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	Here's a thought: Maybe we could set aside the Annie Lee Moss article for now, and see if we can have some sort of meaningful discussion on ]. The problem (at either article) has never been that there is any huge difference between what you and I want, but rather that we never reached the point of actually communicating. If, for a change, you could try to answer some simple questions I post on that article's talk page, we can have a discussion and perhaps make progress. If you can do that, then in as long as we're having a discussion I won't revert any edit you make. Let's try it. ] (]) 20:14, 11 March 2008 (UTC)		Here's a thought: Maybe we could set aside the Annie Lee Moss article for now, and see if we can have some sort of meaningful discussion on ]. The problem (at either article) has never been that there is any huge difference between what you and I want, but rather that we never reached the point of actually communicating. If, for a change, you could try to answer some simple questions I post on that article's talk page, we can have a discussion and perhaps make progress. If you can do that, then in as long as we're having a discussion I won't revert any edit you make. Let's try it. ] (]) 20:14, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

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			A response from you is eagerly awaited on ] and ]. ] (]) 17:04, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

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Location

I'm in the DC area (in fact, I just signed up for the DC meetup on December 9th). -- John Broughton (♫♫) 19:13, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

No, haven't eaten at Marrakesh. My wife and I have only been in the DC area for about a year and a half; she works downtown (actually, not to far from that restaurant) but we live in Silver Spring, so we don't eat in the city that often. Can't say that we're into Moroccan food, possibly because of the belly dancers, possibly because the last time we ate at such a restaurant, years ago (in Northern California) a waiter spilled several glasses of water on my wife's plate of food. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 19:37, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Greatest ever

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Andrew Dasburg

On 4 November, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Andrew Dasburg, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--GeeJo ⁄_(c) • 17:08, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Congrats on the DYK! The nomination was my idea, but the credit for the creation of the article belongs to you. Alansohn 20:09, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Very nice.Kevin Borland, Esq. 10:16, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Deletion_review/Log/2007_November_6#Cold_feet

Step 3 of a DRV says "Inform the administrator who deleted the page by adding the following on their user talk page: {{subst:DRVNote|PAGE_NAME}}". Please bother to do so in future. Neil ☎ 16:15, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Access date

I've tried several different variations of the date in this citation and they all come up as either a redlink or as it did here . Do you have any other ideas of how to fix it? Wildhartlivie 16:57, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Page names

I appreciate the work your doing cleaning up and improving biographies. However I'm a bit mystified by some renamings. You moved "Glenda Green" to "Glenda Allen Green" despite every source calling her just "Glenda Green". You moved "Edward Weston" to "Edward Henry Weston", again despite that being a very rare usage. I think that WP:NC and WP:NCP call on us to use the most common name. When there's a conflict it's best to append a qualifier (for example "Edward Weston (photographer)" rather than adding in unsed middle names. Am I wrong in believing that's standard practice? ·:· Will Beback ·:· 22:56, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, I move the article name already for you, since the above user is right about the naming convention. Hope you don't mind. Chris! _ct 02:23, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

References

Just a friendly note. Your reference for The Twomps, Oakland, California in East Oakland, Oakland, California is not a good one, since it requires people to log in. So people without an account might not be able to look at it. Chris! _ct 02:17, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

image query

Hi, I am wanting to move Image:Walsh 033.jpg to commons so that it can be used on s:Author:Charles Francis Walsh. However, I dont see any evidence that it has been licensed under CC on the mentioned source http://earlyaviators.com . Could you clarify please.. John Vandenberg 10:08, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I will ask Ernie, the copyright holder to forward a letter to me again. Sadly I lost my hotmail archive, when Microsoft deleted my account for not logging in often enough. I lost 10 years of emails.

Genealogy wiki

Check your watchlist on the genealogy wiki. Now that I've played around with Misplaced Pages, I finally understand the powerfulness of the Wiki concept. Made some contributions. Will expand.Kevin Borland, Esq. 10:15, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

An application of BIO

I got involved in Mitch Clem at AfD. Can you look at the references and let me know whether you think I'm right on his notability. He is not an important topic, but this illustrates an important application of the BIO and Notability rules. I think that the Minnesota Public Radio spot is just about enough, then the mention in PC World, while not in-depth clearly is saying this person is noticed. The other comixtalk source is marginal, but I think that it adds to credibilty. It appeares that Comixtalk has a blog section, but where he is covered is more akin to an online magazine in a scheduled and dated issue. Cheers! --Kevin Murray 15:39, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Clem

Please hold off on restoring the note until we can talk a bit. At minimum these are creating confusion in the AfD. --Kevin Murray 17:08, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I have mixed feelings on referencing to a subject's site. In this case, I think that it is over done. Since we do not allow autobiography, there is a fine line when we reference to autobiographies. I don't want to prohibit referencing to the sites of subjects, but how do we set objective standards? --Kevin Murray 17:13, 7 November 2007 (UTC) (1956 - ?)

I'm not a big advocate for prohibition of autobio ofr referece, just see limits as appropriate. If you read throught the AfD on CLem though there is opposition. I'll read through WP:AUTO. WP:N requires independence for establishing notability, but that does no specifically effect the references.

A proble that I have seen at AfD is that through either cunning or ignorance, proponents for deletion attack the weak references to cloud the strength of the good references. In defending article against AfD in the past, I've found that removing the weak references gives an article a better chance of surviving the AfD as the focus moves from red herrings to logic. WP is not a perfect world, but off the golf course there is no perfect world, and on the course there are few perfect strokes. --Kevin Murray 17:39, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Richard, please take a look at the section which I added to the bottom of the AfD at Mitch Clem. I'm not seeing any guideline to refute your position. However, I do think that we can over footnote to obscure the forrest with trees. --Kevin Murray 18:07, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

PS: I will revert my removal of the notes but put them into a separate "Notes" section which segrates these from references. --Kevin Murray 18:07, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

In Remembrance...

--nat 17:15, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Comixtalk

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Hope you don't take this personal. But I think it has no content. Sorry. Chris! _ct 00:45, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks for saving the article!

Hello, Mr. Norton, and thanks for attempting to save my article! For that, I give you this barnstar:

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		For tirelessly improving the article and saving it from deletion, I owe you one! So, here it is, the Tireless Contributor Barnstar! --Go od sh op ed 02:28, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Gerontology Research Group

I've been following that afd also, it all seems very heated. Since it was only nominated 3 days ago, maybe, just maybe a consensus can still be reached, here's hoping anyways. -- RMHED (talk) 20:29, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

== Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Ronn Torossian==

Quote from bottom of AFD - "Comment I agree with Agavtouch that one needs only to match just a few of the users who voted Keep here with the client list of 5W Public Relations which is listed on Misplaced Pages as adverts. It is a sad sham. Also transparent spin tactics used by the employees of 5W Public Relations to attempt to divert attention and attack those who have voted delete from the many gross and documented violations of SPAM and NPOV committed by Torossian and his paid employees. Lastly, please note how Torossian & Co. continue to delete any mention on this article of the New York Post news story illustrating malice and bad faith created by Torossian against the NYC PR industry. Not very objective. Heathspic (talk) 17:12, 21 November 2007 (UTC)"

Perhaps you can add User:Alansohn's Checkuser piece to the delete page, I am not certain User:Heathspic and User:Agavtouch are aware of it.

I come to you realizing here too that maybe I should no longer be involved, but this has become more of a circus and an exhibit into Wiki tolerance. I invite you to scrutinize any of my edits. While placing an article about something I have involvement with may be seen by some as a blatant Wiki violation, I also know that many articles are started by people who have deep knowledge, hobby interest, or first hand experience with a topic, even if there is no financial interest, it is a closeness that drives the piece. If done right and notability is there, there is nothing wrong with it as I see it. Being open about it helps too. I know that these three parties to the deletion are a person with little Wiki concern and a huge axe to grind. I have edited and added articles for a year and a half on many topics, most of which I am familiar with and have researched. Thank you. Juda S. Engelmayer (talk) 18:14, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Copy edit

I copy edited Walter O'Malley and renominated it. I think you could improve your GAC success with a few minor pointers. You do excellent research. I’ll throw out 2 grammatical pointers and 2 WP:MOS pointers:

<ref></ref> tags should follow a punctuation with no space between and follow each other with no space between
Alphabetize your categories

Don’t split your noun verb constructions. I.E., Then, he went is preferred to He then went.
Another big improvement might be found at Conjunction junction. Think about your independent and dependent phrases. Independent phrases are joined either by a semicolon or a comma and a conjunction. However, if they are not both independent just a conjunction is necessary. I.e, either “He did this and that.” or “He did this, and he did that.”

I would be glad to copy edit another of your articles that has not yet made GA. Who is the most important aviator on your list or the article you think could benefit most from a copy edit?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 22:21, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Will look at Raoul Wallenberg. My example before was not that good. Actually, a better example is either “He did this first and did that afterwards.” or “He did this first, and he did that afterwards.” This is a better example because the previous example was a list of two things versus two independent phrases. This is an independent and dependent phrase versus two independents. Basically, see if a phrase has both a noun and a verb. If so, it is independent and needs to be conjoined accordingly with other independent phrases. If it is verb lacking a subject it relies on a subject from another phrase and is thus dependent. The lower of the two edits here is a good example. The one at the top sounds incorrect because whiile is an awkward conjunction. I may even be wrong, but I am going with the conjunction rule as I understand it. Anyways, my advice to you would be to pay attention to where your independent phrases are when you write and you will probably seem like a better writer. Anyways, I am off to look at Wallenberg.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 16:05, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

That page is pretty well conjoined. I am going to have to go back and look at my GMAT prep book to remember some more complicated referent rules to do a better copy edit on that page, but will do so in the next few weeks. I am going to brush up on my copyediting and this page is a great challenge. I will do what I can with the rules I remember right now.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 16:18, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Back to O'Malley. What kind of engineer was he. Did he operate a subway train or was he engaged in engineering?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 16:41, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

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Raoul Wallenberg

In all I have spent about 2 hours with Raoul Wallenberg. I think that it is destined for WP:GAR. It requires editorial skills I do not excel at to retain its WP:GA. It needs someone to chop out things or track down proper refs for large chunks of unsourced text. It needs to have several {{fact}} tags added. I had volunteered for an article that is grammatical duress. I am not good at tracking down other people's sources. Therefore, I mostly work on articles from redlink or stub class. I can spend more time with the article, but my efforts will not save it. If you have anything that is more in need of grammatical repair, I could probably help in a way that would more likely lead to a promotion. However, I am willing to stick with this article.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 22:17, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

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Coot dab page

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Fictional universe AFDs

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Handbra

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Raoul Wallenberg

Hi, this article was a wreck. I didn't have much time, but I tried to make some fairly radical changes to bring it back to a decent state, after a series of edits by Attila Lajos (who wrote his PhD thesis on Wallenberg ) that gave the article a rather non-neutral point of view. I hope that I can draw some attention to it so that you or someone else can give it the time it deserves. –Joke 21:43, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the quick response. It is not only that his English isn't good, but that he is in fact making the argument, in the article, that Wallenberg's importance in the Hungarian Holocaust rescue is vastly overstated. This diverges radically from most of the published information I am able to find about Wallenberg on the web. Disregarding whether his edits count as original research, and leaving aside the fact that I don't have any idea what the truth of the matter is, but if Lajos's points are to be included in the article at all, they must be presented in contrast to the conventional viewpoint, rather than replace it in toto. –Joke 21:51, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

BK Articles

Thank you taking the time to properly cite those articles. I originally cleaned them up on my way through the Burger King articles and only cited them as warranted, in other words when someone bitched. I have been going through the main articles because they need so much work.

Jeremy (Jerem43 08:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC))

Well spoken defense of these articles and I'll reiterate Jeremy's thanks for helping out with the articles. Are you interested in editing food and drink articles in general, or is this something that you just noticed passing through the AFD list?--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 22:34, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

That's interesting because before I went back to school to get my BBA in hospitality management, I almost decided to go a different direction and go for the food science program at Rutgers. I finally came to my senses and realized I love the hospitality, business and cuisine sides of the food industry too much. I've actually taken classes at both CIA campuses, but mostly I visit the Hyde Park campus as it is closer to home. I did live in California at one point though, and at that time Napa Valley was closer to home. One of the reasons I asked you about your interest as well, was that I was going to invite you to come help us over at WikiProject Food and Drink as ever more so now, you seem to have quite a bit of knowledge that could help us out quite a bit. Well I need to get back to term papers, so hopefully we will talk more soon.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 21:29, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

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WP:GAR#Raoul_Wallenberg

I thought I would give you a heads up on WP:GAR#Raoul_Wallenberg.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 22:39, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Userfying articles on AFD

Hi Richard. I noticed you copy and pasted Futurama articles that were on their way to being deleted into various user spaces. You must not copy and paste articles into userspace. Doing so loses the page history, and thus the authors of the content. The page or any text from it cannot be used again, as it is in violation of GFDL. If you wish pages to be userfied, then request it from the deleting admin, or from DRV, following deletion. At that point they can be restored, moved (not copy & pasted) to userspace, and the redirects removed. This retains the history, thus ensuring the content can be merged into appropriate articles. Neil ☎ 10:55, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Richard, there is no rule against userfying articles - what you were doing was not userfying, as you had not included the history of the article. See WP:USERFY - cut and pasting the text of an article violates GFDL as the article history is lost, this is why userfying usually means "move", not "cut and paste". If you really feel you have to cut and paste (not advisable), then as per WP:USERFY#Cut_and_paste_userification, you need to also cut and paste the history. You also failed to remove fair use screenshots from the userspace copies you made, breaking WP:FU. The GFDL states all information is freely available but attribution must be retained. By breaking the chain of attribution (losing the article history), you are breaching GFDL. It's not a big deal, just bear it in mind in future. Neil ☎ 15:29, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

If it violates GFDL, every use outside of Misplaced Pages violates GFDL, since they do not include a comprehensive edit history. Can you point to the part of the GFDL license that requires the edit history to be preserved. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 15:32, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure on the details of the GFDL, but you could export the article (before deletion) then upload that file somewhere to serve the part of attribution, even if the original file is deleted on Misplaced Pages. However, it might just be easier to ask that someone move the page itself so that you can work on it, which many admins are willing to do. -- Ned Scott 23:54, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Reply

Hi, I re-added your comment. I reverted your edit because you restored comments Angela had removed. Cheers,Je t Lover (Report a mistake) 23:13, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. Thanks, and happy editing! Cheers,Je t Lover (Report a mistake) 23:22, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Uploading an image on Misplaced Pages

Dear Richard, If I upload an image on Misplaced Pages for an established article, I notice that I must cite a rationale for it--or else it gets deleted within 7 days. What kind of rationale is OK in your view for one of those fairly obscure articles for which there are few on-line photos? For instance, you downloaded an excellent photo of Pharaoh Setnakht here: . Would your rationale for uploading the image be OK today. It feels as if Misplaced Pages has tightened its restrictions on the use of images somewhat. Just asking for some advice. Thank You, Leoboudv (talk) 20:42, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Dear Richard, Thanks for the example of WP Fair Use. It is an excellent rationale. And thank you for downloading the photo of pharaoh Setnakht. Its almost impossible to get an image of this shortlived pharaoh who ruled Egypt for only 4 years on the web. And yet, he founded the 20th dynasty in Egypt and was an important person in Ancient Egyptian history--which is one of my hobbies. Fabian from Canada Leoboudv (talk) 22:42, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

PS: Is Misplaced Pages really cracking down hard on new photos--or just on those photos with no given rationale? I notice that someone named Betacommand comes down hard on people who list photos on Misplaced Pages. In my view, if there is an established article on a certain subject or personality, a photo should be OK provided it is a single photo only. Fabian Leoboudv (talk) 01:21, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

BrownHairedGirl and Bad Faith Nominations of Supercentenarians

I don't want to seem rude but, but these look like Bad Faith nominations. A basic Google search found many references. It appears that you were angry and retaliated by nominating all the articles for deletion without performing the minimal due diligence to see which ones actually could be referenced. For example see: Flossie Page, Sarah_Knauss and Mary Electa Bidwell, all have ample references. I don't know how you couldn't find them, unless revenge was your motivation. Cheers. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 22:11, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

If you don't want to appear rude, then learn a little bit of manners and don't rush to alleging bad faith and using boldface type to make unfounded accusations of selective research just because you found some reproductions of articles which, if verified, could support a claim to notability (as yoiu will see from my comments, you reference lists are less impressive than they appear: two of your refs for Flossie Page include no links, which is very odd if you found then on google as you claim, and your refs for Sarah Knauss are mostly either duplicates of the same wire stories or copyvio reproductions).

I nominated dozens of articles for which I had not found references, and most of them remain unreferenced. Well done finding a few snippets, but you really ought to learn the difference between someone missing a few links and an absence of checking. As I have stated umpteen times, my preference with most of the many articles on non-notable oldies would have been to merge them, and it was only when the mergers were reverted while notability was still not established that I brought them to AfD to allow for a consensus decision on their fate in those cases where I did not find references (I did find refs for example for Virginia Muise, and added them to the article). As you will see if you look at the many other nominations, most of them have not so far been improve to meet notability thresholds.

Now, unless you can learn some manners and stop making personal attacks, stay off my talk page. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:44, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I read this which gives the appearance that you are acting out of anger and frustration, and were nominating multiple articles:

"I have objection at all to unmerger if notability has been established per WP:BIO, but if you persist in simply reverting the merger without improving the articles to meet WP:BIO, then I will simply save myself the time and nominate them at AfD. ... Your call. ... It's a pity that you prefer to unmerge the articles rather than improve them, but both are now AFDed." I also chastised Katia for her haste and retaliatory nominations. errors are made when decisions are made in haste and in anger. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 06:45, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

- Norton, which bit of "stay off my talk page" is that you are unable to comprehend? Let me spell it out more simply: "do not post on my talk page again".
  As I have explained umpteen times, I nominated for AfD when merger was rejected, and (as you ought to know) at AfD the community can decide whether to merge, keep or delete. My preference in all cases was for the articles to be improved if possible, which is precisely why I was mergeing then rather than going straight to AfD, but if that option is rejected I prefer deletion to keeping under-referenced permastubs. You may disagree on that choice, but it's an unfounded personal attack to repeatedly characterise that as revenge. When the editors with expertise in the field insist that an article with a directory entry is so notable that it should not be merged, then AfD is the only way to settle the issue. If you read my AfD nominations, you will see that on many of them I explicitly advocated merger, thereby risking rebuke from the people who deplore a AfD nominator making a !vote.
  Sadly, you assumed bad faith, and made accusations rather than asking questions; you proceeded to put "bad faith" in bold type on several AfD pages, all because you didn't bother to ask about my intentions and preferred to assume that asking the community to decide the fate of articles for which notability was not established is a form of revenge. You could have asked for an explanation, but you didn't, so please now stay off my talk page until you withdraw all your allegations of bad faith from the AfDs pages across which you have rudely splattered them. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:05, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
If you don't want me to continue conversing on your talk page, then discontinue the conversation. I think all that needs to be said on the topic, has been said. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 07:18, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- I don't know what leads this man to assume that he is entitled to have the last word on my talk page.
  Let's try spelling out very simply: Norton, stay off my talk page until you withdraw all your allegations of bad faith. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:27, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

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Betsy Baker

I noticed that you nominated James Henry Brett Jr. for deletion review, and I think you may be interested in the Betsy Baker nom. Oh, and I know thatBHG has been harassing you; she's done the same to me recently. '']'' (talk) 00:27, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

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Hi, the rules for dab pages say that there should be a blue link on every record, so you needed to link to clam ... or, as I found by a bit of search, to Soft-shell clam. PamD (talk) 08:43, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

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You redirected this article which currently has an open AFD discussion here. If you believe a consensus has been reached please close the AFD conversation. Thank you Gtstricky 19:09, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

And I'll add on that note, don't you perhaps think a better redirect would have been to Suntanning, as it was the subject, not the adjective, of the article? Keeper | 76 22:16, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

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Removing a warning about copyright violation without comment or reply

I am disturbed by your removal, without comment or reply, of my warning to you about the copyright violation you added to Misplaced Pages in March 2007. I respectfully request a response to this. What were you thinking adding text from an arbitrary website without any permission, and have you done it elsewhere? JesseW, the juggling janitor 04:37, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

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George Poe

I'm delighted to see someone taking such an interest in an article I started. However, is Mary Elizabeth Ellicott Poe (1874-?) really his sister? If so, surely she's not in the 1860 census!--Bedivere (talk) 18:10, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks.--Bedivere (talk) 20:21, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

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George Poe

Looks good. I still find "Mary Elizabeth Ellicott Poe (1874-?)" odd; it seems unlikely that his parents would have had another child when they were over 60. Why does she have the same name as her sisters? I suppose they could have died. Since Arthur Ostrander was born in 1895, he couldn't have been 10 in 1907.--Bedivere (talk) 12:59, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

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Sometimes I really appreciate the views of an inclusionist

So would you think that the objections being raised towards Nikki Catsouras at WP:DYK are invalid? Do you think this article should even be included at all? I think it should due to media coverage over a significant period of time.--h i s _{r e s e a r c h} 22:42, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

See discussion here if you're interested.--h i s _{r e s e a r c h} 15:29, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

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Apparently, I did not clean up the article so well and the reviewer has another round of comments. I think we have another seven days from yesterday. You may be able to get involved before the time expires with your specially ordered NYT articles.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 22:51, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for getting this article going.

This user helped promote Walter O'Malley to good article status.

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Abusing the truth

Hi Richard,

I am tired of User:Abuse truth. I asked not to revert but to discuss in talk:Indictment: The McMartin Trial and he reverted nonetheless and merely posted the same nonsense in that talk he had posted in a previous edit summary.

I've left an identical note to Arthur Rubin. What can be done with this behavior? I mean it. How is it possible that as to date the WP community has been unable to ban this blatant pov pushing of the most grotesque conspiracy theories with no disciplinary action whatsoever?

—Cesar Tort 05:37, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

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I removed the speedy on this, since it did claim notability, and i rewrote the whole thing to remove the extensive copyvio. I'm not the least sure how it would do at AfD, but that;'s another matter. Are there any published papers? Are there any references to his patents? DGG (talk) 23:03, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

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March 2008

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Van Nest - Weston Burying Ground, Bound Brook

Why does it say Bound Brook when this cemetery is nowhere near Bound Brook? Perhaps it should just be called Van Nest - Weston Burying Ground. -24.149.203.34 (talk) 23:58, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Members and associates of the United States National Academy of Sciences

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WS Collaboration project

G'day, this weeks Wikisource collaboration project is G. W. Bush. If you have some time this week, it would be great to have an extra hand, even if you only have time to identify some important works that should be transcribed. John Vandenberg (talk) 03:46, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

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Possibly unfree McGhee image

Richard, the image you added back has likely copyright problems; James W. McGhee.jpg; so I nominated it for deletion. Of course, if you know who the photographer, was, and can add info to fix it, please do. Dicklyon (talk) 03:10, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

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Annie Lee Moss

If you can't explain and justify your edits, then you are admitting that they are meaningless and unjustifiable. Continuing to make edits that you admit are meaningless and unjustifiable is, shall we say, not the most intelligent behavior imaginable. RedSpruce (talk) 01:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Continuing to make disputed edits while refusing to engage in a discussion about those edits is a form of disruptive behavior, and will result in your being blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. RedSpruce (talk) 10:14, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

You are a complete idiot and moron. Please take your stupidity to some other article. Thank you. RedSpruce (talk) 15:59, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Mary Stalcup Markward -- fresh start?

Here's a thought: Maybe we could set aside the Annie Lee Moss article for now, and see if we can have some sort of meaningful discussion on Mary Stalcup Markward. The problem (at either article) has never been that there is any huge difference between what you and I want, but rather that we never reached the point of actually communicating. If, for a change, you could try to answer some simple questions I post on that article's talk page, we can have a discussion and perhaps make progress. If you can do that, then in as long as we're having a discussion I won't revert any edit you make. Let's try it. RedSpruce (talk) 20:14, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Awaiting your response

A response from you is eagerly awaited on Talk:Annie Lee Moss and Talk:Mary Stalcup Markward. RedSpruce (talk) 17:04, 12 March 2008 (UTC)