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| {{Unblock reviewed|I have been falsely accused of being a sockpuppet of the user Bhaisaab. A Usercheck revealed a "likely" finding, which really only means I live in the same city as Bhaisaab and also use the same DSL service (which happens to be the most popular DSL service in the US). Editors I have previously been in conflict with know for a fact that I'm a Bangladeshi editor, whereas Bhaisaab is Pakistani/Iranian.|decline=Per Dmcdevit at the bottom of this page; this checkuser block is final, as noted by Dmcdevit's comment below and his protection of this talk page.}} | |||
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| My account has been blocked as a 'sockpuppet' of "Bhaisaab". The Usercheck to justify this block suggests that I'm "likely" him, when actually all it proves is that I live in the same area as he does, and use the same DSL provider. The conclusion that I am a 'confirmed' sockpuppet of Bhaisaab is one that would require a considerable leap of 'bad faith', particularly given the editors I have been long in conflict against all know that I'm of a different ethnicity than Bhaisaab, and edit from a perspective altogether different from him. The admin "Rama's Arrow" has long been using his administrative powers to selectively block editors in a dispute by what side they argue from. He alleges my edits are "anti-Hindu" and "Pro-Islam", when nothing I've said or done has amounted to criticism of Hinduism as a religion, or promotion of Islam. I am not into theology, my interest in both articles was limited to history and the issue of human rights. He alleges my edits constitute 'disruption', when I am the only editor in those articles who follows WP policy in respect to WP:NPOV and WP:RS. He has used such differences of opinion as justification for blocks before. He's selectively silenced apparently Pakistani/Muslim editors, and placed exceptionally harsh extentions to their blocks when they strayed from his narrow road. His Hindutva activist friends however are inert, and in the very worst of cases he will restrict himself to advising them. | |||
| == warning == | |||
| If an arbcom proceeding is needed for me to prove I'm not Bhaisaab, I'm willing to participate. Bhaisaab is supposedly a Pakistani or Iranian editor (I gather that from his talk page, etc), I'm a Bangladeshi. I can prove that, and my 'rivals' here are all aware of that. I have not edited articles on Pakistani history, which is Bhaisaab's forte. My involvment in editing Hindu-related articles stems entirely from my observing an extreme bias in the article ]. Any editor interested enough to dig deep and observe the conflict will see that the articles ] and ] contain terribly biased content intentionally disfigured to present a skewed account of history. | |||
| Please do not add nonsense to Misplaced Pages{{#if:{{{1|}}}|, as you did to ]}}. It is considered ]. If you would like to experiment, use the ]. Thank you. <!-- Template:Test2 (second level warning) --> ] 23:01, 18 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| Diffs pending. | |||
| ::Please do not remove sourced edits and mass-blank text. It is vandalism and will be reported. If you have any problems discuss in the talk page first. Also, see ] regarding your edits to ]. Thaa. ] 00:07, 19 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::: Actually I explained myself on the talk page. Rediff is not an established reliable source, and everything else I deleted was either irrelevant, or uncited. Your talk page shows you get banned frequently, Maybe you should entertain the possibility that you are in the wrong here. ] 00:10, 19 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::No.Also, please see these refs: | |||
| ⚫ | ] 19:47, 8 February 2007 (UTC) | ||
| What the heck?How is it the evidence is clear that Rumps is Hkelkar,but no tag for him.This is so silly.No evidence.So everyone who edit wars with Rumps/Hkelkar is automatically a sock of Bhaisaab.So we have about half a dozen Muslim editors edit warring with Rumps/Hkelkar are they socks of Bhaisaab?--] | |||
| Also, rediff is considered a reliable source on wikipedia. there is no if, and or but here.You should familiarize yourself more with wikipedia rules. Thaa. ] 00:13, 19 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :No, a technical report, ]. ''']''' (]) 02:57, 9 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| What is your point? The 'rediff' article doesn't even name its author. For all we know its copied from another publication. WP:RS outlines what makes a reliable source. Nothing to suggest rediff is a reliable source. I dont dispute US state dept is a reliable source, so thats irrelevant. Thuu. ] 00:17, 19 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Please read ]. | |||
| ::Rediff is a reliable source. Simple. If you have issues get a mediator. ] 00:30, 19 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Apparently. Rumplestiltskin and Bakasuprman have violated every policy of Misplaced Pages, they've attacked editors and committed obvious acts of vandalism, but because the involved admins are sympathetic to their biases (ie fellow Indians/Wikiproject Hinduism members), those people are inert to administrative sanction. They get warnings after a career of attacks, Muslim editors get blocked without explicit reasons (eg Rama's Arrow THINKS your edits are disruptive or POV). Rama himself alleges I'm anti-Hindu/pro-Islam. Diffs please? Just because I don't take to Rumplystiltskin/Bakasuprman's rewriting of history to frame Muslims as deserving of the Gujarat Massacre, or I consider the treatment of untouchables in India as a form of persecution (the UN and HRW agree with me on that) as opposed to people who CHOSE their plight (the view Baka/Rumple are promoting) doesn't mean I'm anti-Hindu, and I've done nothing to suggest I'm pro-Islam. Does thinking that figures acknowleged by the US govt and human rights organizations deserves mention in the ] article constitute anti-Hindu bias? What's the definition of neutral then? Every admin I consulted on this ridiculous block against me has responded, most saying they're helpless to do anything and that it's up to the blocking admin. The blocking admin,], however chooses to ignore my e-mails and requests. Oh,he just happens to be another member of Project India.Is it a miracle that in a dispute involving content regarding recent Indian history, all the admins using force happen to be Indian, and a disproportionate degree of that force (all as far as I can see) is applied on those editors not promoting pro-Hindutva revisionism? Tell me again how Misplaced Pages is not supposed to be a battleground. ] 22:08, 8 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == 3RR == | |||
| :The checkuser happens to show very close geographic proximity (within 8km), same company, same IP stats, etc, and "likely" is merely statistical and not dependent on perceptions due to editing patterns. This is in addition to the editing patterns of having the same interest in Indian religious articles. BS self-identified as half Iranian-Pakistani, but he edited Indian stuff (hindu-muslim) and Middle East stuff (Islam-Israel, Ahmadinejad stuff). You were suspected because for a new user you show an extremely good command of all the wiki-legal procedures and how arbitration and checkuser works. ''']''' (]) 02:57, 9 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly{{{{{subst|}}}#if:{{{1|}}}|, as you are doing in ]}}. If you continue, you may be ] from editing Misplaced Pages. Note that the ] prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for ], even if they do not technically violate the ]. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you.<!-- Template:3RR --> ] 00:17, 19 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :: As for the other stuff, being part of a WikiProject does not say anything about race or religion, so there's no need to brandish that here. Depite what a few people may think, I am neither Hindu nor Indian. A quick look at my userpage will show that my Indian article editing pertains to Indian cricketers and Buddhists. I have blocked you because it appears you are evading blocks, and have not made any content judgments or taken them into account. ''']''' (]) 02:57, 9 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :You are welcome to seek further opinions. I am not the person who could verify if you have Bengali ability, and if so, what to make of this, as I do not know how common it is amongst aubcontinental people to speak many languages. ''']''' (]) 02:58, 9 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :: Misplaced Pages is full of retarded people. The least of those retards seem to get positions as administrators. If any one of them can understand Misplaced Pages policy in a month, I can do so in a week. I've been reading this website for a while now, long enough to know the basic ropes. I know about CheckUser because "Rama's Arrow" filed that request against me, and you subsequently posted that block template directing me to it on my user page. I know of Rumplestiltskin being Hkelkar's puppet from a comment left on my talk page, and then subsequent comments by a crowd of other editors. That Rumplestiltskin is the banned Hkelkar is Misplaced Pages's worst kept secret. How long does it take to read a page and figure out what "CheckUser" might mean? Someone else did the check, how do you verify that the person is within 8 miles of my location? Do you know how many Muslims live in New York city? How many of them use Verizon DSL? If your block is grounded on statistics alone, the "Likely" result of CheckUser doesn't CONFIRM anything, merely indicates closeness of two IP users. To draw the conclusion that two people geographically located in the roughly the same area are the same person, you'd need to use their editing habits as evidence. Bhaisaab is Iranian (not Pakistani as I thought) and his edit history shows interests in Islam-related and Iranian-related articles. I'm a Bangladeshi, and my edit history shows that too, along with some sympathy for the 2000 or so Muslims killed by Hindu fanatics in Gujarat, and criticism for Hindutva-fanaticism saturated revisionist history. As for the relevance of ethnicity on Misplaced Pages, Rama's Arrow has been using his bigotries against Pakistanis/Muslims as justification for his blocks against myself, and other users including NadirAli and ]. It's a bit late to lecture on leaving our personal identities at the door. Editors edit based on their personal biases, and admins administer on them. All this is obvious to anyone who compares Rama's treatment of Muslim Wikipedians with his treatment of Hindus where there's a conflict on the same articles and editors are guilty of the same violations. ] 04:17, 9 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Let me atleast post on ] tommorrow and see what they say.--] | |||
| Looking at your user page, you should know all about being banned for 3RR. ] 00:19, 19 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::I have not violated 3RR. Please discuss in the talk page per my references. You have also removed newstoday, a reliable source. Are you saying that that is also not a reliable source? That is incredulous. What is a reliable Source to you? ] 00:29, 19 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::: These sources look like partisan rags. Cheap local newspapers can't be considered reliable. Amongst the rediff sources used are those where the authors name isn't mentioned. It seems to me rather than collecting information from solid sources, you are trying to promote your POV using anything that has ever been made into text regardless of factual integrity. 00:44, 19 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::TIME magazine is a "partisan rag"? Heeee!!! How about "" and ? Also a partisan rag? Your rhetoric betrays your bias I'm afraid. ] 01:02, 19 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::: What on earth are you talking about? Did I delete content citing Amnesty International? Use sources of high quality that people won't dispute, and get rid of low quality sources like "Rediff". ] 02:02, 19 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Only you say they are low quality. Nobody else says so. ] 03:06, 19 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| : Evidence that this block is a sham is on Blnguyen's talk page. The person I'm supposedly a sock puppet of in conversing with him over my block. How many people use two distinctly different Verizon accounts in apparently two different geographic location. There's absolutely nothing left to justify this block. ] 06:04, 9 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| ::Huh, they're dynamic ones in the same region. ''']''' (]) 06:07, 9 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::: His is dynamic, as far as I can tell, mine is not. Are you sure they're of the same region? His IP looks considerably different from mine. I don't know much about deciphering IPs, but you need some evidence to support your assertion that his IP show's he's "within 8 miles" of me. ] 06:25, 9 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| I don't have any data. That's what the checkuser official told me. ''']''' (]) 06:26, 9 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I've spoken to Dmcdevit through e-mail, he basically said it was your call (ie the blocking admin) and all he was doing was giving information. Now you're dismissing your own judgement. You're the blocking admin, you made the call that I live within 8 miles of the location he's in. You made that presumption without ever seeing the actual numbers? You made the call that I am him. You can't back down now and put it on the guy who compared numbers. You took the opportunity to block me without reviewing whether the evidence against me was solid or not. You "assumed bad faith" and connected imaginary dots to conclude I am Bhaisaab. CheckUser said "Likely", in your mind you converted "Likely" into "Confirmed" and then blocked me. Go ahead and contact the CheckUser-capable admin and have him compare whether my ID's changed since I opened my account or since this block was put in place. Have him look at the IP on your talk page now. Don't pretend you're just some cog in the machinery, you're the blocking admin. Take responsibility for your fuck-ups. ] 06:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::That's how Blnguyen operates. After he blocked me for saying Ahmadinejad is awesome to a "Jew" and later realized that Hkelkar is, in fact, Hindu he tried to make up other excuses and justifications for his block. ] 07:45, 9 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Post your IP address. ] 06:30, 9 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :I have a fixed IP, I can e-mail it to an admin. I'm not sure I'd want to share it here...I've asked Dmcdevit to do an IP check right now. We're editing at the same time, so he can verify that all my edits have been from a distinctly different IP than yours. ] 06:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Ok well good luck with that. Be careful with Bakaman. He goes on long rants about "Hkelkar sockpuppet fantasies." He did the same thing during the arbcom case and ended up ] as usual. ] 06:44, 9 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| While I am not at liberty to reveal the specific IP evidence, I will say that MinaretDk's claims are false and "likely" indeed the correct result of the check. I'm protecting this page to prevent this abuse. ]·] 08:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| Hi, I'd like to draw your attention to ]. I have tried to address the concerns in earlier ] and checked the portal against ]. Based on this I think it is proper time to push for Featured Portal status for Bangladesh Portal, which will be an important milestone for WikiProject Bangladesh. But to achieve this I need help from you. Please participate in the on-going discussion on the ] and give me your valuable inputs.-] 03:51, 3 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Please refrain from calling people "Hindu Fundamentalists" as it is a personal attack. | |||
| {{{{{subst|}}}#if:{{{1|}}}|With regards to your comments on ]: }}Please see Misplaced Pages's ] policy. Comment on ''content'', not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to ] for disruption. Please ] and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. <!-- Template:No personal attacks (npa2) --> ] 04:18, 20 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :I didn't say you're a Hindu fundementalist, I said you have their POV. That is not a personal attack, but an observation. Please invest more effort into not editing with such disregard for neutrality and factual accuracy. Please attempt to demonstrate less sympathy for Hindu extremism and their militant/terrorist actions. Please stop portraying the Hindu community in Bangladesh as being chronic victims of some imaginary atrocity. I'll refrain from using the phrase I used, regardless of how accurate it seems. ] 06:31, 20 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Please ], of which your statements above are a violation. ] 22:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| The same to you as well. I could just as easily say that, given the overwhelming references (BBC, Amnesty International) proving endemic persecution of Hindus in Bangladesh, that your attempts to whitewash it belie an Islamic Fundamentalist POV line those of ] or the BNP. ] 22:23, 20 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::You could just as easily say that, but then you'd be lying.I never deleted content citing BBC or Amnesty. There's nothing wrong with Jamaat i Islami. They explicitly state Hindus have a right to follow and enjoy their customs. Compare that to Baal Thakeray, who said Muslims shouldn't be allowed to pray in public view. ] 22:34, 20 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::In fact, Thackeray also said "We must accept the Muslims and make them a part of us". You should read Nobel Laureate VS Naipaul's books more. JI never said anything good about Hindus. They regard Hindus as subhuman infidels who should be massacred as per their false interpretation of the holy Qu'ran. ] 23:36, 20 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::Finally, despite all of this conflict, Muslims in India are among the freest in the world to practice Shariat and the entire range of the Fiqh. We pay Hajj subsidies to Muslims in India. An Indian Muslim was one of two people in history to translate the holy Qu'ran properly into English (Yusuf Ali) and the President of India is a Muslim. No such equivalent thing has happened for Hindus in Bangladesh, who are being hunted down to extermination. ] 23:40, 20 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::If I were some kind of "anti-Muslim Hindu" from the pages of ]'s propaganda leaflets, would I have made this suggestion to ] and expressed an interest in re-writing the article with historical instances of anti-Islam sentiments, or made these additions to ]? ] 23:59, 20 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Finally, in India, anti-Islam books like the "Calcutta Quran petition" are banned, whereas anti-Hindu hate literature disseminated by Lashkar-e-Toiba like "Hinduon ki Haqeeqat" is allowed to circulate freely. In Bangladesh, one Muslim woman, Taslima Nasrin, writes books critical of Islamic Fundamentalism and her books are banned and she gets death threats. ] 00:03, 21 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::This Rumpel thing is none other than HKelkar, under a ban of 1 year for disruption of almost the same set of articles.Now trying to evade the ban through some loopholes in technology.As you would see ]'s edits, he has a habit of raking up populist speak like the one's above.] 10:36, 21 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| Fine, I'll replace it with sourced, more pointed criticism. ] 03:55, 23 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Fair enough. ] 04:27, 23 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly{{{{{subst|}}}#if:{{{1|}}}|, as you are doing in ]}}. If you continue, you may be ] from editing Misplaced Pages. Note that the ] prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for ], even if they do not technically violate the ]. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you.<!-- Template:3RR -->--] 00:37, 30 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Thanks for the warning. I'm on 3 edits. The other editor is deleting content that has rock solid sources, so his work is pretty much vandalism. All he's doing is basically presenting misinformation and propaganda. ] 00:40, 30 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| {{unblock|Admin offers no precise reason for his block. He blocked another Pakistani editor (I happen to be Bangladeshi, but am also critical of the pro-Indian POV in some of my edits) without a specific example of a violation, which has been widely criticized. Admin who blocked me has blocked another editor, and the circumstances of those blocks have been held as questionable as well. I am convinced that this admin makes it a habit to block people who present edits critical of Indian history, or content on Hinduism that might be considered critical. Therefore, he is corrupt. He is abusing his powers as an admin. I responded to attacks against me with far more civil language, and yet I am the one singled out.}} | |||
| My edits include valid citations, the people i'm fighting against disregard NPOV, VS, etc. I avoid violating 3RR as best I can. Under the circumstances, given the habit of accusation and vandalism of the person I was in conflict adopts, and given this admins picking-and-choosing which violators he punishes, this block should be undone. | |||
| Previous misuses of the block: | |||
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MinaretDk (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I have been falsely accused of being a sockpuppet of the user Bhaisaab. A Usercheck revealed a "likely" finding, which really only means I live in the same city as Bhaisaab and also use the same DSL service (which happens to be the most popular DSL service in the US). Editors I have previously been in conflict with know for a fact that I'm a Bangladeshi editor, whereas Bhaisaab is Pakistani/Iranian.
Decline reason:
Per Dmcdevit at the bottom of this page; this checkuser block is final, as noted by Dmcdevit's comment below and his protection of this talk page.
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
My account has been blocked as a 'sockpuppet' of "Bhaisaab". The Usercheck to justify this block suggests that I'm "likely" him, when actually all it proves is that I live in the same area as he does, and use the same DSL provider. The conclusion that I am a 'confirmed' sockpuppet of Bhaisaab is one that would require a considerable leap of 'bad faith', particularly given the editors I have been long in conflict against all know that I'm of a different ethnicity than Bhaisaab, and edit from a perspective altogether different from him. The admin "Rama's Arrow" has long been using his administrative powers to selectively block editors in a dispute by what side they argue from. He alleges my edits are "anti-Hindu" and "Pro-Islam", when nothing I've said or done has amounted to criticism of Hinduism as a religion, or promotion of Islam. I am not into theology, my interest in both articles was limited to history and the issue of human rights. He alleges my edits constitute 'disruption', when I am the only editor in those articles who follows WP policy in respect to WP:NPOV and WP:RS. He has used such differences of opinion as justification for blocks before. He's selectively silenced apparently Pakistani/Muslim editors, and placed exceptionally harsh extentions to their blocks when they strayed from his narrow road. His Hindutva activist friends however are inert, and in the very worst of cases he will restrict himself to advising them.
If an arbcom proceeding is needed for me to prove I'm not Bhaisaab, I'm willing to participate. Bhaisaab is supposedly a Pakistani or Iranian editor (I gather that from his talk page, etc), I'm a Bangladeshi. I can prove that, and my 'rivals' here are all aware of that. I have not edited articles on Pakistani history, which is Bhaisaab's forte. My involvment in editing Hindu-related articles stems entirely from my observing an extreme bias in the article Hinduism in Bangladesh. Any editor interested enough to dig deep and observe the conflict will see that the articles Persecution of Hindus and 2002 Gujarat Violence contain terribly biased content intentionally disfigured to present a skewed account of history.
Diffs pending.
MinaretDk 19:47, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
What the heck?How is it the evidence is clear that Rumps is Hkelkar,but no tag for him.This is so silly.No evidence.So everyone who edit wars with Rumps/Hkelkar is automatically a sock of Bhaisaab.So we have about half a dozen Muslim editors edit warring with Rumps/Hkelkar are they socks of Bhaisaab?--Nadirali نادرالی
- No, a technical report, Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/MinaretDk. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:57, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Apparently. Rumplestiltskin and Bakasuprman have violated every policy of Misplaced Pages, they've attacked editors and committed obvious acts of vandalism, but because the involved admins are sympathetic to their biases (ie fellow Indians/Wikiproject Hinduism members), those people are inert to administrative sanction. They get warnings after a career of attacks, Muslim editors get blocked without explicit reasons (eg Rama's Arrow THINKS your edits are disruptive or POV). Rama himself alleges I'm anti-Hindu/pro-Islam. Diffs please? Just because I don't take to Rumplystiltskin/Bakasuprman's rewriting of history to frame Muslims as deserving of the Gujarat Massacre, or I consider the treatment of untouchables in India as a form of persecution (the UN and HRW agree with me on that) as opposed to people who CHOSE their plight (the view Baka/Rumple are promoting) doesn't mean I'm anti-Hindu, and I've done nothing to suggest I'm pro-Islam. Does thinking that figures acknowleged by the US govt and human rights organizations deserves mention in the 2002 Gujarat Violence article constitute anti-Hindu bias? What's the definition of neutral then? Every admin I consulted on this ridiculous block against me has responded, most saying they're helpless to do anything and that it's up to the blocking admin. The blocking admin,User:Blnguyen, however chooses to ignore my e-mails and requests. Oh,he just happens to be another member of Project India.Is it a miracle that in a dispute involving content regarding recent Indian history, all the admins using force happen to be Indian, and a disproportionate degree of that force (all as far as I can see) is applied on those editors not promoting pro-Hindutva revisionism? Tell me again how Misplaced Pages is not supposed to be a battleground. MinaretDk 22:08, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
- The checkuser happens to show very close geographic proximity (within 8km), same company, same IP stats, etc, and "likely" is merely statistical and not dependent on perceptions due to editing patterns. This is in addition to the editing patterns of having the same interest in Indian religious articles. BS self-identified as half Iranian-Pakistani, but he edited Indian stuff (hindu-muslim) and Middle East stuff (Islam-Israel, Ahmadinejad stuff). You were suspected because for a new user you show an extremely good command of all the wiki-legal procedures and how arbitration and checkuser works. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:57, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
- As for the other stuff, being part of a WikiProject does not say anything about race or religion, so there's no need to brandish that here. Depite what a few people may think, I am neither Hindu nor Indian. A quick look at my userpage will show that my Indian article editing pertains to Indian cricketers and Buddhists. I have blocked you because it appears you are evading blocks, and have not made any content judgments or taken them into account. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:57, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
- You are welcome to seek further opinions. I am not the person who could verify if you have Bengali ability, and if so, what to make of this, as I do not know how common it is amongst aubcontinental people to speak many languages. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:58, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
- Misplaced Pages is full of retarded people. The least of those retards seem to get positions as administrators. If any one of them can understand Misplaced Pages policy in a month, I can do so in a week. I've been reading this website for a while now, long enough to know the basic ropes. I know about CheckUser because "Rama's Arrow" filed that request against me, and you subsequently posted that block template directing me to it on my user page. I know of Rumplestiltskin being Hkelkar's puppet from a comment left on my talk page, and then subsequent comments by a crowd of other editors. That Rumplestiltskin is the banned Hkelkar is Misplaced Pages's worst kept secret. How long does it take to read a page and figure out what "CheckUser" might mean? Someone else did the check, how do you verify that the person is within 8 miles of my location? Do you know how many Muslims live in New York city? How many of them use Verizon DSL? If your block is grounded on statistics alone, the "Likely" result of CheckUser doesn't CONFIRM anything, merely indicates closeness of two IP users. To draw the conclusion that two people geographically located in the roughly the same area are the same person, you'd need to use their editing habits as evidence. Bhaisaab is Iranian (not Pakistani as I thought) and his edit history shows interests in Islam-related and Iranian-related articles. I'm a Bangladeshi, and my edit history shows that too, along with some sympathy for the 2000 or so Muslims killed by Hindu fanatics in Gujarat, and criticism for Hindutva-fanaticism saturated revisionist history. As for the relevance of ethnicity on Misplaced Pages, Rama's Arrow has been using his bigotries against Pakistanis/Muslims as justification for his blocks against myself, and other users including NadirAli and User:unre4L. It's a bit late to lecture on leaving our personal identities at the door. Editors edit based on their personal biases, and admins administer on them. All this is obvious to anyone who compares Rama's treatment of Muslim Wikipedians with his treatment of Hindus where there's a conflict on the same articles and editors are guilty of the same violations. MinaretDk 04:17, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Let me atleast post on WP:ANI tommorrow and see what they say.--Nadirali نادرالی
- Evidence that this block is a sham is on Blnguyen's talk page. The person I'm supposedly a sock puppet of in conversing with him over my block. How many people use two distinctly different Verizon accounts in apparently two different geographic location. There's absolutely nothing left to justify this block. MinaretDk 06:04, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
- Huh, they're dynamic ones in the same region. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:07, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
- His is dynamic, as far as I can tell, mine is not. Are you sure they're of the same region? His IP looks considerably different from mine. I don't know much about deciphering IPs, but you need some evidence to support your assertion that his IP show's he's "within 8 miles" of me. MinaretDk 06:25, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
- Huh, they're dynamic ones in the same region. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:07, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't have any data. That's what the checkuser official told me. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:26, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
- I've spoken to Dmcdevit through e-mail, he basically said it was your call (ie the blocking admin) and all he was doing was giving information. Now you're dismissing your own judgement. You're the blocking admin, you made the call that I live within 8 miles of the location he's in. You made that presumption without ever seeing the actual numbers? You made the call that I am him. You can't back down now and put it on the guy who compared numbers. You took the opportunity to block me without reviewing whether the evidence against me was solid or not. You "assumed bad faith" and connected imaginary dots to conclude I am Bhaisaab. CheckUser said "Likely", in your mind you converted "Likely" into "Confirmed" and then blocked me. Go ahead and contact the CheckUser-capable admin and have him compare whether my ID's changed since I opened my account or since this block was put in place. Have him look at the IP on your talk page now. Don't pretend you're just some cog in the machinery, you're the blocking admin. Take responsibility for your fuck-ups. MinaretDk 06:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
- That's how Blnguyen operates. After he blocked me for saying Ahmadinejad is awesome to a "Jew" and later realized that Hkelkar is, in fact, Hindu he tried to make up other excuses and justifications for his block. 72.88.143.139 07:45, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
- I've spoken to Dmcdevit through e-mail, he basically said it was your call (ie the blocking admin) and all he was doing was giving information. Now you're dismissing your own judgement. You're the blocking admin, you made the call that I live within 8 miles of the location he's in. You made that presumption without ever seeing the actual numbers? You made the call that I am him. You can't back down now and put it on the guy who compared numbers. You took the opportunity to block me without reviewing whether the evidence against me was solid or not. You "assumed bad faith" and connected imaginary dots to conclude I am Bhaisaab. CheckUser said "Likely", in your mind you converted "Likely" into "Confirmed" and then blocked me. Go ahead and contact the CheckUser-capable admin and have him compare whether my ID's changed since I opened my account or since this block was put in place. Have him look at the IP on your talk page now. Don't pretend you're just some cog in the machinery, you're the blocking admin. Take responsibility for your fuck-ups. MinaretDk 06:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Post your IP address. 72.88.144.96 06:30, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
- I have a fixed IP, I can e-mail it to an admin. I'm not sure I'd want to share it here...I've asked Dmcdevit to do an IP check right now. We're editing at the same time, so he can verify that all my edits have been from a distinctly different IP than yours. MinaretDk 06:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Ok well good luck with that. Be careful with Bakaman. He goes on long rants about "Hkelkar sockpuppet fantasies." He did the same thing during the arbcom case and ended up embarassed as usual. 72.88.144.96 06:44, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
While I am not at liberty to reveal the specific IP evidence, I will say that MinaretDk's claims are false and "likely" indeed the correct result of the check. I'm protecting this page to prevent this abuse. Dmcdevit·t 08:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Bangladesh portal
Hi, I'd like to draw your attention to Bangladesh portal. I have tried to address the concerns in earlier peer review and checked the portal against Featured portal criteria. Based on this I think it is proper time to push for Featured Portal status for Bangladesh Portal, which will be an important milestone for WikiProject Bangladesh. But to achieve this I need help from you. Please participate in the on-going discussion on the talk page and give me your valuable inputs.-Arman Aziz 03:51, 3 August 2007 (UTC)