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Who

Who were you before The Tutor? — Rlevse • Talk • 12:41, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

WP knows. The Tutor (talk) 13:31, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

3RR and Probation

Hi The Tutor. I guess you're aware of the homeopathy probation, as you have edited pages under the probation, and the 3RR, as you made a reference to it. You should be a bit more careful then if you're aware of these things not to break them. You've clearly exceeded the 3RR on water memory. WP isn't great at facts, unfortunately, but when people intentionally mislead by rewriting sentences to support their POV against what is supported by the references, well eventually people remove it. This isn't an attack or vandalism, it's how wikipedia works. Consider this a 3RR and Homeophathy probation warning. Yours truly, JeffS (btw: your edits were the "edit warring" and misleading ones, along with the usual suspects) --91.50.82.108 (talk) 16:20, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

The attempts to bully me off of WP will not succeed. You should read the references concerned and then you may understand that the reasons for the anonymous edits were based on lack of knowledge and were misleading, as is what is left now. If the text I put in is considered POV then it can be edited to remove it, but at the moment the text remaining is clearly false. The Tutor (talk) 17:38, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

No one is attempting to "bully" you off of Misplaced Pages. We just want you to learn the ropes and to edit in a collaborative environment, which means allowing the inclusion of ideas you may even find reprehensible, as long as they are done according to Misplaced Pages policies. This isn't an ordinary website. "The Truth" has its place here, but not in the usual sense. You need to read this:

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-- Fyslee / talk 17:59, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Are you speaking for that group of anonymous editors when you make your statement? You seem to be! As it happens, I never baulk at including ideas, but I do wish them to be covered by good references and science not overblown opinions. The Tutor (talk) 18:09, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I am speaking for myself and (obviously vicariously) many other users who have had dealings with you. Are you denying that you are another user? Your evasiveness and deletion of the comment above don't exactly engender confidence in your intentions. You are welcome to start up again under this new user name. Fine and good. But evasiveness or deception can get you blocked. Seeking to avoid the scrutiny of fellow editors is forbidden here. We try to play above board. This is your chance to come clean. If you aren't the other user, then fine and good, but if you are deceiving us, woe be unto you. -- Fyslee / talk 18:20, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, frankly I don't care if this is a new account, but you have gone to ridiculous lengths to try to hide from the fact that you are the other user. Not only did you both edit water memory, homeopathy, and the Mpemba effect, but you also edited a little known article about ice VII. Plus you appeared soon after he had his page wiped. So there is no real reason to hide. You would be much better served by reading and learning policy than by creating a new account every time you feel the need to "stop the bullying". Also, your name is quite disingenuous as you appear to have quite a high opinion about yourself. Baegis (talk) 18:51, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Maybe you would find reading Misplaced Pages:Disruptive user interesting. The Tutor (talk) 19:44, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Is that some kind of admission? Are you saying that you are a disruptive user? You do seem to have disrupted the water memory page. If you aren't him just say so, we're not going to go through the other 6 billion possibilities (I mean it's obvious you aren't dullman). There is nothing wrong in getting a new account, but doing it this way seems a bit disingenuous and misleading (if you are him). I'd hardly describe myself as an anonymous editor either (my name is James). Just my 2cents. --Partyoffive (talk) 22:15, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I note you use the 'we' word. Are there 5 of you? The Tutor (talk) 22:35, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, I looked in the mirror and it did look a bit like there were two of me this morning, but then I found my glasses. By "we" I was referring to the other 3 people (four if you count Whig) who have commented on your WP accounts. You have reminded me of a favorite quote: "I am Legion, for we are many" - I've always found that very spooky. Regarding Whig's comment below, I'm not trying to out you - I have no idea who you are in real life - I'd just like to know your previous/other WP account names to allay certain suspicions. Whether he was indeed the poly lecturer by the same name isn't interesting to me. I hope you understand, and I apologise if you misunderstood my attempt at wit previously (I found it funny that you drew attention to disruptive editing). Anyways, have a nice day. How many of you have there been? ;) --Partyoffive (talk) 08:46, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Folks, listen up. The Tutor says he is not the other user. If he were, there is no rule that says someone can't choose to abandon one account and use another one, and it is extremely rude and uncivil to out them without some good reason. If someone believes that The Tutor used multiple accounts to back one another, for instance, as occurred with the RDOlivaw/DrEightyEight case which someone tried to link this to, then there might be cause for some kind of complaint. The linking of this account with those is particularly absurd since The Tutor appears to be on the opposite side of the homeopathy issue from those accounts/that user. Furthermore, having read a few of The Tutor's comments on Talk:Homeopathy, my own opinion is that this seems to be a different person than the named individual (who I have also previously interacted with mainly on Talk:Water memory). How about assuming good faith and being welcoming to a new user. And with that, I'd like to say to The Tutor that I do appreciate your contributions that I have seen and hope you have not become discouraged by the harassment. —Whig (talk) 09:52, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Question to The Tutor. Would you like to request WP:Oversight? These users who have attempted to out your real name here may have been mistaken in their identification, or not, it does not matter as a matter of privacy in my opinion. —Whig (talk) 00:25, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Whig. Thank you very much for your concern. I am very sorry that you have been drawn into all this. I did ask Rlevse for help but he was unable to AGF on my part and he CU'd me. I am still here (for the moment) in spite of the feeding frenzy and am willing to await events. The Tutor (talk) 13:44, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Pertinent to you

You may wish to comment here. —Whig (talk) 07:31, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

FYI. —Whig (talk) 05:51, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Cooling is heat transfer

Cooling is a heat transfer effect. ScienceApologist (talk) 16:08, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Supercooling is not; it is a phenomena related to crystallisation. The Tutor (talk) 16:57, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Crystallisation only happens in heat transfer situations. See Third Law of Thermodynamics, for example. ScienceApologist (talk) 18:44, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Of course it does, but that is not the scientific point here, as I think you know. But if you do not then you should ask someone that does. The Tutor (talk) 19:46, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Start an RfC. I'll wait. ScienceApologist (talk) 20:09, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

No. I will await the views of other scientists. If no-one can be bothered to give a view, then the accuracy of that page clearly does not matter to anyone and it is not worth me worrying about any more. The Tutor (talk) 20:22, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

WP:COI

Your recent edit here and your addition to the discussion of the journal "Homeopathy" on the water memory page could be construed as a conflict of interest. In the first case it may be better to ask for someone to update the page on the talk page, and in the latter you should either declare whether you have an interest or not, if you do decide to join in such a discussion. You should still declare any interest on the water memory page or strike your comments. ηΒπ 76.4.223.205 (talk) 21:33, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I reverted the link you added, as noted above by the anon. Per WP:EL, links to personal websites are not allowed. Baegis (talk) 21:40, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I apologise if these edits are COI. I honestly did not believe they were (the one above was correcting a dead url put there by another editor to its legitimate replacement), but will take note of your comments. The Tutor (talk) 10:00, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate your editing, and I particularly appreciate your knowledge and your referencing. Because you are new to wikipedia, I want to alert you to the fact that I have found that many anonymous editors participating in homeopathy articles are illegally editing here. They are open proxies, such as 76.4.223.205 who is now blocked. Some editors try to intimidate you, as I think they have done above claiming COI, without any evidence that there is a direct COI. As for Baegis, he has been following me around, even though he probably knows that wiki-stalking is not allowed or encouraged. I'm wondering if you have found that he just happens to begin editing where you are editing, even at idiosyncratic articles. DanaUllman 04:37, 18 March 2008 (UTC)