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:Blnguyen, How come you didn't block Arrow when he stalked me on psychology related article (out of his watchlist). Here is what Arrow said in justifying it:"There's nothing wrong with checking contributions and looking at one diff"--] (]) 07:07, 26 January 2008 (UTC) :Blnguyen, How come you didn't block Arrow when he stalked me on psychology related article (out of his watchlist). Here is what Arrow said in justifying it:"There's nothing wrong with checking contributions and looking at one diff"--] (]) 07:07, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

::No one would disagree with that, Aminz. Because you have unfortunately refused to present the whole story (and my response to your frivolous claim), I will copy what I said to you here. "I saw you calling polytheistic beliefs "naive" with no edit summary and got a little suspicious." It's a far cry from what BS did, as you would know if you had looked at the edits he has made at ] and it's talk page. ] (]) 08:03, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


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Sockpuppetry, Carnatic Music

Hi,

I hope you don't mind me voicing my suspicions, and making my requests here.

I believe Reallindian is a sock-puppet of Knataka. Is there any way of checking this? Perhaps the information in the next paragraph may help a little.

The Karnataka AKA Carnatic music article is a failed attempt to rename the Carnatic music article. After briefly looking at the history and the page itself, clearly, the latter is the most current and updated version. I however cannot delete the attempt at a duplicate article, so am appealing to you. Certain new and less-experienced editors (namely, the ones I mentioned in my previous para above, as well as Naadapriya, who refuse to familiarize themselves with Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines) are persistently trying to push their POV that the Carnatic music article should be named Karnataka AKA Carnatic music. The form of music is most commonly referred to as Carnatic music, both in published reliable sources, as well as by modern day artists of this genre of music. It is also referred to as karnataka sangitham, which we have mentioned at the beginning of the article, however, this has not stopped these editors from making disruptive edits to this Carnatic music article that some of us editors (myself included) have worked so tirelessly on to bring up to the level it is at. The sock-puppets/other editors have also created a new page with the title they so desired (i.e. Karnataka/Carnatic music, even though the content is already covered in Carnatic music article, and this latter article contains more information. Could you please delete the duplicate article?

Thanks heaps - Ncmvocalist (talk) 01:53, 9 January 2008 (UTC) 1

Yeah I deleted it. Yes, RealIndian and Knataka are the same person. I checked it. RealIndian is already blocked. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:18, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks so much. Unfortunately, it seems Naadapriya is determined to push his/her POV by recreating the article with a different title (as he/she has expressed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:JonHarder&diff=prev&oldid=185523729 ). Is there anything that can be done to prevent this from happening? Ncmvocalist (talk) 01:56, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
He hasn't done anything yet. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:42, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Your action on 'Karnataka/Carnatic Music article

Rebuttal in italics to the editor's reasons for suggessting deletion.

Comment 1. I hope you don't mind me voicing my suspicions, and making my requests here. I believe Reallindian is a sock-puppet of Knataka. Is there any way of checking this? Perhaps the information in the next paragraph may help a little.

'Karnatatic/Carnatic music’ site is nothing to do with this.

Comment 2 The Karnataka AKA Carnatic music article is a failed attempt to rename the Carnatic music article.

It is for renaming ‘Karnataka/Carnatic music’ site, not an attempt to rename’ Carnatic Music’ site.

Comment 3 After briefly looking at the history and the page itself, clearly, the latter is the most current and updated version.

It is arguable. ‘Carnatic Music’ site contains speculative information about what existed before mid 14th century. Current information about artists is incomplete.

Comment 4 I however cannot delete the attempt at a duplicate article, so am appealing to you.

Appeal is not justified with objective evidence.

Comment 5 Certain new and less-experienced editors (namely, the ones I mentioned in my previous para above, as well as Naadapriya, who refuse to familiarize themselves with Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines) are persistently trying to push their POV that the Carnatic music article should be named Karnataka AKA Carnatic music.

Naadapriya is not pushing any POV. He is making a statement based on fact that the original name for South Indian classical music is 'Karnataka Sangeetha' since about 500 years. The parallel name 'Carnatic music' came only about 100 years back and its use by some started only in about 1960s. Please note there are unwarranted uses of 'POV', 'Vandalism', 'Spam' by editors critisizing 'Karnataka/Carnatic Music article'.

Comment 6 The form of music is most commonly referred to as Carnatic music, both in published reliable sources, as well as by modern day artists of this genre of music.

It is not true. There is no authentic reference to say that name ‘Carnatic music ’ existed before ‘Karnataka Sangeeta’ came to existence. Modern day artists including the senior most legendary musician use ‘Karnataka Music’. There are evidences. ‘Carnatic’ is an anglized version of word ‘Karnataka’ does not represent real history.

Comment 7 It is also referred to as karnataka sangitham, which we have mentioned at the beginning of the article, however, this has not stopped these editors from making disruptive edits to this Carnatic music article that some of us editors (myself included) have worked so tirelessly on to bring up to the level it is at.

‘Karnataka Sangeeta’ name came first followed by 'Karnataka Sangitam' and then about 400 years later it somehow got a parallel name ‘Carnatic Music’. Therefore the title of the site should be ‘Karnataka Sangeetha or Sangetam AKA Carnatic Music’. To make it short on accurate web sites one should keep the original title ‘Karnaataka Sangeeta’ given to Sri Purandara Daasa’s invention and mention the rest in the text.

Comment 8 The sock-puppets/other editors have also created a new page with the title they so desired (i.e. Karnataka/Carnatic music, even though the content is already covered in Carnatic music article, and this latter article contains more information.

It is not true. Please read the history of 'Karnatic/Carnatic music' ariticle. Any topic in encyclopedia should have clear boundaries. ‘Carnatic Music’ site has speculative historical background. Karnataka/Carnatic music has clear boundary conditions as explained several times.

Comment 10 Could you please delete the duplicate article?

Arguments given are not justifiable for deletion.

Comment 11 Thanks heaps - Ncmvocalist (talk) 01:53, 9 Jan Yeah I deleted it. Yes, RealIndian and Knataka are the same person. I checked it. RealIndian is already blocked. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:18, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Naadapriya's edits are nothing to do with other ids mentioned. Comment is mute

Request for Correct Action: The suggestion for deletion is not justified. Sincerely hope that ‘admn’ reconsiders and allows the site. ‘/’ will be removed in the new title.Naadapriya (talk) 23:50, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I didn't base my deletion of the article because of sock involvement. It was because of WP:POVFORK. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:42, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing naadapriya from sock involvement. POV of Misplaced Pages was reviewed again and found that the article 'Karnataka/Carnatic Music' does not contain any POV material. It is all based on authentic references. Please identify specific items that might have led to the conclusion ‘POV’. Research will be conducted and clarifications will be given to Misplaced Pages readers.Naadapriya (talk) 16:56, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Naadapriya is advised to carefully read the link WP:POVFORK as he/she clearly needs to familiarize himself/herself with Misplaced Pages policy - Naadapriya is not allowed to create or recreate articles when editors are in consensus against it or against his/her proposed change(s) to it. If Naadapriya continues to violate Misplaced Pages policy, he/she may be blocked as indicated in other warnings. Ncmvocalist (talk) 06:09, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Dear Ncmvocalist, clarification is requested from the admn who deleted Karnataka/Carnatic music article. Please do not assume WP:OWNERSHIP on Misplaced Pages. Please stop unwarranted and unrelated use of ' vandalism', ‘disruptive’, ‘spam’, ‘blocked’ etc. in discussions. It will not lead to healthy discussions to post validated facts. It looks like there is an effort to prevent editing from others to protect existing WP:POVFORK particularly on speculative statements about pre-Vijayanagara days related to Karnataka a.k.a Carnatic music. Still an answer from the admn is kindly requested regarding the deletion of ‘Karnataka/Carnatic music’ article.Naadapriya (talk) 16:58, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Naadapriya has been warned of several of the Misplaced Pages policies that he/she has violated during his/her time at Misplaced Pages (meaning the use of such words is warranted). If Naadapriya continues to disregard the procedure and policies adopted by Misplaced Pages, he/she had already been made well-aware of the consequences that he/she will face. I do not assume WP:OWNERSHIP. Ncmvocalist (talk) 00:24, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
No reply to repeated 'make believe' accusations, vague/abstract comments and unwarranted notices. Naadapriya will stop replying to this editor unless there is a specific rational/logical/technical comment. Goodbye until a meaningful discussion takes place. 'vanakam' (Have a nice time).Naadapriya (talk) 07:22, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

The POV fork rule means that in short, you cannot have "alternative versions" of the same article, so that is why the relevant info needs to all go at Carnatic music or Music of Karnataka. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:04, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Dear ‘admn’ please clarify if this is your own conclusion based on your personal detailed knowledge about Karnataka Sangeetha or an objective judgment based on inputs from some editors which are incorrect. I will follow-up accordingly.Naadapriya (talk) 07:22, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Dear Blnguyen I am waiting for the clarification from you so that I can proceed further based on validated facts with no speculations and consensus received to date. Your early kind response is highly appreciated to post accurate facts on Misplaced PagesNaadapriya (talk) 16:30, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Tigeroo evading block

User:Shamiana is a sock of Tigeroo. His first edit is at Mahmud of Ghazni and has an unusual edit summary for a first edit, and his second edit is at Muhammad bin Qasim. Tigeroo is the main contributor to these pages. He created the page Bawarij. The rest are at Dahir (Raja). These pages are all about military topics involving India and Muslims; these are Tigeroo's favorite topics. His edits at Dahir use Tigeroo-style justifications for removing material. Tigeroo's recent edits with this sock are in evasion of his block. Arrow740 (talk) 06:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Bingo, that's him. I've reset his block for a month. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Is there any evidence that this was Tigeroo? Was there a checkuser?Bless sins (talk) 11:46, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Indeed there was. A direct hit. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:56, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

In this diff (and many others ) Tigeroo evades his block again. This is obviously him as you can see from the history of Islam where he used the same IP off by one digit there: . He admitted that the latter IP was him: . Arrow740 (talk) 19:59, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I blocked him yesterday.Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:25, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Checkuser or sockpuppetry report?

Hi, Blnguyen. I've got a case where I suspect a sockpuppet, but it isn't what I normally file a checkuser request for so I wasn't sure.

On the Talk:Mao: The Unknown Story, I'm having a discussion with User:Xiaodingjin who has previously attempted to insert links of his own work onto wikipedia. After April 2007 he disappeared, only to re-appear recently and complain about the removal of the links to his work.

Then another user appeared today, User:Dariusdaman. He created his account at 17:03, 15 January 2008 and then edited the Talk:Mao: The Unknown Story page at 17:19, 15 January 2008 to support Xiaodingjin. This clearly indicates he arrived just to support Xiao as he hasn't done anything subsequently (so at least probably a meatpuppet), but I think their standard of English suggests they are the same person.

I could file an ordinary sockpuppet report, but as that's very backed up I wondered if this might warrant a "G" checkuser request - I didn't want to waste people's time if it would automatically be rejected. My reason for the request is that Xiao knows he can't insert the link (was blocked for 3RR and then indef banned, only having it lifted when he promised to stop) and has not had any support since he came back - so he could be trying to influence the decisions of other users by creating "supporters".

Your thoughts would be welcome - please respond on my talk page. John Smith's (talk) 18:10, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I've blocked it as a meatpuppet. It appears to be in different locations though. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 23:56, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Ok, thank you. John Smith's (talk) 07:24, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
One more thing - what (if any) should be done about the meatpuppet's comments? Delete, tag as meatpuppet, or just leave as they are? If one of the first two I'd appreciate it if you could do that. Thanks again. John Smith's (talk) 08:00, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Oh, I did the usual AFD thing. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:25, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Darius is back

It looks like User:Dariusdaman is back. User:Dariusisdaman appeared today editing a host of articles spamming the same link. For example there is his edit here to the Jung Chang article. It's the link to the same article as was supported on Talk:Mao: The Unknown Story, though on a different website.

Would you mind blocking him and reverting his link spammage? Thank you. John Smith's (talk) 21:56, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Done, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:25, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. I cleared the link spam from the other articles. John Smith's (talk) 07:32, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

More sock/meatpuppets

It looks like yet another account has been made to spam the link in. User:Historydegreeisajoke inserted the link on the Mao: The Unknown Story page today. Please check against Darius and Xiaodingjin. Thank you, John Smith's (talk) 18:10, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

FYI I added some sockpuppet/puppet master tags to User:Dariusisdaman and User:Dariusdaman, as well as created a category for his socks. I didn't know if that was necessary or not, but thought it looked tidy. John Smith's (talk) 00:26, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Invincibles issues

ALH

I trust you'll enjoy yourself and tell us about his ice-cream pant-less performance....and all the other stuff as well. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:40, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Thx for your msg. I did a little work on Ian Johnson a while back, don't know if you saw it. I feel there's enough for a FA on him as well. Same for Sam Loxton; I reckon I can get him there too. I've been doing a little prelim research on both and located some imgaes etc. So are we drawing short straws for Hamence and Saggers??!! I'm not sure what is the minimum for FT, is it each article has to have at least GA status? Sooner or later we have to deal with the Bradman conundrum - I saw the article on Sir Isaac Newton and like that design. That would work well, say splitting his life into two articles, then we can bring the daughter articles back in and lose some of the periphal stuff. With a bit of hard work the Don could be done in a week or so....thoughts?

Phanto282 (talk) 08:45, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

According to the criteria, WP:FTC, the core article (the tour article) must be FA and 2/3rds of the articles need to be FA and the rest need to be GA. For FA, length is not really an issue - some really short articles have become FA if their is a paucity of documentation. Keith Johnson is long enough as it is if nothing more is known about him. Ian Johnson would make it easily. I did notice that you expanded it a month or so ago, and I think early this year I reverted a large addition by your IP because I thought it was a copyvio....Johnson can easily be made to the same length and longer than the current version of Bill Brown, using "Captain Australia" at least. For Saggers and Hamence we might not have so much though....But the main guys who played in 3-5 Tests in the series all would have a lot of info for FA. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:38, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Brown the Invincible

Good work! --Dweller (talk) 08:27, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Tallon tidbit

According to the new Haigh/Frith book, Tallon was also banned due to "reasons other than cricket ability", along with Barnes in 1951-52. Apparently, the ban was a unilateral decision made by Aubrey Oxlade (who supported Barnes and lost the chairmanship of the Board beacuse of it) due to some comments made by Tallon to the press. Obviously, it was not effective as Tallon was injured for the season & replaced by Langley, but it may explain why Tallon never regained a permanent place in the Test team, although he did make the 53 tour. If you want to include it in the bio of Tallon, let me know & I'll give you refs, etc. Meanwhile, we're back to the ice cream on Hassett's pants and how he got Richie out of bed in the middle of the night to talk about his golf swing.....BTW, would the Don really go into a match with Tallon batting at 6???

Phanto282 (talk) 16:02, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh interesting, sounds like something to liven things up. You could have just added it, since I don't have a right to a monoply on the article.Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:03, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, I wouldn't bat Tallon at 6. The Bradman team has an awfully long tail....oh and I got stuck into Hassett.Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:32, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Lindwall

I believe I do. Stand by. —Moondyne 08:04, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Image:Lindwall.jpg Email with more to follow shortly. —Moondyne 08:23, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Pic

File:LindwallFollowthrough.jpg

How's this? Taken in the 1950-51 Ashes series. I've got a request in to use a 1961 pic of Lindwall with Hassett, Menzies & Worrell. The NAA hold a few more shots of Lindwall, but you need permission to use them as they are post-1955; however, the NAA seem ok with it if you send a request by email.

Phanto282 (talk) 01:31, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Colin McCool

Hi, I have expanded the above article. Is there anything noticeably lacking and do you have any ideas where we may be able to get a freely licenced head shot for the infobox? Cheers and best wishes for the season Mattinbgn\ 01:09, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't think there is anything notably missing, but we could probably add some more I think, with the details and such. Oh, he was also known for his partneship with Tallon. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:25, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the Christmas greetings and the Barnstar, both much appreciated. On McCool, there is plenty more to add, if we can find reliable sources. I would love to add more on his time at Somerset, but I can't seem to find any online sources other than CricketArchive and I find it very hard going to write interesting prose based on a list of matches and averages. I will keep looking. Cheers, Mattinbgn\ 05:32, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Keith Miller

Hello! Two things:

  1. Any chance of a rescan of Image:Miller on drive.jpg? Lovely image, just not the best scan.
  2. Any chance of you lending your very helpful hands to filling the enormous gaps in the article?

Cheers! --Dweller (talk) 17:20, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

In the first instance, unfortunately no. The library which had that book does not allow borrowing and the only way I managed to get a picture of it was to bring in a dig camera and take a photograph of it. Not the most effective way. There are better pictures around though. I forgot to bring in the photos, but I have a few more Miller pics ready, about 6-7 of them, including some football pictures. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:47, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
In the second instance I will be away most of January. However, I have just gotten Miller's autobio so I can do a bit over the weekend. I think I'll take 1946-47 - his first full Test series. Please don't double up on that :). Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:47, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Also, could you keep an eye on Ian Meckiff, Ray Lindwall and Don Tallon since I might not be here and it might be picked up by the GAC reviewer while I'm away. There shouldn't be any major holes that need filling in at all! Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:47, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello. Re Miller - that's great. If you could make a Commons cat for him and bung the appropriate thingy on the article, I'll take a peek. I'll try and leave you the 46-47 series. Finally, if you'd like to turn this redlink blue with any articles or project pages you'd like monitored, I'll do my best. Let me know when you go and return. --Dweller (talk) 12:39, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

User:Blnguyen/Contributions - my quick mini-watchlist. It is not the articles being vandalised or messed up so much, I just meant that the GAC for Ian Meckiff, Don Tallon and Ray Lindwall may get a request for small tweaks and such. If the reviewer spots a black hole then just don't worry about looking things up and fixing it, I'll get back to it when I am back. I've added my pics into the Miller article. Also, I probably have more materials on Miller than you do, so just nominate whatever part you want to work on and I'll work around it. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 09:53, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Other stuff

Project

Lovely! The other is Alec Henry from Qld, but I know nothing about him. —Moondyne 08:46, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Albert Henry. There is a book in the libary about Jack Marsh, so there are bits comparing him to the other Indigenous bowlers. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:25, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Nah, Alec . "Alec represented Queensland in 1901 and was initially lauded as "perfectly civilised and in great command of the English language." A great fast bowler, in one pre-season match he took 8-14 which led to predictions that he would have a place in the Australian side against the visiting English. Unfortunately, an umpire judged that he was throwing and his place in the national team never eventuated. His protests fell on deaf ears and when his 'civilised' conduct appeared to falter, he was forcibly relocated from Brisbane on the charge of "defying authority." —Moondyne 08:40, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
It's the same fellow as the one my chucking book refers to as Albert Henry. He did a prank on the umpire by deliberating throwing some balls which the umpire didn't notice but the proper ones were no-balled.... Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:48, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Yep, found about 3 pages on him in a book. Should have 10k on this fellow approximately. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:47, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

T:DYK.

Updated DYK query On January 2, 2002, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Krulak Mendenhall mission, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Happy new year, and congratulations! · AndonicO 12:48, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Updated DYK query On January 2, 2002, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Joseph Mendenhall, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Double, very nice. · AndonicO 12:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Typo checking

Hi. I ran the WP:AWB typo checker against your McNamara Taylor mission article and it fixed a few but they seem to be inside text quotations. Are they cases where the original source has typos and maybe a few {{sic}} tags are in order? —Wknight94 (talk) 15:26, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Okie, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:52, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Good Articles January Newsletter

Happy New Year! Here is the latest edition of the WikiProject GA Newsletter! Dr. Cash (talk) 03:53, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

The Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Good articles Newsletter

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  • ... that there was a proposal to change the GA symbol to a green featured star?
From the Editors

Happy New Year, everyone! I'm just filling in for Dr. Cash as he's busy (or away) in real life. This explains why I wasn't prepared for a full-length article on GA process, and instead I resort to a tiny DYK for GA.

  • OhanaUnited

Happy New Year as well! I'm still here, and haven't totally disappeared. I had to cut back on editing and reviewing during the month of December as I made the transition from Flagstaff, Arizona to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. But I should be about settled in the Keystone State, so I'll be contributing more to Misplaced Pages again in the new year. Thanks to OhanaUnited for putting together much of the content for this newsletter! He's been working hard with the Sweeps, and the 'Did You Know' section is also a great idea, so I think that will become a regular feature now! I also figured out how to have a collapsible newsletter, so that will change our delivery options a bit. Cheers!

  • Dr. Cash
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Thanks for blocking Inder 315. Hope he doesn't returnn to his old ways once the block expires. Amit@Talk 16:43, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Australia newsletter

WikiProject Australia newsletter Issue 2, Volume 1January 1, 2008

Welcome! WikiProject Australia is a WikiProject, which aims to improve Misplaced Pages's coverage of Australia and Australia-related topics. This newsletter exists simply to notify Australian Wikipedians of ongoing events within the project and relating to Australia on Misplaced Pages.

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Th e proposed chapter also has an IRC channel on the freenode network: join #wikimedia-au next time you are online. The seventh IRC meeting for Wikimedia Australia will also be held in this channel at 8 pm (AEDT-UTC+11) on January 6 (WA at 6pm, SA at 7:30pm and QLD at 7pm). For more information, visit this page.

Recent happenings

2007 has been an excellent year for WikiProject Australia and its members – a sudden rise in article quality (see "Quality watch"), more article collaboration, portal creation, gap-filling article creation, image requests fulfilled, newsletter writing and award awarding. Success!

A sudden surge in new Portals took place late in the year, with numerous new portals being created and later being promoted to featured status, the best a young portal can get. Among the portals currently being worked on are: South Australia, New South Wales, Australian cars, Music of Australia, Powderfinger, Queensland, with portals for a lot of other topics to come very soon in the new year.

Portals and "topics" go hand in hand (not really), and many within the project and throughout Misplaced Pages aspire to achieve featured topic status for a particular topic. Goals to promote all capital cities to featured status, and among others, a Powderfinger featured topic, and a featured topic on The Invincibles cricket team. It's for sure that 2008 will be filled with Aussie pride, so hang in there with those flags, everyone! Especially on Australia Day, *hints surprises* :)

Of course, writing featured articles and making up clever hooks for use on "Did you know" isn't the only way to contribute. Many users contribute day-in, day-out, maintaining the project and portals, tagging and assessing articles, making suggestions at featured article candidacies, coordinating collaborations within the project, responding to peer reviews, save valid articles in deletion debates, in short, the stuff that if not done, will cause the whole project as we know it to slowly deteroriate. Many users who don't qualify for awards like Durova's Triple Crown award, qualify for others.

Moondyne recognised the users who work tirelessly every day to make sure that every thing is running smoothly by introducing a new award – the Drover's Award. Initiated in December, eight users have already received an award that is set to become a prestigious award for all Australia-related topic editors; SatuSuro, Longhair, Spebi, Moondyne, Grahamec, Mattinbgn and ScottDavis and more are sure to be awarded. If you know of any users who work tirelessly behind the scenes and have not yet been recognised for their greatly appreciated efforts, award them the Drover's Award.

More users have been awarded Durova's Triple Crown award for WikiProjects. This award was given to WikiProject Australia after 5 users who qualified for Durova's standard crown (one DYK, GA, FA). New recipients include Matilda, Moondyne, Mattinbgn, VirtualSteve, Gnangarra, RaNdOm26, and Thebainer. If you believe you qualify, leave a note at Durova's talk page.

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Quality watch

2007 saw a major feat for WikiProject Australia: one hundred articles were promoted to good article status. This is huge not only for the project's individual members and those who helped achieved such an impressive statistic, but for the whole of Misplaced Pages. Everyone involved has given readers from all around the world a chance to learn about Australia and relevant topics from the best of sources available on the Internet. A huge congratulations to all involved. And congratulations to Underneath-it-All, who wrote "2 Hearts", which passed as a good article, officially making him WikiProject Australia's "Good Article Centurian" and the article the one hundredth Australia-related article to be promoted to good article status at any one time.

Speaking of statistics nearing the number 100, WikiProject Australia has also seen an increase of the number of articles being promoted to featured article status. In November last year, seven articles were promoted, earning the month its official title of "Featured article month" of WikiProject Australia, and making it the month with the highest featured article achievement. Viva la featured article revolution! Also seeing some activity were featured portals – many have already been promoted, and a wave of excellently-crafted ones hitting our shores very soon.

End of year statistics

Here are some statistics for WikiProject Australia produced by Blnguyen and his Assessment Monkey of 2007's good article and featured article promotions. Summing it up: 71 featured articles, and 106 good articles.

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Introduction to Evolution

Your commentary on the Introduction to Evolution featured article attempt is actively being discussed on Talk:Introduction to evolution. It would be most appreciated if you would be kind enough to contribute to the dialog there. It may be that your concerns have been addressed. If not, then further guidance would be appreciated. The page should be well organized; if you go to the bottom and scroll up you should be able to locate your specific concern which I took the liberty of copying/pasting to this page. Many thanks for following up on the discussion.--Random Replicator (talk) 23:34, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:52, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Riya Sen GA review

The issues you raised in your previous review of Riya Sen has been addressed (appropriately, I hope), apart from the length of the article (but, the current length does meet the criteria). The article has been largely revamped, and forwarded again as a GAN. If possible, can you take another look? If you do have the time to review the article again and find it unsatisfactory (but not extremely so) then may be this you'd like to put it hold and give me a couple of days time to address whatever issues appear (I might even need a bit of counsel at that). Aditya 04:53, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi there Aditya, I do have a personal policy of not double reviewing articles. Since GA is down to own judge, I think it's better to bring in a new judge each time to get more variety of viewpoints. But while you are waiting for the review, I would think that you would have to have the lead at least 2-3 times longer. All the best, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:52, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

2008 New Year's Day Test

I thought i should inform someone that I've created a page for the 2008 New Year's Day Test match, i've got the structure all thought out in my head so please don't delete it even though i don't think there's is much precedent for its existence. I would appreciate some help because it appears you watched it. I'm going to make it neutral so don't worry about that, I'll mainly quote journalists and players and just state what happened. I know of some websites with Australian point of views so I'll use that as well. Thanks. Darrowen (talk) 00:18, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm yeah I did watch it. I think we might as well tag the things sepcifically as "Aus" and "India" and have a section for non-invovled people. The Indian media just don't have anything serious. Also the Australian media is very nationalistic and a bit blind sometimes, except for Fairfax. Esp the Newslimited folks say that McGrath has always succeeded when he targeted batsmen, even though Vaughan (02-03) and Strauss (05) scored 2 and 3 centuries each and averaged over 50. ~ 65 in the case of Vaughan and the newslimited folks are still harping on about his success against Warne. This was a big match so I wouldn't think about deleting it, along the same lines as Bodyline Tests, Tied Test, Laker's Test Eden Gardens 2001, 99 WC SF, RSA v AUS in 99WC super 6 and a few other things, not all because of controversy. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:52, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Point taken about Fairfax newspapers. How about ToI, you seem to be on good terms with them :P. Darrowen (talk) 03:46, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Preferably not, it's best to use only top quality sources, so I always avoid using Newsmedia tabloids, Rediff and ToI. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:20, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
And of course, Cricinfo is a reputable source isn't it? Darrowen (talk) 03:51, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah it is, Cricinfo also has a selection of pundits that tend to be more NPOV than the single-country newspapers as well. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:20, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Also I noticed this admirably simple account of the events . Darrowen (talk) 06:11, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi Blnguyen and welcome back for a little while. You may also wish to look at this as well - Bucknor-Benson dubious decisions. There has been some good news as well; Bagga is now FA and Deafy has been reviewed, if you have the chance to take a look. -- Mattinbgn\ 00:23, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Bingo, thanks, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:52, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps this article about the Sydney Test should be nominated for the front page at WP:ITN/C. Especially with the talk of government intervention and so forth. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:29, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Good idea. Is it much chance of getting up? -- Mattinbgn\ 08:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps. It will need a bit more refs but that should be easy, I have nominated it. We could do with a few more opiners there. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:42, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Did I read you implying that ToI is not top quality? I thought that they called on the best monkeys in the business as pundits! Should I have mentioned monkeys? Oh well... JPD (talk) 11:17, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Note

Hey there Blnguyen, just a friendly reminder to upload the DYK image on wikipedia and let the cascading protection do its job. Todays one was vandalised on commons a couple of times before it was protected over there. Regards. Woody (talk) 12:52, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, how embarrassing. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:18, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Belated wishes

Hello Blnguyen, thanks a lot for your new year wishes. Wishing the same for you as well! About TOI, since you were the one who made them famous on wiki, its only fair that you start the category and include yourself :) — Lost 19:10, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Templates

Do u know how I can convert, or do you know anyone who can convert, the empty scorecard at User:Darrowen/Sandbox1 into a template where people can enter the scores and names neatly. —Preceding comment was added at 03:55, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I experimented and it seemed to work. Just put in the stuff between the double ||, they separate the columns and so forth. And plug IND and AUS so that it draws flags. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:18, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Image:Andrew Symonds.jpg

You uploaded Image:Andrew Symonds.jpg. Why does the image not match that in the source provided? Only noticed because of recent vandalism regarding Symonds. Gimmetrow 05:41, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

It appears that some anon put a fake source there whereas I had alredy put my source in teh upload summary. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:18, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Don Tallon GA

I was in the midst of finalising the paperwork when you left a message. Top job. I might now work on another on the Invincibles. --Roisterer (talk) 06:30, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

(ec) Congrats on Tallon, now a Good Article! I would like to put McCool up for consideration soon. If you have a second, would you mind having a look and providing some thoughts? Not a good day today so I thought I should stay away from the wiki. Probably a good move :-( -- Mattinbgn\ 06:34, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Sure, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Hey there. In response to your question about which of the Invincibles I might tackle next; Ron Saggers looks as undeveloped as any. Of course, I now only have to dig out some information for him. --Roisterer (talk) 01:32, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Cool. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Front Page

The image in question

I reverted a reference to a current event happaning in Australia where an indian cricket called an aboriginal australian cricket a monkey (a reference to sub human) the photo could be very insulting to some people and is generally not in good taste. --AresAndEnyo (talk) 17:43, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, people have been calling me "YellowMonkey" for ages - June 2007 at least. Also pictures like Image:Blnguyen.JPG since May 2006 and Image:Blnguyen greengold.jpg have been there since late 2006. I would point out to you that the Australian uniform is actually mine and that Andrew Symonds is not an Australian aborigine. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
And I re-reverted. Just like Ryan did. Seriously, have we gone PC mad? The image has been there (in various forms) for years. Please leave it be! The Rambling Man (talk) 17:45, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
I'd also add that it's there before the incident your quote took place - this is a simple online avator that Blnguyen uses, no need to cause problems when they don't exist. Ryan Postlethwaite 17:46, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
It's a pretty big coincidence that an indian cricket pundit would have a picture of an ape in an Australian jacket like the ones the cricketers wear at a time like this. A VERY BIG COINCIDENCE!! Anyhow the picture has implications now due to current events and should be removed as it is offensive and racist, at least through implication.--AresAndEnyo (talk) 02:17, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Also, I am not an Indian or a cricket pundit for ToI. The banner is a joke and has been there since early 2006, when the ToI plagiarised my cricket articles. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Have you read this? Please don't jump to conclusions. Blnguyen doesn't write for Times of India and his Blnguyen Ape has been on his page forever. - Shudde 02:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but given the monkey is closely affiliated with Blnguyen and has been since prior to the Australian tour of India (let alone the Indian tour of Australia), I find the insinutations that this isn't a "coincidence" to be mindboggling. Daniel (talk) 02:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
That picture has been there for a long long time. It has nothing to do with Symonds.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 03:26, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Well I guess the people have been spoken. I still think it's racist and that it is not a coincidence. Even if it is, it still represents something now. Taking into account people support for this image and the 3RR, I won't remove it again. Though I strongly erge Blnguyen to remove it.--AresAndEnyo (talk) 03:40, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I've already pointed out the circumstances for the picture were long before any of this happened. Also, are you expecting Hinduism to discontinue the use of a swastika because of Adolf Hitler? Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Please state one phrase in WP:USER that justifies the removal of the image on Blnguyen's userpage. In the future, do not remove anything from another user's userpage without their consent, or unless it is blatantly in violation of a policy or guideline. If you personally find it offensive for one reason or another, just don't look at it. — DarkFalls 04:15, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I've met him IRL and he actually is a YellowMonkey. Very disconcerting stuff. Not racist, though. ~ Riana 04:37, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I find this extremely amusing. Timeshift (talk) 04:43, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I find this extremely disconcerting. :) JKBrooks85 (talk) 10:49, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Roebuck responses

Is it really NPOV to put one persons opinion down without including rebuttals? You seem very adamant that the rebuttal is simply a news corp/fairfax dispute but I didn't pick that up when I read it. I know there are lots of opinions on the page, but Roebuck's in particular has come under criticism in more than one place. If I used multiple sources would you not delete it? Ansell 06:52, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, I'm not sure. If it was a cricket pundit signing himself for cricket commentary it would be fine, but is this a cricket department piece or one of the editorial board doing it, since the page was unsigned. Normally, I would think that if a guy really said something a bit too colourful then maybe another cricketer would strike back first, like when Bedi or Gavaskar previously did on unrelated stuff... Did any cricket community people respond directly to Roebuck in a less commercially politically overt way? Anyway, just take it easy, you've reverted a whole pile of things in the last day on that article....So have I .... and some people have broken 3RR. I wouldn't bother complaining in this instance since there is all sorts of new info being added because it is a current event and I would just let everyone have open-slather editing in good-faith in these circumstances, as everyone is at the moment, but its better to not have some overzealous admin step in and hack a few people. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:51, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Wow... Looking back I did do at least three straight reverts across my edits in a 24 hour period. They were all on single reverts on different issues but that doesn't change it really. Wouldn't have helped to block anyone, especially seeing as they stopped once they realised they had to use an account to edit... (Although truth be told since I have switched back to the monobook style I may have been guilty of an anonymous edit in the middle myself without fully realising it at the time).
On the media wars thing, I wasn't intending in anyway to spam wikipedia unnecessarily but it looked like verbatim comments were being included without context or rebuttal which I see as necessary for an attempt at NPOV in heated situations. Interestingly, Roebuck published a sequel to his original feudal article that is a bit more rational , although he stands by his original statement which shows at least a little bit of neutrality from our ex-pat brit journalist. The cricinfo blogs directed me to this article by Mike Coward (Weekend Australian... I know I know... media wars maybe, but its rational and not an editorial or oblique opinion piece) . It may be useful if someone wants to include a few comments following what has been one of the single most controversial and talked about journalist statements by Roebuck from what I have seen. Anyway. I might leave the article to cool down because as you say even though editing has declined in the last 24 hours it is still a hot topic and will contrinue to develop.
Oh no, I'm sorry if I sounded as though I felt you were spamming; it was Newslimited that I felt was coatracking and using a cricket controversy to get some media wars in there and taking the opportunity to land a few hits on Roebuck. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:33, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
No offence taken, just trying to sort the situation out. Ansell 07:57, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
What do you think about turfing most of the article out to Bollyline? Seeing as how the name has caught on and the article isn't just about the test anymore I would think it is a better place for the deeper issues. Ansell 10:56, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, I think we might have to fork eventually anyway (72k already), since now that there is a lot of interest it looks as though there will be a good deal on the racism issue by itself, the wider politics by itself, and the cricket oriented stuff - just the match and the umpiring decisions. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:33, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Sometime when the article settles down to a fixed length it might be a good time to bring it up again. I saw it referred to as monkeygate in an article today... Ansell 07:57, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Second Test

It has become a bit of a mess with multiple revert wars and without much article improvement. I share your concerns about IP and new accounts. Is it worth semi (or even fully) protecting the article until everyone cools down. I think I am too involved to protect it myself but another admin probably should. Your thoughts? -- Mattinbgn\ 07:33, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I wouldn't do it myself and it's probably good that you don't either for the sake of our own heads. I could also CU them but I don't think I should do that either....that's why I just put up the caps banner telling them not to cheat. The other thing is that the Misplaced Pages protection policy recommends against locking pages that are on the front page, as this one is, so that the wider public and casual user doesn't get upset about the ethos of "everybody can edit" - It will get knocked about a bit but this is way less than the battering that Assassination of Benazir Bhutto copped. The other thing is that I suspect that socking aside, a few people, including the two opposite IPs, Darrowen and a few other guys have gone over 3 reverts, and a lot of established users have gone up to three. Since it's still a current event with new info, a lot of people would be switching things more than they usually would. I wouldn't think that blocking people would be a good idea though - there isn't any bad temperedness going on and even though there have been a few reverts everyone is still doing things optimistically; although some of the IP and newbie edits are not of the greatest quality and a bit off-centre in terms of POV, I think most of them are good-faith new users, so it's probably best to let them get into editing, rather than cutting them off. Some of them might become long-term users so I would just let them go about their business for a while, since the article isn't going to die down anyway. They're all editing in good faith at the moment, as long as they don't start socking.... Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:51, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
I am a bit naive I guess. I spend most of my time on Wiki editing articles on small towns and dead cricketers. They don't tend to see this level of editing ever! No, I am not for blocking or CUing anyone either, although I have given some friendly warnings to some new accounts and IPs. I didn't know that about articles on the main page, thanks for that. Cheers, Mattinbgn\ 08:05, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Suspected_sock_puppets/PONDHEEPANKAR

FYI, adding User:Nadarsagham to the list for checking. 16:05, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Noted. Thanks for keeping an eye out. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:33, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

E-mail

Sent. Acalamari 21:48, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Bingo. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:33, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Renaming Buddha (general) again

As you may remember, there was a vote and move last fall, and afterwards we had a discussion of alternative names, in which we gathered many more facts. Larry and I feel it is time to vote again. Both Larry and I now favor "Buddhahood", which seemed to be your favorite, too, but we feel it would be better to alert all people who participated in the discussion. All options are gathered in Talk:Buddha (general)#Table of optionsSebastian 05:28, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:33, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Grameen Bank

Thanks for your interest in the article on Grameen Bank. But, you seem to have removed a number of primary source citations from the article. Those were from the list of the company's own subsidiaries, it's performance details made public, and its stated policy. If there is no blanket call against all primary sources, it is difficult see why all that should be removed. I also looked for the reason of the GA delisting of the article, but it seems that it was not reported/discussed anywhere. If you could lead me to any report/notice/discussion on the reason why, I may be able to improve upon the article. Aditya 10:11, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Well it's generally assumed that a business would not necessarily be honest or neutral about its activities, that it is why it is expected that the information is derived from 3rd party reports such as news reports from economics papers and so forth. I think that without having to repeat things, it is along the same lines as what Nishkid said a while ago. Also I replied to your comment about Riya Sen above. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:13, 15 January 2008 (UTC)


Your GA nomination of Double Seven Day scuffle

The article Double Seven Day scuffle you nominated as a good article has passed , see Talk:Double Seven Day scuffle for eventual comments about the article. Well done! Rudget. 16:47, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou for your attention. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:13, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the Barnstar

Thank you very much for the barnstar; I appreciate it. Thanks again. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 23:57, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the DYK

Thanks for the DYK on the Oberhof bobsleigh, luge, and skeleton track article. I really appreciate it. Chris (talk) 00:37, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

MP

Do you do nothing else but tweak main page balance? ;P --Stephen 05:22, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Howzat! --Stephen 08:07, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Were you appealing just a minute ago for Tendulkar....hawkeye says....Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:09, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Graphs

The Herbie Collins one looks good and sits in the article very well. You have had a very productive afternoon! :-) Thanks, Mattinbgn\ 05:46, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Rudget!

Dear Blnguyen, my sincere thanks for your support in my second request for adminship, which ended with 113 supports, 11 opposes, and 4 neutral. I would especially like to thank my admin coach and nominator, Rlevse and Ryan Postlethwaite who in addition to Ioeth all inspired me to run for a second candidacy. I would also like to make a special mention to Phoenix-wiki, Dihyrdogen Monoxide and OhanaUnited who all offered to do co-nominations, but I unfortunately had to decline. I had all these funny ideas that it would fail again, and I was prepared for the worst, but at least it showed that the community really does have something other places don't. Who would have though Gmail would have been so effective? 32 emails in one week! (Even if it does classify some as junk :P) I'm glad that I've been appointed after a nail biting and some might call, decision changing RFA, but if you ever need anything, just get in touch. The very best of luck for 2008 and beyond, Rudget. 16:42, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Assessing

Hi there. You might as well assess them as you tag them....saves labour...Also, we probably have to work out whether Vietnamese descent people are in the project scope. My feeling is that if the person does Vietnamese-type stuff, like singing on Paris by Night or is an anti-communist activist then yes. I'm not so convinced about the likes of US born or people who left VN when they were children and became famous in the US for playing poker, etc. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:11, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Surely you are self-confident enough to tag articles less than 1k as a stub. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:12, 16 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by YellowAssessmentMonkey (talkcontribs)

I'm a member of a few projects, and I know how to tag, but I never assessed anything. I'm not exactly sure how to evaluate them, then actually know the codes to assess. I just left it for others to do. Can you fill me in? Badagnani (talk) 04:15, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I guess I would need plain English to really understand this. You gave me a bunch of templates only. Badagnani (talk) 04:34, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh yeah, use {{WPVN|class=stub}} for a stub class article, use {{WPVN|class=GA}} for a GA-class article, use{{WPVN|class=A}} for an A-class article {{WPVN|class=FA}}, etc, etc, {{WPVN|class=start}} {{WPVN|class=B}} for a Start or a B-class article.. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:27, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Vietnam/Assessment#Quality_scale is the generic scale and examples to have a look at, for example. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:40, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, it's starting to make sense. My feeling is that stub cats and WikiProject tags are just tools to bring articles in a certain sphere to the attention of people who are interested and knowledgeable about those subjects. As someone interested in Vietnamese culture, I like to improve all the articles you mention (including poker players who left at an early age). You can be sure that most of those guys are listening to Paris by Night songs in their free time (even if they don't like hat cheo or cai luong), and eating gỏi cuốn. ;) Badagnani (talk) 04:47, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Heh maybe. I don't know of any Australian born Vietnamese kids where I live who listen to Nhu Quynh or Tran Thai Hoa.... except for me maybe...They don't even know who Nguyen Hue or Ngo Dinh Diem are either, mostly. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:33, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

sockpuppet

Hey so Palace is Sumple’s sock? It seems like he is still refusing to acknowledge that fact on AN/I. Does this constitute as trolling? The fact that he is trying to sound like a neutral editor genuinely concerned about the integrity of my userpage while hiding the fact that we had an ugly history. He also seems to be hiding his block log and history of abuse. Is blocking the right course of action?--Certified.Gangsta (talk) 07:46, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Well it's too old to do a checkuser but he hasn't even bothered hiding it. The userpage of PG08 has a link to his personal webpage, which leads here. Click on "main page" and it leads to here where it says he is Sumple. This is also consistent with his deleted userpage for Sumple. They all had the same external links to the Chinese Law Students society etc, etc and the same type of info. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:57, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
You're absolutely right. His relationship to admin User:enochlau is also highly questionable. Now that he has come out of his shell and start crusading against people he hold grudges against in his previous account, I think he has violated the terms of right of vanish and therefore has become an abusive sock and troll that should be blocked.--Certified.Gangsta (talk) 08:20, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

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Hi BLN - we're planning a third meetup in Adelaide sometime in the coming weeks, and would love to have you there. If you can, please help decide a location, a date and a time here. Thanks! ~ Riana 12:38, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

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Hrmm...Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:25, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

IP vandalism to yet another Falun Gong article

I've just posted here, for your information. Ohconfucius (talk) 08:39, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Copyright violation

I have reported Ichisada Miyazaki, which you expanded, for {{copy-vio}}. I'm telling you this in case you want to challenge it, or rewrite the article, otherwise the article will be deleted.--Bothnia (talk) 18:36, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Okey, I'll see to it. Or I'll just rework when needed. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:25, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

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Hi, Just wondered if your oppose still stands. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 21:29, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah, okay I'll have a look soon. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:25, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Request for Mediation: Howard family copra interests

A new Request for Mediation has been initiated for the John Howard article regarding the Howard family interests in Copra plantations in New Guinea. Initially, a small number of editors were listed as 'interested parties'. However, the Committee Chair has indicated that a wider group may now be invited to participate. An invitation will now be sent to everyone who has previously commented on the John Howard talk page regarding this subject. If you would like to participate, please place your name at: Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/John Howard. There is also a discussion page regarding this RfM. Regards, Lester 22:16, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Noted. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:25, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

DYK update

Howdy Blnguyen! I notice that you were active atm. The DYK is in need of a new updated. I moved some over but I hesitate to add one with a picture because I know something "special" needs to be done with the pic nom. I also wasn't sure how many nom were needed to balance it with the rest of the mainpage. Thanks! Agne/ 02:14, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh, you were coming in just as I was on the way out...:( Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:25, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Oh no problem. Andrew was able to take care of it. :) Agne/ 05:27, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


Wicca/Paganism in Australia

You keep deleting my 'Wicca/Paganism in Australia' paragraph and I wish to know why. I've checked my facts, I've added citations & I'm not breaking any rules. So why is it being deleted? The page itself isn't being deleted, just the paragraph and the link in the 'Religion in Australia'. I sincerely hope that you aren't doing this as a result of your ignorance towards the religion. Wicca & Paganism is one of many Australian religions and it has a right to be here just like Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism etc. So please, put your personal feelings against the religion aside and don't delete it again.

LilMizPiper

I removed your standalone section because of WP:UNDUE - Wicca is not a "major minority religion" in Australia, unliked, eg, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism. I see that it has been reinserted in teh small religions parts, which is fine. It's not about my personal religious preferences. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:42, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

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WWOS

Found this and thought you may want to take a look at it. Confirmed to me that this is not a reliable source, much worse in my opinion than even some of the Indian tabloids. And the attitude of the comments is also outrageous, wanting to declare the match null and void because one team swung the ball and the others didn't. So can instances of WWOS sources be questioned in articles? Darrowen (talk) 06:08, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's just an opinion piece, which is not good enough for presenting hard facts anyway generally speaking. I would say that WWOS is the TV arm of Cricket Australia anyway. Oh the people's comments don't mean anything since we don't know who they are, it could be a Pakistani calling himself "Indian from Chennai" and making anti-India troll comments, or some Indian could pretend to be an "ashamed Australian or whatever" - and of course, with these things, some random person could just sock. And yes, ToI and Rediff are rubbish. And so are Australian tabloids. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:42, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

DYK

Updated DYK query On 20 January, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Quietly Confident Quartet, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
Updated DYK query On 20 January, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mark Tonelli, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
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Updated DYK query On 20 January, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Peter Evans (swimmer), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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WP:VIETNAM

I had a couple questions on categories for the bot to run through. Please remember, though, that my knowledge of all things Vietnamese comes solely from the TV, so if I seem ignorant, it's because I am :)

Are at least 80% of the articles in the following categories ones that "belong" to WP:VIETNAM?

Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:35, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh, thanks for pointing that out. Some of them I wasn't looking carefully enough. Category:Islands of the South China Sea, Category:Japanese war crimes, Category:Naval battles of the Sino-French War, Category:Tai history, Category:Tai peoples need to go. I'll comment them out on the cat list. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 23:42, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi, Blnguyen! I have roughly 180 categories left to tag. But I've run up against a couple fixes I want to make to the bot's coding. And I'm traveling today. So it will be Thursday or Friday before I can get the bot to run through another batch of those. Just thought I'd let you know. Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:54, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

1996 Olympics

According to , Canada won the men's 4X100 m relay, not the U.S. A direct link doesn't work, so click "By team", "Men", "Gold", "America", "Canada", and "Atlanta 1996". On Misplaced Pages, this is confirmed near the end of 1996 Summer Olympics#Highlights, at Canada at the 1996 Summer Olympics, and at United States at the 1996 Summer Olympics. Art LaPella (talk) 23:56, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

That was a running relay. The Quietly Confident Quartet discusses medley swimming relays. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 23:59, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Oops, sorry. Art LaPella (talk) 00:27, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Re:Expatriate Vietnamese & WPVN

I couldn't agree more. DHN (talk) 03:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Editor Badagnani

You probably already know this, but this user has ZERO intention of working in good faith. He will edit war endless against Wiki policies. Probably needs to be blocked. Thanks, --Tom 19:07, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Mongo numbering

Identifying sock voting is very important, but you threw off the numbering for the votes at the Mongo RfA. Doczilla (talk) 03:55, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Never mind. User:Ice Cold Beer fixed it. Doczilla (talk) 03:56, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

sockpuppets

I hate sockpuppets at least as much as the next guy, having been harrassed by some confirmed sockpuppets. But I am missing out on how you know these contributors were sockpuppets. Are you one of the people authorized to do a Checkuser?

Forgive me, I thought there was a formal procedure for initiating checkuser requests.

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 04:19, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I do have the checkuser function, so I don't have to go and ask a checkuser to do one for me. I was just reading through and RedChinaForever (talk · contribs) just got my attention from its username alone. And then when I looked at its edit history it looked pretty suspicious so I ran one. It appears that RCF/MichelleG have a veteran editor as their sockpuppetmaster that did a third oppose vote, but I'm asking for another person to take a look since it seems like a sensation. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
I would like to complain about your block of RedChinaForever. All of this user's edits are good—what is it about this user that makes you feel he or she should be banned on a sockpuppetry accusation when he or she makes only good edits? Everyking (talk) 21:20, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Well the CU showed that RCF and MichelleG and a third account triple voted on MONGO's RfA. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:04, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
You indefinitely blocked all of the accounts just for that? First of all, I'd like for another CU to look at that and see if your findings are accurate. But assuming that they are, you can just block two of the accounts and warn the third. There is no need whatsoever to completely shut out a good editor over such a thing. Everyking (talk) 03:38, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
It is fairly easy to see who the puppetmaster is with just a little investigation. Dureo (talk) 15:51, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, the third account - the main account which has made thousands of edits (unlike MichelleG and RCF, which made less than 300 combined) has not been blocked. I have only blocked MG and RCF so far. I did ask two other CUs by email to look at the case and the main account but they haven't replied yet.Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:46, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
All right, I don't have a problem with that, as long as you don't block the remaining account (presuming there's no further abuse). Everyking (talk) 04:04, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Che Guevara Revision

Although I appreciate your contributions in the field of "Sock puppets" ... I would appreciate it if you would not vandalize the Che Guevara page. Declaring something "Communist Patter" (Whatever that means) is not sufficient enough of a reason to delete something. You are more than welcome to provide points or justifications for something if you believe it to be innaccurate and I can provide the evidence.

Redthoreau--TR 05:45, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not vandalising. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:04, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Vietnam flag

Was the decision not to use the flag in the banner related to the history of the country? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ 12:57, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, since it was decided in the group that the flag did not represent Vietnam generally, but only a certain political faction. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:04, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

thx


I have the mop but can you search the RFA meeting shown to find the bucket?
<font=3> Thanks for your support, my request for adminship passed 60/0/0 yesterday!

I want to thank Mrs.EasterBunny and Royalbroil for nominating me, those who updated the RfA tally, and everyone for their support and many kind words. To paraphrase a president ... I wish my mum and dad could see the comments made. My dad would be so proud to see the comments ... and my mum would have believed them". I will do my best to use the new tools carefully and responsibly (and you may be surprised to find that I have not deleted all of the pages by accident..... yet).

Thanks again, Victuallers (talk) 20:51, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Dr Johnson - Dictionary writerBoswell - BiographerSir Joshua Reynolds - HostDavid Garrick - actorEdmund Burke - statesmanPasqual Paoli - Corsican patriotCharles Burney - music historianThomas Warton - poet laureateOliver Goldsmith - writerMy co-nominator - majestically hot water?A bucket for youMy nominator - a seasonal female married rabbitservant - poss. Francis BarberPlay about ... can you find the bucket?
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Re: Loan Chau

To be honest, I've never heard of this singer, but then again I don't pay much attention to Vietnamese-language variety shows. That user might be a fan, or it might be herself. We had the chief editor of Nguoi Viet Daily News editing here, so I'm not surprised. DHN (talk) 01:41, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Cape Pallarenda Conservation Park and Vietnamese grave/memorial

I think the link to the category should stay. These people have been recognised as Australia's first Vietnamese, if forgotten. I think it is of interest to people looking into Australian Vietnamese. ROxBo (talk) 04:09, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Indef block of Dariusisdaman

You indicated in the block that this user was a inappropriate sock puppet. The user has requested several unblocks. I am considering declining his most recent request, and leaving him blocked, simply because he appears to be using the unblock template to coninuously be disruptive (he has left no less than 4 unblock requests in 2 days, each with a different reason) however, I wanted additional input from you, since you blocked him for sockpuppetry. Do you have that evidence so that other admins can make an informed decision on how to handle this guy? Thanks a bunch!!! --Jayron32.talk.contribs 18:21, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Execuse me

Excuse me! I redirect "Yen Bai mutiny" to "Yên Bái mutiny" just to support Vietnamese tone marks; you can easily figure it out and don't have to ask why. When you redirect the page that I create "Proclamation of Independence of the Democratic Republic of Việt Nam" to "Proclamation of Independence of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam", I didn't say a thing. But now I do same thing and you delete it. No fair! JacquesNguyen (talk) 22:01, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Belated Happy New Year

Hi, BInguyen. I just wanted to apologize for not responding earlier to your Happy New Year's note on my talk page, and to wish you a joyous year as well. I needed time off to recover my good faith in Misplaced Pages: I have, and I'm back, refreshed and restored. Best regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:43, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

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Bless Sins

Hi Blnguyen, regarding Bless Sins' block, would you consider shortening the duration? Bless Sins has recently acknowledged that his editing pattern was disruptive, and I'm slightly concerned that Arrow740 was engaging in similar conduct. Addhoc (talk) 15:37, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Blnguyen, How come you didn't block Arrow when he stalked me on psychology related article (out of his watchlist). Here is what Arrow said in justifying it:"There's nothing wrong with checking contributions and looking at one diff"--Be happy!! (talk) 07:07, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
No one would disagree with that, Aminz. Because you have unfortunately refused to present the whole story (and my response to your frivolous claim), I will copy what I said to you here. "I saw you calling polytheistic beliefs "naive" with no edit summary and got a little suspicious." It's a far cry from what BS did, as you would know if you had looked at the edits he has made at Buddha-nature and it's talk page. Arrow740 (talk) 08:03, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

RfA thank-spam

YellowMonkey, I wish to tender my sincere thanks for your support in my successful request for adminship, which ended with 37 supports, 2 opposes, and 2 neutral. The results of the RfA are extremely bittersweet because of the recent departure of my nominator, Rudget. Hopefully I can live up to his and your expectations. I would especially like to thank Epbr123 and TomStar81 for mentioning that they were preparing to offer me a nomination. The past week has been one of the most stressful weeks in my life, and I appreciate your vote of confidence in me. If you ever need anything, just get in touch. -MBK004 21:11, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Double DYK

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"Dodona" checkuser

Hello, thanks for dealing with my "Dodona" request so quickly. Since the user is now making passionate - and, strangely, credible-sounding - professions of innocence, I've asked an additional question for clarification at Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Dodona. Thanks, Fut.Perf. 10:05, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Question

Hi Blnguyen. I tried to send an e-mail to the Arbcom mailing list. Do you know if it got through? You're the only arbitrator that I really know which is why I ask. --JayHenry (talk) 00:29, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

User:Ionas68224 and User:68.224.117.152

I have no motivation to file a WP:RFAR, I simply post here on behalf of blocked IP 68.224.117.152. Please see the post here. Best regards! --omtay38 02:12, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for participating in my RfA!

Thanks for participating in my RfA!
Although it failed 43/27/0, I'm happy because the outcome has been very helpful in many meaningful ways. Moreover your input alerted me to your understandable concerns about falling back on revert too often. I will take heed and address them. All the best, Gwen Gale (talk) 05:07, 26 January 2008 (UTC)