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*I am second here, he already has served more than 5 hours that IMHO is much to long for a minor incivility of a major content producer, especially as Tango had conflicts of interests here ] (]) 02:08, 13 April 2008 (UTC) *I am second here, he already has served more than 5 hours that IMHO is much to long for a minor incivility of a major content producer, especially as Tango had conflicts of interests here ] (]) 02:08, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
::I enacted it as a reading of consensus which I personally disagreed with, as AN/I was howling at my decision to unblock per time served which I thought avoided unnecessary drama and still made whatever point people felt had to be made. I have no problem with anyone reviewing/undoing it. ] 02:41, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

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Orderinchaos is taking a short wikibreak and will be back on Misplaced Pages soon.

Until further notice, my activity levels will be dropping considerably due to offline priorities - a case of not enough hours in the day. I will be continuing to edit areas related to my interests but the time I have available to comment or involve myself in other matters will be limited. Orderinchaos 07:57, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Short term notice - Due to a bad fall last night, my left arm is for most intents and purposes out of action. This will limit my ability to contribute to Misplaced Pages for a few days. Orderinchaos 13:35, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

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Mark McGowan

Hi, I don't understand why the Minister of Education text (fully referenced) was removedfrom the article. It is all commentary of his performance as minister of Education and the decisions that he has made while in the position of Minister of Education. Surely this would count as part of a biography of any person? Regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.100.187.179 (talk) 09:24, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

A rant with references is still regrettably a rant. Please read WP:UNDUE carefully. Orderinchaos 09:26, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Happy Edit Anniversary Day!

HAPPY FIRST EDIT DAY! from the BIRTHDAYCOMMITTEE

Wishing Orderinchaos a very Happy First Edit Day!

Have a fantastic day!

From the Misplaced Pages Birthday Committee

— ComputerGuy890100What I've done to help Misplaced Pages 02:03, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm now officially two wikiyears old. Soon I'll be able to walk upright! Orderinchaos 02:23, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


Happy First Edit Day, Orderinchaos, from the Misplaced Pages Birthday Committee! Have a great day! ~~~~

--Nadir D Steinmetz 11:45, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

WP:BLP

Thanks for bringing up WP:BLP for dermatologist part of Wrong Planet. I'm currently finding more sources. Perl (talk) 15:36, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

CSD R2

In order to speedy delete something from CSD R2, it has to link from the mainspace, Misplaced Pages project space is OK. - DiligentTerrier 17:15, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Might have to see what Redirects for Deletion will say about that. Sorry, youre almightily wrong DT. Twenty Years 17:19, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
A. Twenty years, "almightily" isn't a word.
B. There is nothing wrong with having shortcuts to a cabal that aren't being used currently. I would understand if they were being used by something like, oh i don't know, a WikiProject! And I suppose we will se what redirects for deletion have to say about this. Kimu 17:32, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
To the first point - almightily, an adverb, is listed in both my Macquarie and my Oxford dictionaries in the subtext under "almighty". Secondly, running around creating "cabals" is primary school stuff. One gets over that stage of psychological development at about 12, usually. I would suggest to all concerned that they find articles to edit and improve to good article standard. Orderinchaos 17:41, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
What is wrong with cabals? After all, we are a community, and we serve a two purposes.
A. We are currently holding a random article contest, and the person that gets their article up to GA or FA status wins.
B. Comic relief
So what's wrong with cabals as long as we serve a purpose. Kimu 19:57, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
BTW, according to 1982 Noah Websters Dictionary, almightily is not a word. Kimu 19:58, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
The Macquarie Dictionary is the official one used in Australia - I checked both 1981 and 1997 editions - while the Concise Oxford English Dictionary (10th ed 1999) is the official one for English as an international language, and a variety of it is the official one for Canada. As all three say it is a word, I have no wish to dispute them. Orderinchaos 20:11, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Um, I lived in australia for 8 years and they don't use it. ever. Besides that they have revised the dictionary since those versions so they are a bit outdated. Also, I am in America, so I speak american; not english. I, as an American, consider the Websters Dictionary the official dictionary of America, not english. One more thing, I am not here to discuss the progression of the languages of the world; I am here to talk about the Redirects for the nerd cabal. Thank You. Kimu 21:57, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Merriam Webster is indeed the official American dictionary, and, I'm afraid to say, it does contain almightily, as do two other US dictionaries. Also, the person you were criticising was a native speaker of Australian English (of which, by the way, the Macquarie is indeed the official record), even though that is now irrelevant as we've now established that it is a word in Australia, America and England. That out of the way, I have better things to do with my time than discuss, and I quote, "nerd cabals". If you want to be in a nerd cabal, I suggest joining a university computer club. Orderinchaos 23:44, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
I was not refering to Merriam Websters; I was refering to Webster's first and original dictionary (of which I own a copy). Also, you are assuming that everybody that is a part of a university computer club is a nerd, this is not so. If you read the first oh... Four sentences of my userpage you would have found out that I am extremely athletic. Also, I am already a member of the nerd cabal, and would like to know, just what is wrong with cabals? Kimu 03:41, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Noah Webster died in 1843 - the language has moved on since then. I have several friends who are long standing members of university computer clubs, several since before the Internet hit the mass market. I'm not one of them—my interests are more in politics, geography and social sciences—but they're great people to know if you've done a systems proposal for a client and have absolutely no idea how to give it wheels. Some of them are quite athletic too, what gives? The need to create four cabals with almost identical memberships in one's user space suggests problems and needs beyond which Misplaced Pages was designed to manage. The need to pollute WP: space with redirects to them is something the community rightly needs to get a handle on. Orderinchaos 08:24, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Revert on my talk page

Hi, I was just wondering what the purpose was of this edit. It didn't look like vandalism to me. FusionMix 17:36, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, a user was attempting to harass another user by drawing attention from a supposedly sympathetic audience (i.e. the entire membership of a WikiProject - contribs and membership) to their comments on his own talk page. This is considered both canvassing and a form of harassment, and Misplaced Pages has a "shoot on sight" attitude to this kind of unproductive behaviour. Hence, all such edits were reverted and the user warned at their talk page. Orderinchaos 17:39, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Ah, I see. I thought it was just a mis-post. Thanks for fixing that. FusionMix 17:40, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
No worries. :) Have a good rest of your Easter. Orderinchaos 17:42, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Cross posting notice

Um, I just thought that people that were a part of the homeschooling WikiProject would be interested in knowing what another user thought of our project. I did not know that I was violating a WP policy, and I will look into the subject. But I do have a question: What exactly is cross-posting anyway? Kimu 18:28, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Also, I was not trying to draw condemnation of a particular editor; as that was not my purpose. I just wanted the other members of the WikiProject to know what other people thought of the WikiProject. Kimu 18:33, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
That was a pretty brave accusation; a pity it isn't true. I was not trying to be a bully, or encourage it. Also, just what was he trying to hold me to account of? I have nothing to be ashamed of. What is wrong with someone trying to tell other users just what is thought of a wikiptroject they are a part of? Kimu 18:42, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
We are still in the building stage of WikiProject and would like to be taken seriously. You have misinterpreted my posts. My sole purpose was to show people that, even in the ranks of our members, we are not taken sriiously and need to step up to the plate and prove the pople that think that wrong. I am sorry if I violated any WP policies, and I will not do again. But, do my invitations to WikiProjects count as "spamming"? Also, I would like to ask that you reinstate my edit on User talk:Diligent Terrier and User talk:Burner0718, as he is the founder of this project and has a right to know and Burner is one of my best friends and would like to know. BTW, I am well aware of twenty years' impressive record and would like to inform you that imao I have an impressive record myself; founding the idea of several Wikiprojects; creating a few categories, etc. Kimu 19:21, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Our problem is that we can't get organized. Did you know that this month only 3 people have voted for next months collaboration? Anyway, so I've go an Idea that I need to get out there and a few people have just been slowing me down. I'm already experiencing reduced activity (although I'm still more active than Jimbo :)) this month cuz of viruses and such. Anywho, so I've got to get on the ball and DT hasn't been active today and I really need to talk to him and it's just really frustating and so I'm not as patient with users as I normally would be. And besides all that I have no way to burn off steam so I'm about to scream. But I guess there's no reason complaining. Kimu 21:10, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Deleting content, are we?

I saw this edit to my talk page, and would like to know exactly what you are doing. This is clearly not vandalism, it was simply providing facts to me, to use at my discretion. Not only is this not your talk page, you have absolutely no right to delete my messages. It's my talk page, and I will do with it what I please. I have no idea what you have against my friend, but going and deleting messages that he sends people is unethical and rude. Please refrain, or I will alert an admin. elisa 19:49, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

I came here to say exactly the same thing. Please do not remove comments from my talk page ever, even if you think they violate policy. I intend to read every comment that comes to my talk page. Thanks. - DiligentTerrier 20:18, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but stating the fact that you are an admin makes the situation even worse. We're supposed to be able to trust admins, and how can we do that if they violate policy? Maybe I would have understood if you had alerted me, said something, anything, regarding your edits to my talk page. But you just blanked info without even so much as a notification. elisa 14:32, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
OK, even if someone was spamming my talk page, I really don't care, and I would undo edits that remove spamming in the future. With that being said, please remove me from your non-helpful spam reverts. Also, on my talk page you said that "a way forward for the homeschooling project was discussed". Where is that discussion? - DiligentTerrier 16:47, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Its right above, and on the associated users talk page. Twenty Years 17:13, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

It's not Outing

This is in response to your post on my user page concerning my protest against defamation of my name and character by user IsabellaW on the ARB page about the Prem Rawat articles. For your information, the issue isn't one of my being outed or having private or personal material about myself and other named individuals on Misplaced Pages exposed here. It's a matter of people using Misplaced Pages for the purpose of libelling and discrediting myself and other editors by labelling us as a hate-group. I've used my real name here on many occasions, as have other former followers of Prem Rawat, who in fact have as their usernames, their real names. Outing is not the point or the issue. But, I noticed that IsabellaW has escalated and added more retaliatory "stuff" to her section, so I don't know what the solution to this situation might be today. There really is nothing in IsabellaW's posts that would, could, or should be considered as evidence that deserves a response, and I think it's inappropriate for me to respond to her because her diatribe has nothing to do with the Prem Rawat articles. I definitely am not into engaging in a "tit-for-tat," roll in the mud with IsabellaW, because she seems to be quite volitile right now and on a full-blown smear campaign. At this point I'll confine my participation on the ARB to the discussion page and for now will take a wait and see attitude concerning this. Thanks for your response and concern. Cynthia Gracie Sylviecyn (talk) 12:51, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

thanks for the heads up. cheers Michellecrisp (talk) 05:06, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

  • As noted in the checkuser discussion, the two editors are not editing at the same time. I think conflict of interest is reasonably apparent in their edits but as WP:COI is only a guideline, I think any response to the editor should take into account policy breaches, such as introducing bias into the article by removing material which is referenced by reliable sources and cannot be shown to be of undue weight - thus the editor breaches WP:NPOV policy.--Matilda 05:21, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I thought 2 editors at the same time would be a sockpuppet case rather than conflict of interest, due to the nature of this person's edits, it seems they are closely connected to Edelsten. I did previously warn Zeumic about inserting fake references to glorify Edelsten. Michellecrisp (talk) 05:24, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes, that's why it doesn't become blockable. It's something we have an awareness of now in dealing with the situation, rather than an extra thing in and of itself. If the user kept up the behaviour they have been displaying in recent days, though, they might find themselves blocked for entirely other reasons (i.e. WP:DISRUPT/WP:EDITWAR). Orderinchaos 05:29, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Twenty Years

CheckUser came back as unrelated, and since you and a few other users are willing to vouch for him, consider the issue a moot point now. Nwwaew (Talk Page) (Contribs) (E-mail me) 17:09, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Different to

Sorry, I'd no idea. I just removed every occurrence of "different to" from every article I could find it in. I guess they'll revert to normal Australian form in due course, so if I spot those reverts I'll pop them into my exclusion list so they don't get accidentally picked up again. --Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 22:06, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

John Forrest in Swan

This is a very belated quibble, but I've just found an edit in the Division of Swan where you removed the Western Australian Party affiliation from John Forrest (1906-1910), stating "per source on 1906 election". The parliamentary handbook has his affiliation as "WAP" for that period, as does Adam Carr on Psephos. Could you provide your source? Thanks. Frickeg (talk) 23:47, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Right - thanks. Would you say that your source has precedence over the handbook, or vice versa? Perhaps, as two reputable sources give contradictions, this should be noted in the article? (Footnote, perhaps?) Frickeg (talk) 06:33, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

WP:AN/I

According to your comments, you said that I was mistaken with TY being a member of WP homeschooling. I was not, and he did recently quit the project. If you don't believe me then you can check the history of the Project page. Kimu 04:35, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


Questions about Combatting Vandalism:

I was just wondering about if there could be any outside Misplaced Pages consequences for vandalism and threats such as with the police or other formal prosecution? Thanks for your reply in advance.

Cheers, --Loy Wong (talk) 03:30, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Vandalsleuth Award

 Slakr's Vandalsleuth Award

For going above and beyond the call of duty in fighting vandals, I hereby award you this vandal-burning infrared beam intensifier disc and a set a matching stainless steeel vandal-grabbers. You probably won't actually need them, though, seeing as you already seem to handle vandals quite nicely without either. But, I figured some extra tools might help. :P

Thanks again, and keep up the amazing work. =) --slakr 12:52, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Comment at MfD

I entirely agree. The way I see it... Philippe here is my unofficial big brother. I met him in a 3rr warning (ick) and since then if I have any issues, I go ahead and bring it to him. Otherwise, I do some digging for answers to random things such as format, policy, images and all that fun stuff. But see, the fact that I do that searching is a good thing, because instead of someone spoon feeding me the stuff, I actually learn how to find utilities. Anyway. I didnt want to actually "vote" in the MfD since I had a previous issue with RyRy and I didnt want anyone to figure a conflict of interest. Thanks for your comments! Queerbubbles | Leave me Some Love 01:24, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

On a completely seperate note... I wanted to know if you had noticed that Diligent Terrier has a userbox that says that they perform admin duties... but when I check the list of admins his name does not show there. Is he an admin? Or just masquerading? Its a little confusing. Cheers! Queerbubbles | Leave me Some Love 13:32, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Kal

My brain hurts :( SatuSuro 11:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC) Could you do the honours per gmail? SatuSuro 11:28, 2 April 2008 (UTC) Oh you had done it ta cheers SatuSuro 11:29, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Awarding Barnstar

The Barnstar of Good Humor
Aprils fools day was a blast. Loads of users lightened up to have good old fashion fun. I want to thank you for taking part in editing this page in particular and even though I may not know you, embrace the same talk pages, or even edit with you in the near future, I'd like to award you this Barnstar for making Misplaced Pages a fun environment in which to contribute. Until next year. :) SynergeticMaggot (talk) 13:01, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Canvassing

Whatever the case, please don't edit war, as your edit summary asks. Re-removing the messages merely makes them more obvious. - auburnpilot talk 13:47, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

You tell me not to edit war... all I did was add back the message you removed. That isn't "warring". Please check up on what edit warring is before accusing others of doing it - what you did certainly was edit warring though. Majorly (talk) 21:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

heads up

heads up. Regards, NonvocalScream (talk) 14:16, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Email

Received and replied. Rudget (review) 15:38, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Twenty to Five

Just a quick note that ive changed the name from Twenty Years to Five Years. Thanks. Five Years 16:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

stub "contest"

What's your point? RC-0722 /1 19:30, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I mean, why are you doing this? RC-0722 /1 20:01, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

RFC

WP:AN#Cabals, part 2. There's an RFC in the making. Just notifying you in case you don't check AN, as I'd like to have the entire community (or at least a lot of opinions) in this. Cheers, Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 21:03, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Question.

Am I correct in assuming this? · AndonicO 13:34, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. · AndonicO 14:04, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Previous local government articles

Hi I was wondering if I could get some advise concerning some of the previous local government articles:

City of Cairns Council and Mulgrave Shire Council (yet to be created) merged in 1995 to form City of Cairns
Then in 2008 City of Cairns and Shire of Douglas merged to become Cairns Regional Council

I was wondering what your thoughts were on the naming scheme specifically the City of Cairns Council and City of Cairns articles? Fosnez (talk) 06:43, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Nothing444's Bot

Hello, Orderinchaos. You have new messages at Milk's Favorite Cookie's talk page.
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The IRC Buddy Barnstar
For helping to cheer me up when I was in the worst mood I've ever been in as a result of Wikistress, and for just generally making #wikipedia-en-admins a far more cheerful place, I hereby award you this Barnstar. Thank you. Hersfold 18:17, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Template:Emmerdale episodes

Thanks for taking your time to explain the formatting issue regarding Template:Emmerdale episodes to the user whom I was mentioning. Regrettably, they have ignored this and quite disrespectfully reverted your change back to their own last one, ignoring time formatting differences and the ability of preference changes (diff). How should this best be progressed? Cheers. Bungle 19:04, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks for your efforts. I'll keep an eye on AN/I for updates. Bungle 19:52, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Simple English username usurption

Because of technical reasons (bugzilla:13507), once SUL has been started, no username can be changed to one matching an SUL name. As such I can not rename the account to Orderinchaos. Since the account does not exist on Simple:WP, you should have no difficulty logging in directly under that name. I would suggest just creating the account and moving/redirecting your pages over to it. As the "78" account has only a few edits, there should not be major issues with doing this. The other option would be waiting for the bug to get fixed and requesting a rename at that time. Creol (talk) 21:55, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Former City of Geelong

Please note that I restored the edit to Template:Victoria former LGAs that you so quickly reverted. The template in question indexes articles about former local governments. The City of Geelong page is not such an article—in fact, it is not an article at all, just a disambiguation page that provides links to articles. The only article on Misplaced Pages that contains any information about the former City of Geelong local government is Geelong, Victoria; specifically, the "History" and (to some extent) "Government" sections of that article. So there was a good reason for changing the template. --Russ (talk) 14:49, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Adam.J.W.C.‎

Not a problem ... BTW, Twinkle is your friend. Blueboy96 20:26, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

New info

I've received some new info about this issue which is important. I've e-mailed it to you. thanks for your attention to the issue. regards --Merbabu (talk) 21:53, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Noted - thanks. Orderinchaos 00:08, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Re:My birthday

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Spread the tastiness of pies by adding {{subst:GivePie}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Thank you! Basketball110 pick away... 21:57, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

RFA thanks

Thanks for your support in my RFA, that didn't quite make it and ended at 120/47/13. There was a ton of great advice there, that I'm going to go on. Maybe someday. If not, there are articles to write! Thanks for your support. Lawrence § t/e 17:46, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Wahroonga Public School

Given that there had been a previous attempt to delete this page which was then overturned - Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2007 November 6 - why did you decide to delete without any consultation. I had planned to add a further reference to the school School repair gets F any comment? --AgentMole (talk) 00:33, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

MONGO block

Hi, I would like to undo your block of MONGO. I realize you've already done that, then you reconsidered and reduced the time, but I'd like to undo it entirely. There's evidence of prior bad feeling between MONGO and Tango, so the first block was not appropriate, and MONGO is now saying he has retired, which makes the current block unnecessary and more than a little humiliating (which I realize is not your doing at all — quite the reverse). Please let me know your thoughts. Cheers, SlimVirgin 01:31, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

  • I am second here, he already has served more than 5 hours that IMHO is much to long for a minor incivility of a major content producer, especially as Tango had conflicts of interests here Alex Bakharev (talk) 02:08, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
I enacted it as a reading of consensus which I personally disagreed with, as AN/I was howling at my decision to unblock per time served which I thought avoided unnecessary drama and still made whatever point people felt had to be made. I have no problem with anyone reviewing/undoing it. Orderinchaos 02:41, 13 April 2008 (UTC)