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Cleanup needed

I tagged this for cleanup because of the assorted obvious vandalism to the sidebar, the school song, and the list of notable alums. Unfortunately, it's not a simple revert, as people have done useful work in the meantime. William Pietri 18:08, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

thanks for cleaning up for us, can you fix the article back to the original. Webmaster@pbcf.nsw.edu.au

more noteable past students

I'm sure there are more. eg Kiren Gilbert (sp?) from sky news.

Also, either the current mayor of Penrith, or very recent mayor was an old boy.

Disambiguation

Although there are no entries for the other Sydney colleges (Ryde, Granville, Blacktown, Forest Lodge) I think the article should be retited to Patrician Brothers' College Fairfield.

Decur 06:20, 9 April 2007 (UTC) St Pat's Blacktown old boy.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 19:28, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Students

I have removed two sections from the article. Section 1 lists every head boy at the school and Section 2 lists the leadership of the school for 2007-2008. Section 1 is deleted purely because its non-notable, you may wish to ask yourself Who was the head boy at Patrician Brothers College, Fairfield in 1984?, the answer you will find is no-one cares. Section 2 is deleted for being unencylopedic, it may also be a bit of recentism. Twenty Years 13:59, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. I feel that the inclusion of names of minors is a concern. Schools must gain parental permission before publishing names of children, therefore wikipedia should ensure that they comply. I don't find the list of Patrician Brothers' College captains to be of any interest at all. None of the GA Aust schools have included them. If one of them is notable then by all means add them to notable alumni and mention that they were school captain. Loopla (talk) 06:46, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

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In response to the removal of the aforementioned section, i adress Loopla and Twenty Years. I my self am i past captain of the college and believe that both i, and my fellow captains deserve a mention on this site. i also believe that the current leadership have the right to be mentioned, as i would have appreciated also many years ago. What is the point of wikipedia? the answer is to provide information to the public, and to let the public decide what is included. i feel that these two categories fulfill both criteria. the information is rlevant, wheter you accept it or not.

In response to it being unencylopedic wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn defines encyclopedic as being broad in scope or content. The history of college leadership isnt broad enough for you?

and finally, the audacity of saying that no one cares is shocking. evidently the poor soul who added the list cares, hence enough to warrent its presence. i feel that people should STOP trying to enforce their beleifs on this site. none of you, and i speak particularly to loopla and Twenty Years, are administrators on this site. you have the same entitlements as anyone else in this world does to decide what goes on this page. for this reason, i will continue to undo your edits. wikipedia is not about manipulation and controlling, thats not the reason why you are allowed to edit it. i hope to not have to continue in this childish war. if anyone wishes to discuss this issue further, please do so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zebra91 (talk • contribs) 06:53, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is not a place for self promotion (see WP:SOAP). Please also see WP:SCH#WNTI, "School articles should specifically not include: Lists of current teachers, pupils, administrative staff, school secretaries, etc", and WP:DIRECTORY. Please remember to sign your comments Zebra91. Loopla (talk) 07:05, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

i truly find that offensive. i have not promoted myself at all. and in response to Please also see WP:SCH#WNTI, "School articles should specifically not include: Lists of current teachers, pupils, administrative staff, school secretaries, etc", i question why you have allowed the incluson of the name of the principle (administrative staff), also the secton on lay leadership, the section on brother richard. also, in reference to your initial tips i direct you to Aquinas College, Perth, Presbyterian Ladies College, Sydney which lists past and preset head maters. quite frankly, there is no valid reason that you have to continue this stupidity. i will continue to correct what you have edited Zebra91 (talk) 07:20, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Lists of students are not encyclopedic and don't belong here unless the students are notable outside the school. If students' names are continually added the page can be easily protected from edits. ... discospinster _talk 18:02, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I refer everyone to WP:SCH#WNTI, the guide on how to write articles on schools. the last line of the intro sates Note that these are only recommendations, and editors are not obliged to follow them. Over the past week i have been bombarded with excuses on why these lists should not be added, from child protection (which was a void excuse, considering that the names of these students and many others appear on the school website without permission, also names do not breach any official codes), the quote that "School articles should specifically not include: Lists of current teachers, pupils, administrative staff, school secretaries, etc", where all school articles breech this, particularly this one with many references (where the so called refereeing of the article now?) and finally that it is unencyclopaedic. wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn defines encyclopedic as being broad in scope or content. The history of college leadership isnt broad enough for you?. Then after i tried to defend my reasoning, the only thing loopla had to retaliate with was Misplaced Pages is not a place for self promotion (see WP:SOAP). . Seriously, what is that? thats resorting to desperation, because you all know that there is NO valid reason why these lists should be removed. you are just blindly trying to enforce your points of view for the sake of it. not one person on this message board has presented a valid reason why it should be removed.

i ask again for reason. whether it be loopla, twenty years, or this new player discospinster, stop playing administrators. this is a public forum. past, present and other members of the college have the right to determine what is included. and yes, i have browsed your user pages, many medals, congratualations. if you were truly that good, you would be writing for funk and wagnals, or britanica. but no, you are not. you are trying to exercise power over a wiki page(WIKI: A website or similar online resource which allows users to add and edit content collectively. www.tvb.org/multiplatform/Multiplatform_Glossary.asp). you have no right to threaten with securing the page. all that is, is a baby winging to have their own way. and i am sorry to make this personal, but thats all this is. Cyberbullying. everyone has the right to determine what content occurs on a page. and yes, securing can be aranged. but look at pastsites that have been secured, George Bush's page is most notable. and why was it secured. because of vandalism on the site where people were including political views. you can hardly say that these lists are vandalism, political, or creating a non neutral page.

without having WP:SOAP thrown at me again, i have had my day in the sun at the school. i dont need praise. but this now is purly about principle for me. You can not use mob mentality to group up on another person. again i will continue to edit this site. i ask again for this stupidiyt to be brought to an end.

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