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(undent) I don't understand why Keilana feels that it's okay to delete one cabal and not another. Who is fit to judge this? Not me. I also think the decision to delete was much more calculated. Deleting the BRC for example, and citing IAR is the same as doing it to any other cabal, but for some odd reason, the BRC was intact! Could it be that it would have upset certain members of the wiki, as opposed to deleting cabals that consist of new users? Talk about CREEPy - one admin feeling fit enough to judge which cabals should go and which should stay - that's beyond bold, that's a complex. ] ] 01:33, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
(undent) I don't understand why Keilana feels that it's okay to delete one cabal and not another. Who is fit to judge this? Not me. I also think the decision to delete was much more calculated. Deleting the BRC for example, and citing IAR is the same as doing it to any other cabal, but for some odd reason, the BRC was intact! Could it be that it would have upset certain members of the wiki, as opposed to deleting cabals that consist of new users? Talk about CREEPy - one admin feeling fit enough to judge which cabals should go and which should stay - that's beyond bold, that's a complex. ] ] 01:33, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
:FWIW, I didn't delete the BRC because its members were actually productive, and not spending 95% of their wiki-time messing with it. I've also started a deletion review on the matter, it's what's needed now. ]<nowiki>|</nowiki><sup>]</sup> 01:36, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
:FWIW, I didn't delete the BRC because its members were actually productive, and not spending 95% of their wiki-time messing with it. I've also started a deletion review on the matter, it's what's needed now. ]<nowiki>|</nowiki><sup>]</sup> 01:36, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
::Unfortunately deletion is not subjective. Speedy deletion is even more concise, because it requires no consensus but hard and fast rules. If you are going to defend your actions by saying that your deletion had anything to do with the productivity of members, you would be heading in the wrong direction. Speedy deletions is not at the discretion of the administrator, it is based on solid criteria, regardless of who created the article, edits the article, or participates in the article. We are talking about pages you deleted, not editors. ] ] 01:48, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
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O, hai, Jack Merridew, is that you?
Why are you upset? What did I do?
Was it something I said, or something I did?
Was a comment of mine a way to offend?
Was it deletions or blocks?
Did I warn one of your socks?
Upsetting you was not my intention,
But while you're here I might as well mention;
And I hope this isn't too crass,
But get off my page, you look like an ass.
-- :D Lara❤Love19:42, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
I don't think it's getting more fun... it's actually getting redundant. I mean, I write, ya know? But I don't write the same shit over and over again. Srsly. Can I get a sequel or something? Like, it should follow up with how the mentally challenged attacker managed to give me teh gonosyphilaids with his laughably small pecker.
Okay, so let's just review this cinematic masterpiece. A man so ugly he hides his face knocks on my door. I, in my true altruistic fashion, invite the fugly little bastard in. I ask how his pathetic day has gone, as if I care. The details are so painfully boring that the whole scene is edited out and suddenly we're in a bar. The way it's worded, he's slightly intoxicated when he drops the roofies in my drink. Considering I don't drink and his dumb drunk ass can probably barely string a full sentence together, I'm obviously not drinking it. All becomes a blur in his God-smitten head, I just play along. The writer was apparently too unimaginative to layout the scene for the rape, so we're anywhere from a dark alley to his cockroach infested digs. We'll go with the alley. I struggle to get away, using my face only, apparently. I mean, that's normal, right? Yea. So, that doesn't work. Shocker. Then he tears my clothes off; some time passes, during which I can only assume he's waiting for the Viagra to kick in; then he drops his own clothes and inserts his "bare erect PENIS" into my rectum (damn near killed 'em), without lubrication. I can only assume "penis" is in all CAPS as a form of overcompensation; noted. I struggle for a moment, but eventually concede. Probably because I've realized I can barely feel it, so I might as well wait it out... maybe try to push out some poop for shits and giggles... yea, that was a pun. Anyway, so he gets off and that's it. What a lame ending. I mean, srsly. It's literally the lamest scat rape porn ever, ltrly... and anyone who knows me knows I've read/watched a lot of scat rape porn. Lara❤Love22:54, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Under the image's caption in the article is the link to the 3D image (the red and blue glasses), and that now points to the deleted image page on wikipedia. That's the link that should be fixed to point to the correct commons page. Zocky | picture popups00:34, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Hmmm, I see what you mean. These indeed seem to be two identical images. But that's not how it's supposed to be. The other images on the page are normal 2D photos, and the 3D links in the captions link to 3D images, which are visibly different. Some of these images have been deleted, presumably because they're available on commons, but the links are now broken. I don't think you've deleted any of those, but I guess the lesson is, when deleting images, check also "what links here", not just "file links". Zocky | picture popups00:42, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I always correct any usages before I delete. The issue here is that the 2d image is actually 3d. I don't know if it's a metter of a new 3d version being uploaded over the original 2d or if it was originally uploaded as 3d but not titled accordingly. Regardless, it was found and tagged as a duplicate and then deleted. If there's a 2d image found in the upload history of the image currently being used in the article, then you can revert back to that one and let me know and I'll restore the 3d image. Lara❤Love16:48, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of a simple misunderstanding as demonstrated below. Please do not modify it.
I don't really care about the discussion anymore, as the deletion failed, but you really shouldn't continue editing an archived and protected discussion just so you can get the last word in. I just thought you should know that. Equazcion•✗/C •00:26, 6 Apr 2008 (UTC)
Whatever. I didn't realize it. Between puking and shitting, I guess the color didn't register. I'm still right, tho. Lara❤Love01:17, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Please don't edit and archived discussion. Otherwise, when in Rome... Besides which it wasn't just archived, it was protected. Equazcion•✗/C •02:13, 6 Apr 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
I accept that it was an accident, but I'd like to recommend that you self-revert it. Post-close comments are, by convention, removed, and given that the page is protected (presumably to prevent people from adding post-close comments), it would require an admin (such as yourself) to remove it.--Father Goose (talk) 04:41, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
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thinking one race is superior to another is racist. That is not exactly true. Thinking all people one race is bad, a problem is racist. Thinking it is superior could be refering to a large variety of things, not necessarily pure racism, so I think my edit was legit. (Not to mention I can't seem to find the source to verify it actually says it is a "racist ideology") Considering how many people have brought this to your attention through edits and talk page posts Like who? A few made personal attacks against me, another just wanted standardization, and now no long-standing editor but me seems to be disputing it on that page, so I think I did have a consensus for my edit. It appears to me that you are not capable of editing articles which fall into the category of race with a neutral point of view. That is your opinion, and I don't know what you base it on, nor do I know why you suddenly come out of the blue and seem to have a problem with me, considering I don't think I have ever had contact with you before now. YahelGuhan05:01, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Um Yahel. Our own Misplaced Pages article on racism states racism as members of one racial group consider themselves intrinsically superior to members of other racial groups. So your entire view of racism is incorrect, which is why you fail to edit these articles with impartial eyes. Lara doesn't have any issue with you - I asked her to help me review your behavior. the_undertow05:10, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Yahel, your edit was not legit. In that your POV and bias is displayed so blatantly through your edits, it is clear that you do not have the ability to constructively edit these various race articles. Now no long-standing editor but me seems to be disputing it on that page, so I think I have a consensus for my edit. You do not have consensus. I, a long-standing editor (not that my time here is relevant) am disputing your edit. There is a lengthy consensus on the talk page of the article which specifically addresses this very change you're making. So, in that, you are editing against the established consensus. Considering consensus can change, you need to discuss your thoughts on the talk page in order to attempt to achieve that. Merely making the change against consensus and hoping no one notices or bothers to comment is not acceptable. Additionally, your edit in this article and your edit on White supremacy are contradictory to one another. Both are racist ideologies and both should word it as such. Lara❤Love16:41, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
IAR/Cabals/etc.
I appreciate the clarification. IMO it wasn't stupid, but we all are entitled to our opinions. Best, Keilana| 00:24, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, it seems clear in that you did it that you didn't consider it a stupid action. The problem is that you still don't see the issue with it. Lara❤Love00:28, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Very true. What do you consider as the issue? There seems to be a general consensus that it was out-of-process but they shouldn't be restored, therefore it was justified. Keilana| 00:35, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
The issue is you did what you wanted despite being in the minority. You deliberately undermined our MFD process, disrespected not only the hosts of the cabals but all those who voted keep, and ignored a building consensus on ANI that you didn't agree with. It was completely ridiculous. I don't agree that all of the cabals should have necessarily been deleted. But those that should have deserved to be taken to MFD individually. Your utter disregard for some many aspects of Misplaced Pages is shameful in my eyes. Lara❤Love00:42, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your opinion. There is one thing, though: the existence of the cabals was bad for the encyclopedia. They were heavily encouraging social networking, and they were being edited to the exclusion of anything having to do with the project. I can understand the existence of the BRC, though it's not my cup of tea, people who are constructive contributors should be able to have a bit of fun. Keilana| 00:58, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Sorry to butt in here, but... Keilana, you're just stating your opinion as well, which is what you're supposed to do at ANI, MfD, etc. What you did was ignore everyone else in favor of your opinion, rather than contributing to an ongoing discussion. That's never good. IAR is meant for situations where a policy seems to contradict what everyone feels is the right thing to do in a given situation. That's not what happened here. You ignored a discussion and consensus, not a policy. It's Ignore All Rules, not Ignore All People. Equazcion•✗/C •01:07, 11 Apr 2008 (UTC)
If butting in is apropos, Keilana didn't ignore all people, there were other people like me, little people, who aren't all that happy with the idea of exclusionist cabals that converse among themselves (including on IRC, hint, hint) and run against the flat, open space that is Misplaced Pages - who didn't happen to pipe up at the time. We should all be together and equal in this, isn't that what we're all striving for? Franamax (talk) 01:14, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
We are. That's what discussions are for. Keilana acted despite the ongoing discussion. Just because some people agreed with her doesn't give her license to act outside a process or despite an ongoing discussion. Equazcion•✗/C •01:16, 11 Apr 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you're implying with the IRC comment, so I'll just skip it. It doesn't matter who would have agreed with you but didn't. The consensus was keep. The discussion at ANI was headed for keep. Whether or not these cabals should have been deleted is not the issue. The issue is the manner in which it was done. The minority does not get to cite IAR and win. That said, Equazcion, you're not completely right. She ignored the WP:CONSENSUS which is, in fact, a policy. Lara❤Love01:20, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Eh, details. We might have a policy that says we should do what most people agree to do in a discussion about an issue, but I call that common sense. If you ignore that discussion, you're ignoring people; policies aren't as important. The people were deciding on something, someone didn't like the decision they were arriving at, and decided to act on their own opinion instead. It was wrong no matter how you slice it. Equazcion•✗/C •01:26, 11 Apr 2008 (UTC)
(after ecXx) If it was wrong, then no problem! Restore the page as "improper interpretation of IAR" or, to avoid perception of wheel-warring, take to DRV. What's the problem? Someone did something and you're unhappy about the action, but you're reluctant to counter the action, for reasons you're unable to formulate, other than "there's no rule sez you can do that!" - but so what? Do you think those pages should be in the cyclo? Then do it, advance your reasons and let the cards play.
If the admin was that wrong in applying IAR, then register your objections. If it's bad enough, go up the ladder.
(undent) I don't understand why Keilana feels that it's okay to delete one cabal and not another. Who is fit to judge this? Not me. I also think the decision to delete was much more calculated. Deleting the BRC for example, and citing IAR is the same as doing it to any other cabal, but for some odd reason, the BRC was intact! Could it be that it would have upset certain members of the wiki, as opposed to deleting cabals that consist of new users? Talk about CREEPy - one admin feeling fit enough to judge which cabals should go and which should stay - that's beyond bold, that's a complex. the_undertow01:33, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
FWIW, I didn't delete the BRC because its members were actually productive, and not spending 95% of their wiki-time messing with it. I've also started a deletion review on the matter, it's what's needed now. Keilana| 01:36, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Unfortunately deletion is not subjective. Speedy deletion is even more concise, because it requires no consensus but hard and fast rules. If you are going to defend your actions by saying that your deletion had anything to do with the productivity of members, you would be heading in the wrong direction. Speedy deletions is not at the discretion of the administrator, it is based on solid criteria, regardless of who created the article, edits the article, or participates in the article. We are talking about pages you deleted, not editors. the_undertow01:48, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
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