff about Lingamfelter, Potts, etc.? And why "POV" instead of "biased"? Sarsaparilla (talk) 05:13, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

There is not a mainstream debate over the issue of private highways. You have some radical Libertarians in the United States calling them tyranny, with nearly all Liberals and Conservatives seeing the issue as silly, which makes discussion of the political issue unnecessary. It would be like having a "support" and "oppose" section on public toilets. Sars, overall, you're a good editor but you can't see how this would come across as POV-pushing? This is especially true in Europe and in countries like Asia, South America, and Africa, the debate is non-existent. Perhaps the edit was simply a biased edit made in good faith, but nonetheless, it was unnecessary. Zenwhat (talk) 10:08, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

"the private highway debate is raging hotter" as you make it more notable by putting it on Misplaced Pages when it isn't found in mainstream sources. Zenwhat (talk) 14:57, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Has NPR also discussed the LP's claim that there is a "cult of the omnipotent state"? If so, does the mere mentioning of fringe claims in mainstream sources make them notable or non-fringe? Also, you have currently been included in a request for arbitration. See Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration#Austrian_economics Also, I have notified the community of your behavior. You may see the posting at Misplaced Pages:ANI#Admin_User:Sarsaparilla_blatantly_violating_WP:OR.2C_WP:NPOV.2C_and_WP:FRINGE. Zenwhat (talk) 15:17, 13 January 2008 (UTC)