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:Please do not consider this as an official statement by the committee. If it is so obvious that the article should be on article probation then there is no need for an arbitration hearing. The Arbitration Committee is here for the difficult decisions, and the decisions that need confidentiality. All uninvolved administrators are empowered to use their tools to prevent disruption, and if there is obvious disruption then they should go ahead and use their discretion to decide what to do. You were chosen for your judgment. If it is obvious that this particular article is the site of disruption, and there's a consensus that it should be on article probation, then put it on article probation, ]. Misplaced Pages is not bound by bureaucratic procedure. If you need a procedure for putting articles on article probation, then agree one. If you don't want anything on article probation except if the Arbitrators say so, then agree that. ] (]) 00:20, 30 January 2008 (UTC) | :Please do not consider this as an official statement by the committee. If it is so obvious that the article should be on article probation then there is no need for an arbitration hearing. The Arbitration Committee is here for the difficult decisions, and the decisions that need confidentiality. All uninvolved administrators are empowered to use their tools to prevent disruption, and if there is obvious disruption then they should go ahead and use their discretion to decide what to do. You were chosen for your judgment. If it is obvious that this particular article is the site of disruption, and there's a consensus that it should be on article probation, then put it on article probation, ]. Misplaced Pages is not bound by bureaucratic procedure. If you need a procedure for putting articles on article probation, then agree one. If you don't want anything on article probation except if the Arbitrators say so, then agree that. ] (]) 00:20, 30 January 2008 (UTC) | ||
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Addition of parties
I reversed Fedayee's addition of my name to ArbCom case, since I am not an initiating party, not the blocked user, not the blocking admin, and not the facilitator of the disputed block. Atabek (talk) 10:35, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry, but you can't just remove yourself. Let the Administrators decide if you're uninvolved. VartanM (talk) 01:39, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
VartanM, I don't believe you're an administrator, so we will let administrator decide. I expressed my stance on Ehud Lesar case, but I wasn't involved with blocking neither with producing frivolous evidence to support the misattribution of identities nor was I the initiating party for the ArbCom case, so don't see how I would be involved party. I don't mind either way, but I do mind your addition without any authority. Thanks. Atabek (talk) 19:08, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- You are a party to the case because of your heavy involvement and conduct.-- Ευπάτωρ 20:19, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- And by what authority did you remove yourself?. If you think you're uninvoled you should stop defending "Ehud", and stop your accusations of Fedayee. What are you afraid of? Don't you want Adil/Ehud unblocked? Let let the arbitrators decide if your involved or not. They will remove your name if they think your not involved. Thanks for understanding. VartanM (talk) 20:30, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Atabek can be considered a party, yes. But unless the subject of this case is expanded to the continuing disputes between some of the parties to the first two cases, as opposed to just the Baguirov/Lesar issue, Atabek probably won't figure into the final decision. I don't think anyone here wants Armenia-Azerbaijan 3. Picaroon (t) 20:40, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- Take a look here: Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/Ehud Lesar. Atabek is clearly heavily involved within the scope of the Baguirov/Lesar issue alone. Otherwise how is everyone else involved? I'm not counting the people who just made a comment or two. John Vandenberg should be added as party as well.-- Ευπάτωρ 21:15, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- Before we jump the gun, lets see how the newly amended remedies work out. Otherwise few other users would have been added if this was about AA3 VartanM (talk) 20:47, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
VartanM, I think you're still under a wrong impression of being any kind of authority on application of remedies. But if it makes you satisfied making 2 reverts on ArbCom page adding my name, by all means :) I hope you have achieved anything useful spending your time doing that. Just to highlight on what Picaroon already emphasized, Ehud Lesar case is not about Armenia-Azerbaijan ArbCom essence, it's about the case of a user charged and blocked as a sock without checkuser or identity proofs. So involved parties in this case would be those who blocked and those who produced frivolous reports, with a particular emphasis on the intentions of the latter. Thanks. Atabek (talk) 00:12, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Question about whether a proposed finding of fact has a chance
Is Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Highways 2/Workshop#"Decommissioned highway" is a neologism a content decision, or does it have a chance of passing? If the former, is there a way I can reword it to make it acceptable? --NE2 09:47, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Newyorkbrad
Friendliest arbitrator EVAR! MilesAgain (talk) 10:21, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for your comment. :) I actually think it's very important to provide these kinds of explanations sometimes. The arbitration process and pages are complicated, especially for newer editors, and when someone is making a mistake or is seeking dispute resolution in the wrong place, we really ought to be steering them to the right place rather than just say "go away." I'm not the only one to do that, by the way; FloNight, for one, was doing much the same thing months before I was elected. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 13:00, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Clarification for Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles
I suggest somebody should come up with a list of which articles are under the ruleing of this arbcom case, so as to not confuse anyone in the future. There are some articles that are borderline as to whether or not they are considered part of this topic. Yahel Guhan 04:44, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
- Considering the breadth of the topic area, I can't see it being practical to compile a list of individual articles covered by the arbitration. As far as I'm aware we've not done anything like that for other topic area arbitrations such as Kosovo, Macedonia, Armenia-Azerbaijan etc. The arbitrators have made it clear that they consider the scope to be a broad one in this case. Given that, I think editors will need to assume that any article with a conceivable link to the Arab-Israeli conflict is covered by the arbitration, and behave accordingly. -- ChrisO (talk) 08:25, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Highways
With all due respect, I am wondering why the Arbitration Committee has been mostly silent about this case. This case has been here for nearly three weeks, and only one Arbitrator has commented on this case (except for the temporary injunction). --Rschen7754 (T C) 02:00, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
- Anybody? --Rschen7754 (T C) 00:04, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
- I can't speak for the arbitration committee, but they seem to be busy dealing with the IRC case at the moment. I would advise patience. And don't spend too much time making proposals. Clearly-laid out evidence is the most important thing. The arbitrators should be able to come up with a final decision from the evidence, and the workshop proposals will help guide them in that. Carcharoth (talk) 00:12, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
- As a non-American I've taken a supportive role in the highways case but I can tell you that we are currently dealing with the vexed IRC case and also sifting nominees for the working group on nationalist editwars. Highways has not escaped notice, though. Sam Blacketer (talk) 00:25, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
- Okay. Thanks :) --Rschen7754 (T C) 00:28, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
- As a non-American I've taken a supportive role in the highways case but I can tell you that we are currently dealing with the vexed IRC case and also sifting nominees for the working group on nationalist editwars. Highways has not escaped notice, though. Sam Blacketer (talk) 00:25, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Homeopathy
Isn't this a poster child for the imposition of Misplaced Pages:Article probation? MilesAgain (talk) 21:49, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
- Please do not consider this as an official statement by the committee. If it is so obvious that the article should be on article probation then there is no need for an arbitration hearing. The Arbitration Committee is here for the difficult decisions, and the decisions that need confidentiality. All uninvolved administrators are empowered to use their tools to prevent disruption, and if there is obvious disruption then they should go ahead and use their discretion to decide what to do. You were chosen for your judgment. If it is obvious that this particular article is the site of disruption, and there's a consensus that it should be on article probation, then put it on article probation, dear Liza. Misplaced Pages is not bound by bureaucratic procedure. If you need a procedure for putting articles on article probation, then agree one. If you don't want anything on article probation except if the Arbitrators say so, then agree that. Sam Blacketer (talk) 00:20, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
- Good idea. Would somebody like to propose this remedy at WP:AN? Jehochman 00:27, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Dbachmann/Workshop
I have noticed that people are still adding comments to the page above, despite the fact that the case is closed. Would it be appropriate to add some sort of comment there to indicate that the case is closed? John Carter (talk) 18:23, 29 January 2008 (UTC)