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Aram Nahrin - the Aramaeans, the Bible, Christianity and the WestBy Dr. Muhammad Shamsaddin Megalommatis www.americanchronicle.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.233.205.87 (talk • contribs)

He's not a Doctor and he's not a scholar and if you take his opinion seriously you should be ignored on Wiki. — EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 21:43, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Syriacs are a ethnic group, they are not assyrians

Syriacs are recognized as a ethnic group in the whole world in countrys as sweden, netherlands, turkey, syria, lebanon (arameans) etc. only in sweden there are 80 000 SYRIACS. the Syriac national association in sweden got 20 000 members against the assyrian national association in swedens 8 000 members. i am syriac, and im under a another flag, the syriac flag that is way different from the assyrian flag. i have another history ( the aramean history) when you have your own "assyrian" history. there are millions of people worldwide calling them self SYRIACS (suryoye oromoye) that is differnet from ASsyrians (Suryoye othoroye). there is a syriac channel called SURYOYO SAT, and its logo is the Syriac/aramaic flag. there is the Syriac/aramaic universal alliance and their logo is the syriac/aramaic flag. the syriac/aramaic party in lebanon is called aramaic democratic organisatoin and its party logo is the syriac/aramaic flag. and the syriac people in lebanon call them selfs for syriac/arameans. it is only you CHALDEAN and ELIASALUCARD that thinks that the syriacs are "assyrians". i can put up 600 sources and references that shows that we, the syriacs, are a ethic group and descendants to the ARAMAEANS, not the "assyrians". 85.226.122.174 (talk) 15:43, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Syriacs are recognized as a ethnic group in the whole world in countrys as sweden, netherlands, turkey, syria, lebanon (arameans) - prove it, bring sources. Until then, stop editing. Chaldean (talk) 01:17, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Evidence and quotes that syriacs are arameans http://www.urhoy.info/2.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.226.122.174 (talk) 09:51, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

This is not "Evidence". I don't think you know how Misplaced Pages works. You need reliable sources to back up your claim, not some extermist nationalist website. We and many other members have discussed this issue and have ultimatly proven that, first: no country recognizes "Syriac" as a ethnic group. Second: All nations recognize the Syriac speaking nation as Assyrians, as proven with census date from these countries. Please don't edit other people's comments. Chaldean (talk) 15:37, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Chaldean: This is not true for Sweden, where the government speaks of "assyrier/syrianer". /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 15:51, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I would love some kind of source for this. Second of all, this user is trying to claim Syrainer are Aramean. Does Sweden support this too? Chaldean (talk) 16:37, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

You can do a google search over Swedish government sites, for example http://www.google.se/search?q=assyrier+site:.gov.se . In most instances, 'assyrian' occurs in combination with 'syrianer'. This is also true for a search on 'syrianer' , which gives approximately the same number of hits. Of 'arameer' I found only one example on the Swedish goverment site. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 16:49, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

The Swedish government is no authority on this (and really has nothing to say about this). Misplaced Pages relies on published academic sources published by experts. Most experts say that Syriacs are Assyrians. There are a few experts (Brock) who states that we have an Aramaean cultural heritage (as in language), but the academic consensus is that we're Assyrians. And no, Sweden doesn't support that we're Aramaeans. All so called "aramaeans" are known as Syrianer here. And we all know what that means. The current article is shit and uses a few age old statements as some sort of expertise. This is not an article about an ethnic group. To claim that Syriacs are an ethnic group is like saying Roman Catholics are an ethnic group. The ethnic group is Assyrian. — EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 17:51, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Edit war

The background of the edit war is that there is an Assyrian name controversy, which at least in Sweden has lead to some violence. A significant part of the immigrants with a background in Syriac Christian communities reject the connections with the ancient culture of the Assyrian empire. Some of these claim instead connections to the ancient Aramaeans. This article, in its present form, claims that Abgar V of Edessa was an Aramaean king. Following legend, this article claims that this Abgar (historically contemporary with Jesus) converted his realm to Christianity. So this is all very partisan, and unlikely to produce stable articles. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 10:46, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Syriacs"

Thank you for your superfluous and uninformed description, Pieter. This topic has been discussed to death here on English Wiki. It's not a new subject and we really don't need your input on it. A consensus has been established that "Syriacs" should redirect to the disambiguation page, Syriac (disambiguation) and that the article Assyrian people, per WP:COMMONNAME for the ethnic group in question, should deal with the subject. No need to act like a superhero by trying to be an expert on a subject you know nothing about. Thank you. — EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 19:19, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Objection: consensus has never been reached. EliasAlucard has just got his way in pushing his assyrianist agenda. --Benne _(talk) 22:53, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Translation: Hello, I'm User:Benne, I'm just sorry because I never got it my way and because my sources are not academic. I have never really been able to present any valid case of academic sources; all I do is refer to urhoy.info and aramnahrin.org which are websites run by lunatics and psycopaths. Besides that, all I do is run around WP:STALK Assyrian-related articles, and POV-push and instigate revert-wars. This is my main purpose for editing on Misplaced Pages. I don't edit other types of articles, I'm just here to cause disruption in well written Assyrian related articles and make them all Syriac-Aramaic. — EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 23:02, 27 January 2008 (UTC)