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Your choice of words

Tony, we have not been much in contact, so my personal experience with you is limited. Neither am I researching your past behavior, conflict-prone as it may have been. However, your peculiar style of interaction strikes me as sometimes so remarkable that I would like to raise the matter here.

Edits such as this are completely unacceptable, full stop. I am at a loss as to what motivates you to make such a remark with respect to ANY editor, let alone one of the most brilliant writers that Misplaced Pages has, and on a page that is explicitly devoted to producing helpful discussion. If you need such cautionary words to bring you to your senses, I wonder why you post there at all. Misplaced Pages pages are not not venues for picking a fight, and one should think you might have had ample opportunity to understand that. You might consider apologizing, and in a straight, honest and credible manner, not in the somewhat excessive style that you employed towards Bishonen. You know, people are surprisingly sensitive to dishonesty in an apology, even if it's only words typed on a website. Apologizing to one person while continuing the very behavior that caused a necessity to apologize towards another does not look overly convincing. On a more general notion, it might even be more productive to control one's temper and refrain from insulting other editors at all. Kosebamse (talk) 06:34, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not aware of picking a fight, nor was I aware that there was any disagreement about the grossly inappropriate and deliberately provocative nature of Giano's edit. Chalk it down to experience. --Tony Sidaway 16:13, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Giano's actions are already being dealt with. I was talking about your grossly inappropriate and deliberately provocative behavior. Thought I'd ask your opinion before filing a RFC, which is what I am considering. Thanks for your help. Kosebamse (talk) 19:21, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not aware of any deliberately provocative behavior. If it was grossly inappropriate, my apologies. --Tony Sidaway 08:45, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

It's great to learn that you are not aware of any deliberately provocative behavior, seeing your opinion that there is no excuse for incivility on Misplaced Pages. It would be even greater if your actions matched your stated perception. Your opinion may obviously differ, but if you permit I'd suggest that civility means, among other things, not to insult other editors, and that accusations of vandalism are insulting. Perhaps I should also point out that Giano might not read this page, so it could be a good idea to approach him directly to make sure that he takes notice of your apologies. By the way, while I can not read his mind, it is my impression that he would agree to my abovementioned opinions about dishonest apologies, so it might furthermore be a good idea for the future to curb each and any rudeness in your approach towards other Wikipedians. That would, in my insignificant opinion, be a great step towards credibilty for an outspoken defender of civilised behavior. Thanks for your consideration. Kosebamse (talk) 14:22, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't think this is an occasion for apology. I thought there was universal agreement that Giano's edits were grossly inappropriate and deliberately provocative. Evidently this perception is not universally the case so I have apologised for assuming that it was. However it remains my personal perception. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this. I will stop giving my opinion of Giano's edits of late December, and I hope you will eventually stop lecturing me for my failure to agree with you. --Tony Sidaway 14:52, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Rollbacl template

Don't you think a semi-accurate template is more useful than having to page through the logs 50, 100, etc. enties at a time? John Reaves 08:28, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't think that, but I don't object to your giving the tally a go. --Tony Sidaway 08:47, 14 January 2008 (UTC)