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Welcome!

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Re: The PlayStation 2 conflict

I've replied at User talk:Dancter#The PlayStation 2 conflict to avoid fragmented discussion. Dancter 17:20, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I have replied both at User talk:Dancter#PS2 and at Talk:PlayStation 2#Intro. Please direct further discussion of this dispute to the latter thread. Dancter 23:04, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

PlayStation 2 intro

Before revert see the Talk:PlayStation 2#Intro my edit is fully explained there. --Ciao 90 11:10, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

FROM THE PS2 TALK PAGE:

Pure numbers alone is not the only measure of "success". One must take into account other factors such as (a) the Atari 2600 and Nintendo ES dominated with 85% of total video consoles sold, while PS2 only had ~66% (with Xbox/Cube taking the rest). (b) There were 2 billion fewer humans back in the 80s, thus limiting how many units either Atari or Nintendo could sell. Smaller population == fewer opportunities for sale. (c) The fact that Atari gave birth to a new hobby for home entertainment (1977) and Nintendo resurrected the hobby from the dead (the 1983-84 crash) is also a reason why they deserve "most successful", not PS2. POINT: There's more to the word "success" then dreamt of in your limited philosophy. - Theaveng 14:07, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

If we just consider gaming; Playstation has done alot of great things. For starters, do you really think that Final Fantasy 7 would have been anywhere near as good, if it ended up on the N64 (where it was originally headed, before Nintendo opted for cartridges)? It would not have been anywhere near as long, nor would it have been as cinematic, and basically, would not have been the masterpiece that we all know and love (and what most of us consider to be the pinnacle of the entire series). We have Resident Evil. The game was only given the go-ahead, because Capcom new that the Playstation's userbase were generally older, and on it there was a market for stronger, more mature material. Not that it never would have happened, but it wouldn't have happened the way it did without the Playstation, and it wouldn't be the game it is today.

I agree. PS2 is my favorite console (for now). That still does not mean I think it should be labeled "most successful". (See comments above.) Best-selling, yes, but not most-successful. ----- Also: Most Final Fantasy fans consider FF6 to be the best, not FF7. (See various polls.) If you've not played FF6, do so now because it's the better game. ----- And Resident Evil is not the first survival horror game; that was "Haunted House" on the Atari, plus several similar games released on Commodore, Nintendo, CD32, and IBM-compliant PCs. Don't hold-up RE as some grand-new idea, because it isn't. The RE-style genre existed long before PS1 came along. ----- - Theaveng 14:07, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Playstation is responsible for getting gaming out of the nerd fraternity, and into the mainstream. While this is certainly a double-edged sword, there certainly wouldn't be the market for multi-million dollar gaming epics, without what Sony's Playstation did to the industry. Not the booming market we have today, at least. Look at Gran Turismo, it was placed in bars and clubs so it would help push gaming further.

"Into the mainstream" is a well-worn urban legend that many people like to repeat (along with Betamax had a better picture & Porn helped VHS win), but NONE of these supposed claims are backed by any kind of citations or proof. The previous consoles Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis both sold ~150 million units, comparable to how many PS1s/N64s were sold. I don't see any "explosive growth" as often is claimed. - Theaveng 14:07, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Now that the games industry is galactic in scale, more money is put into developing games. While sure, alot of crap has come of it, do you really think anyone, let alone SEGA, could have afforded to make Shenmue? Or what about Resident Evil 4? It's not like little gaming masterpieces have been stamped out. PS2 has helped elevate gaming and sold a crazy amount of units, and this all I want to sum up. But you don't read and accuse a news site for a blog? And does it mean all the news sites we use are not 'experts'? I don't want to be involved anymore, do with the article what you want. JTBX 23:58, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Please don't reveal my real name on the public forum. That's extremely, extremely rude, and I'm sure it violates some rule somewhere. I've deleted it. - Theaveng 14:07, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Please don't reveal personal info

"I don't want to be involved anymore, do with the article what you want ." JTBX 23:58, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Please don't reveal my real name on the public forum. That's extremely, extremely rude, and I'm sure it violates some rule somewhere. I've deleted it from the PS2 talk page. - Theaveng 14:07, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Images in GTA articles

I've reverted your re-addition of the images and the removal of the excessive non-free content tags because there were/are far too many images on those pages which aren't free. That quantity of images is not necessary for the reader to understand the content of the article and so are not necessary to be included. This is a very important policy for Misplaced Pages as it could result in legal action so using non-free screen shots must be completely, 100% necessary or it cannot happen. I hope it's clear now why the images have been removed and are tagged for cleanup. ●BillPP 20:01, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

In respect of your re-addition of the Liberty City images, please see this policy page. The image must do more than "aid in the description" of an aspect of the game, they must be used for critical commentary. Using images just as a description aid isn't good enough. The maps, and 1 image per game of how it compares to New York are acceptable. Images of lots of different places in the game are overdoing it. If the images are just being used to describe what the game looks like then using too many is going to be a problem when it comes to fair use. The fair use policy states that only the minimum required is used and it is not necessary for many of the pictures to be there for the reader to be able to understand the subject. ●BillPP 22:45, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Warhawk

Since the side articles of Warhawk are going to be deleted I think we should turn them into templates that hide, and then put them on the main article.--Playstationdude 14:47, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I tried making the template, but wasn't very successful. What it is is at the beginning people put Navbox on the beginning of the template. See Template:HighDefinitionMedia. I well look more into it and ask around. Also saw that you joined the task force. Just reserved the new Ratchet and Clank. I only hope that they make a last announcement of Co-op play. Loved the L1 over the shoulder view.--Playstationdude 20:51, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Ciao90

See Misplaced Pages:Wikiquette_alerts where I opened-up a request for comment. - Theaveng 20:15, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

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Warhawk

Luckily it doesn't come up on the article when I checked it. I really don't know what happened, but can you go to wp:rm and vote it to be moved to regular warhawk. Just recopy and paste your edits and I am sure someone will ad the ref later for you. Thinks for the add on of the article though, didn't know he released the information. You probably will take a long time to answer this since heroes is on.--Playstationdude 01:03, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I am sorry. Don't worry I just watched the new episode for today, and all it did was make me ask more questions then answers.--Playstationdude 01:29, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Ya, I think the key to Lost's and Heros' success is the fact of cliffhanger questions. They are basically taking viewers the same way that soaps took our moms.--Playstationdude 01:36, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

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WikiProject Firearms

Welcome to the WikiProject Firearms. I hope you enjoy being a member.--LWF 03:14, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Ratchet & Clank

Here is what GameSpot said is bad about the new game:

There's some good humor in it, but the story isn't very interesting, and the ending is a letdown
So many different, often unnecessary gameplay mechanics that the game lacks an identity
Difficulty is too easy and only the last hour or so is remotely challenging.

I personally don't use that site.--Playstationdude 00:00, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

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Cantell

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Re: Hi

Yep, I live in the Southampton area. Waggers (talk) 15:36, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Your turn

Hi! It is now your turn to ask a question in India quiz. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:24, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

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WP:PINQ

Hi,

Your question has been answered. Can you please confirm whether the answer is correct, so that the quiz can continue. Thanks -- ¿Amar៛ 08:52, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

wp:in quiz

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M-1 Carbine Revert War

The M1 carbine article is currently on lock down. An administrator has requested some discussion from memeber of the Firearms Wikiproject. Can you take a look? Sf46 (talk) 19:14, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Vortigaunt, notability, referencing, content and structure.

Because edit summaries aren't long enough and aren't meant as forums to debate this over, I'm bringing it here. Vortigaunt fails to establish its in its current form. Notability is not a case of "I think it's notable so it must be", it needs to be proved - especially for fictional subjects like this - and that burden of proof is on the article's editors. From WP:NOTE:

"A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject."

Look at WP:FICTION#Defining_notability_for_fiction's examples of what sort of coverage can define notability:

"For articles about fictional concepts, reliable secondary sources cover information such as sales figures, critical and popular reception, development, cultural impact, and merchandise; this information describes the real-world aspects of the concept, so it is real-world content."

Notability is best established through reception: How have these characters been received by the critics? How popular are they with fans/normal non-critic people? These need to be fully referenced to reliable, secondary third-party sources. From that extends merchandising, if available (in this case it is). Design and development commentary is a further avenue to help reinforce that notability. Currently, the article does not have anything of this type, which is why the "additional references needed" template is not enough, nor does it actually help describe what needs to be done. Without any established notability, the article's place on an encyclopedia is put in complete jeopardy. However, a lack of these things this does not mean the article has absolutely no notability and should be deleted - that is not my opinion or motivation for this. The template states this fairly clearly:

"If you are familiar with the subject matter, please expand or rewrite the article to establish its notability. The best way to address this concern is to reference published, third-party sources about the subject."

Only if they cannot be produced does an article need deletion, but I would be suprised if this and headcrab were unable to do this. However, the burden of proof is on the authors of the article.

As for the fansite template, that is because of the structure and content of article, while not written from an in-universe perspective, is written entirely from the view of a Half-Life fan - people unfamiliar with the subject will not likely understand it - and goes into far, far too much detail (conflicting with the principle of Misplaced Pages not being a collection of indiscriminate information) for an article on a fictional element. WP:Fancruft#Tone and focus is the area in concern here:

"One of the major aspects of fancruft articles is that they tend to focus entirely on their subject's fictional relevance, as opposed to their place in the real world."

To remove this issue, a full rewrite is appropriate, in order to properly balance real-world relevance with their in-universe role. Look at some of good status or featured status articles on similar subjects in the VG Wikiproject. Elite (Halo) and Flood (Halo), both classed as good articles provide good examples of how to properly establish notability for an in-game species and properly describe the subject in encyclopedic terms. Vortigaunt does not do this at all, which is why the templates are all completely necessary.

I want to reiterate this point one more time though, just to make sure it is clear: the issue is not that the subject is not notable. The issue is that the article in its current form does not prove in itself that it is notable, nor does it treat the subject's relevance in the real-world. It is a surmountable problem. If I didn't think it could be fixed, the template up would say "Vortigaunt is being considered for deletion", rather the current ones. -- Sabre (talk) 20:31, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Headcrab also exhibits the same symptoms, but with that I'd be even more confident that its notability can be established. Headcrabs are kind of everywhere in the video gaming culture and press. The real issues arise with the other creatures. These do not express notability, and I doubt that they ever can, certainly not as individual articles. A merge with locations and events into a collective World of Half-Life article or something like that (see comparable example articles under the VG project) may be able to accomodate some of them. I decided against putting similar templates on them all mainly due to the inevitable backlash from angry fans, which is why they're only on Vortigaunt, in hope that perhaps I can spark something towards sorting that article out as a start. These articles have just been in this state for so long, it seems too many people have got used to the way they are.

The same notability problem lies with characters. Freeman, G-Man and Alyx will probably have very little trouble with dealing with establishing their notability, they are cult icons in video gaming. The rest, though, could be covered in a merged article such as a Characters of Half-Life and a minor characters list, which can then deal with generalised real-world commentary on Half-Life characters (again, see examples). I won't deny the size of this task, I started dealing with the universe topics related to the StarCraft series back in June 2007, and I'm still working on it with only the characters in a reasonable state and being readied for GA nomination. But, the results can be worth it. -- Sabre (talk) 22:03, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

userboxes

Fixed them.--Playstationdude (talk) 01:06, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

There seemed to be a missing divider in them. I found out by just comparing them with the playstation project's box. I don't remember that problem before though. I think a guy working on the Sega Project's userbox thought it wasn't supposed to be there when he was using it to make the sega box.--Playstationdude (talk) 02:26, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Biopredatormask2.JPG

Page Move

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The topic was under discussion and I do not see any evidence that consensus had been reached. While being bold is appreciated, it's important to use or at least check discussion sections before making major changes. -Verdatum (talk) 18:17, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

This references have been used and debated before. There is reasonable argument that it is not as concrete as you would make it seem to be. The concensus reached was that the page name was not optimal but sufficient until an official name for the creature was released. -Verdatum (talk) 18:29, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

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Please take this discussion to Talk:The Cloverfield creature. Thank you. -Verdatum (talk) 18:39, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

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