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Speedy deletion of Hood Up Day

A tag has been placed on Hood Up Day requesting that it be speedily deleted from Misplaced Pages. This has been done under section A3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an article with no content whatsoever, or whose contents consist only of external links, "See also" section, book reference, category tag, template tag, interwiki link, rephrasing of the title, or an attempt to contact the subject of the article. Please see Misplaced Pages:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. Nsevs • Talk 16:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Dear Friendly Twinkle, thanks for warning me about an article I was deleting. Love, Nsevs • Talk 16:09, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

AHM (magazine)

The article I'm recreating is updated, the magazine has a website (which is Atlantic Hurricane Magazine Website) and I have enough references to back up my topic and this time its not a hoax. Whenaxis (talk) 12:12, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

This should be on the Talk:AHM (magazine) page, not here, but I'll move it for you.--Nsevs • Talk 12:14, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: friendly remember to subst

, will do in future. Thanks for bringing to my attention!  S3000  ☎ 12:33, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup tags on Mike Watt (writer)

Hi there. The reason I tagged this page with cleanup tags is because it doesn't meet the standards of quality in the Manual of Style on Misplaced Pages. Please don't remove these tags without explaining why or making the improvements. Some of these items have been addressed with your edits and mine, but there still are some things to work on. Please let me know if you have any questions. --Nsevs

Very much appreciated, thank you. Over the next day or two, I'll work on cleaning this up. Apparently, the person who suggested it be deleted is someone who has attacked my subject in the past. It's annoying, but what can really be done about it. I like Wiki very much and think it's an incredible tool. Admittedly, maybe I picked a minor subject to write about, but Watt's done good in his industry and he's someone I know a little more about than other folks, so I thought I'd hone my skills with his bio. I'll study the Wiki guidelines and see if I can get it to correspond to what you require. Again, thanks for your time. ArchieHall (talk) 17:57, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case

I'm not going to even attempt to address any of this badly-spelled and grammatically terrible diatribe. I will not attempt to prove who I am or who I am not. The allegations are ridiculous.

I will merely point to one thing: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User:Poyoyloar&action=history

Poyoyloar created his account on April 6 and has spent all of his time focussed on the entries I created for Amy Lynn Best and Mike Watt. If Misplaced Pages judges these entries in violation of their standards, I stand by that decision. I won't address this individual any further. I think his own obsession with the subjects speaks volumes of his own character. Again, beyond this, I will not be burdening the Wiki moderators with what could easily slide into a juvenile flame war. I simply wanted to bring this evidence to attention. Thank you for your time and consideration.ArchieHall (talk) 12:36, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you that this has escalated very quickly and very unnecessarily, with some disregard for Misplaced Pages principles like assuming good faith and staying civil, and I have expressed these concerns to Poyoyloar. Consider this my expression of those same concerns to you (per and ). His concerns about sockpuppetry, vaild or not, deserve to be addressed, and since he is a new user, he may not have understood the process correctly. I applaud your decision to not address him any further, but please know that there are dispute resolution processes at your disposal should the need for them arise.

I do hope, though, that this doesn't turn you off from Misplaced Pages for good. If you can edit the articles to address the concerns raised (which is basically a lack of reliable third-party references), I encourage you to do so. The goal is not to persecute or alienate subjects (although it may seem that way at times) but we do enforce a fairly high standard for biographies of living people and notability to avoid legal problems and conflicts of interest. Please let me know if you have any other questions or need more assistance. --Nsevs • Talk 13:21, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Very much appreciated, Nsevs. If and when this blows over, I will take steps to either update or rewrite the two entries (and I have others as well that I'd be interested in writing, but I'd rather resolve these first). I apologize if any of my actions caused undue grief for you or any of the Misplaced Pages moderators. You have all been more than fair to me in this situation. My only concern now is that should I update my entries and add the additional ones I have planned that they too will come under this person's ire and the entire situation will repeat. This is the only negative I have taken away from my Misplaced Pages experience. My feelings regarding the site and its moderators remain extremely positive. ArchieHall (talk) 13:29, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry about "ire" on the part of anyone. That can be dealt with as it happens. If you feel like editing, do it. Take a look at Your first article for tips if you want. --Nsevs • Talk 14:09, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I will, thanks!ArchieHall (talk) 14:34, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

To be clear, I have no animosity toward MikeWatt/ArchieHall. And I truly hope that I am wrong about all of this. However, I am not new to these parts. For the last year I edit under my work IP address. However, because this matter was brought to my attention, I decided it was best to create an account to properly log these concerns.

And, if you take a gander at the manipulative efforts of ArchieHall/Mike, your patience would run thin as well.

So before you both get ahead of yourselves, I would like to remind ArchieHall/Mike to please be aware of the following:

(1) Nsevs is a decent enough guy and an editor, but he is not an admin. So don't place too much stock in what either of us have to say. In the end, an admin(s) will decide the case here.

(2) What is material here is that, that I Nsevs:

"...we do enforce a fairly high standard for biographies of living people and notability to avoid legal problems and conflicts of interest..."

"concerns about sockpuppetry, vaild or not, deserve to be addressed,"

And to be clear, good faith withstanding, the client has launched into paranoid diatribe about people out to get him. That just makes the case that he really IS Mike Watt, which means he's creating wiki pages about him and his wife, which speaks for itself.Poyoyloar (talk) 17:48, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Firstly, I would like to remind you that adminship is no big deal. Admins don't have any special decision-making rights, nor do their opinions hold more weight than any other editor. They do have the tools necessary to implement blocks and other protective measures, often necessary in cases like this one. If you have an objection to a specific thing I've said, then I'll be glad to entertain it. In the meantime, let's all go back to our normal wiki lives and let this issue work itself out through the appropriate processes. We can deal with further abuse when/if necessary. --Nsevs • Talk 18:58, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

NO, it's no hard feelings. And I wasn't telling YOU that adminship is a big deal. The problem is that the sockpuppeteer is putting alot of weight into what you told him, not realizing that you are NOT an admin. He is implying that you are. So that was for his benefit.

But we are friends here. :) I'm just doing my part to protect wiki from this sorta thing.Poyoyloar (talk) 20:21, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

--Obviously you are being manipulated by a sockpuppet account holder, archiehall. Account created moment of dispute flare up, all contributions shared, coincidence can't explain away intent. While he blames friendship with other account holder as cause, still implies form of sockpuppetry, conspiring to help eachother.Tromatical (talk) 22:46, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

It's starting to sound like I'm getting manipulated by two sets of sockpuppets. Be careful, both of you, Tromatical and Poyoyloar. You are both brand-new users who are speaking like you are old hand at Wikipolicy and both have very new accounts showing very similar editing patterns and very similar reasoning. I'm sick of this finger-pointing taking place on my user talk page. Let this run its course, and we can all get back to work. --Nsevs • Talk 22:55, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Response

Responding to your other concern,

http:// b l o g. m y s p a c e.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=12633280&blogID=377911809

Of course he still wants us to think he's 2 different people, so he lays it on thick. But he's just covering his tracks.

But of particular interest is the following quote from MikeWatt/ArchieHall's blog, whereby he all but confirms that he is soliciting meatpuppetry from this friends.

The title of the blog is: HELP NEEDED

"This week, has been lobbying to get my and Amy's Misplaced Pages entries removed... As of five minutes ago, it's still up there. However, if everyone could do me the favor and check in on it every now and then and make sure MK isn't vandalizing it or destroying it further. If you want to, feel free to re-edit, add, subtract, I don't care..."

Clearly, an intent to game wiki.

And I agree, enough is enough. This is my last thought on the matter. We should let everything run it's course.Poyoyloar (talk) 23:58, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay, this is idiocy. If whether or not I have a Misplaced Pages entry is all that Poyoyloar/Tromatical/whoever has to worry about, delete it. This person is a sockpuppet, that person is. I'm Archie and Dwaltzwriter. They're me. Whatever. I guess I just sit in a room and create new personas all day.

Poyoyloar: http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Poyoyloar Tromatical: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Tromatical&diff=prev&oldid=201114279

Both guys creating their entries with "Sup"?

But the other people are sockpuppets.

Fine, I cast my vote to the Misplaced Pages Powers That Be - Delete my entries and Amy Lynn Best's and we can all go on with our lives. Presumably. Except that Poyoylar/Tromatical/whoever will find someone else to harass. Quite frankly, I don't have the time for this. MikeWatt (talk) 11:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

No personal attacks

The above diatribe sounds like a personal attack to moi. >> Also, please defer from threats of legal action. Those type of discussions should be done, privately, w/ administrative support, not on talk pages. Happy editing!Fearedhallmonitor (talk) 16:27, 15 April 2008 (UTC)