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| :That is simply a partial and wikilawyering interpretation of how we work, and an extreme inclusionist approach. Notability is also important, BLP is also important, NPOV is also important (though the latter is not pasrticularly relevant here). Thanks, ] 00:21, 24 March 2008 (UTC) | :That is simply a partial and wikilawyering interpretation of how we work, and an extreme inclusionist approach. Notability is also important, BLP is also important, NPOV is also important (though the latter is not pasrticularly relevant here). Thanks, ] 00:21, 24 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
| :: Right all are important, but it isn't easy to make a claim about a piece of data that would a) normally be in a biography b) not usually considered a piece of private data c) is in multiple reliable sources that are easily googlable and d) is a data point about unanmbiguously notable individual like Murphy (and yes we have a community consensus for that) e) the individual has made it clear that he is just as unhappy if there is a biography of him at all regarldess of the information level f) he is acting in manifestly bad faith. ] (]) 00:25, 24 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
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If you look here, Murphy is one of eight producers for natural born killers. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 03:52, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- Do you understand the difference between a producer (Murphy) and "executive producers" and "associate producers"? (Film_producer#Types of producers is a reasonable overview) WjBscribe 03:59, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- Well there are three producers for that film. Murphy is one of them. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 04:06, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- The article doesn't seem to claim that he was the sole producer - I'm not sure what you're disputing... WjBscribe 04:22, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- The source says that Murphy "launched his career with a bang by producing Quentin Tarantino and Oliver Stone's controversial 1994 movie "Natural Born Killers,". Firstly, lauching your carreer with a bang and rising to prominence aren't the same thing. Secondly, the source seems to indicate that he was the sole producers hence it is dubious as to how much of a "bang" his career was launched. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 04:26, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- Well I would point out that its only being used to source the statement that he rose to prominence due to Natural Born Killers - which is true. Also, the news source "Reuters/Hollywood Reporter" is rather more reliable than imbd (which, like Misplaced Pages, is user edited). If they view him as being the main producer, they're a reliable source for that... WjBscribe 04:30, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- The source says that Murphy "launched his career with a bang by producing Quentin Tarantino and Oliver Stone's controversial 1994 movie "Natural Born Killers,". Firstly, lauching your carreer with a bang and rising to prominence aren't the same thing. Secondly, the source seems to indicate that he was the sole producers hence it is dubious as to how much of a "bang" his career was launched. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 04:26, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- The article doesn't seem to claim that he was the sole producer - I'm not sure what you're disputing... WjBscribe 04:22, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- Well there are three producers for that film. Murphy is one of them. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 04:06, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Birth place
Found some sources for the inclusion of this piece. Regards, NonvocalScream (talk) 23:31, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- I don't think the real issue is whether or not he was born in New York but whether we should include it anyway now we can indeed source it. I would argue that we shouldn't include it on privacy grounds, I believe in this case we should try not to include any personal information and focus exclusively on his professional career, which this is not a part of. We already make clear he is American in the opening. Thanks, SqueakBox 23:47, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- Strongly disagree; the way we judge if something should be included is if reliable sources see fit to mention it. JoshuaZ (talk) 00:17, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
- That is simply a partial and wikilawyering interpretation of how we work, and an extreme inclusionist approach. Notability is also important, BLP is also important, NPOV is also important (though the latter is not pasrticularly relevant here). Thanks, SqueakBox 00:21, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
- Right all are important, but it isn't easy to make a claim about a piece of data that would a) normally be in a biography b) not usually considered a piece of private data c) is in multiple reliable sources that are easily googlable and d) is a data point about unanmbiguously notable individual like Murphy (and yes we have a community consensus for that) e) the individual has made it clear that he is just as unhappy if there is a biography of him at all regarldess of the information level f) he is acting in manifestly bad faith. JoshuaZ (talk) 00:25, 24 March 2008 (UTC)