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∞Who?¿? 07:58, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

reasons

Hello to you too. I was just a bit surprised, that's all. Keep in mind, though, that time stamps are hard to interpret unless you know what time zone a person is in. I don't need to know, I assume it was early morning. Cheers and happy editing, --MarkSweep 19:31, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

yeah. it was early morn. enjoy life! fraks like me make it intersting at least.Gavin the Chosen 19:38, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Fahnord

Your fnord-inserting mission... what's it supposed to accomplish?

• People who know about them won't think it's particularly funny or clever to see them in articles.
• People who don't know about them will be puzzled—Misplaced Pages's not a Discordian temple, so it's not likely they're eager to get enlightened either.

Also, obviously, spurious comments like these are likely to just be reverted. Are you going to edit war over putting them in? Doesn't seem like it's worth it.

There's no good reason to insert them and every reason not to. Misplaced Pages's not the Encyclopedia Discordia. We're here to collaborate with other people, not to push clever jokes (or, if you like, push a religious creed...) Suppose the Muslems inserted PBUH after every mention of Muhammad's name? JRM · Talk 21:02, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

but this is merely innocent, and it doewnst even show up on articles. if i kept it in subheads and blank space, it woudlnt even bother the editing . can i contunue if i behave with them? ( as in, no four hundred fnords for no reason, four at most)Gavin the Chosen 21:05, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Well, whatever you do don't sign them. See Misplaced Pages:Ownership of articles. Even if it doesn't show up, you shouldn't put your name in an article anywhere. People copy these articles, and it wouldn't be very professional to have the name of a Wikipedian in there.

Which is the second point: people copy these articles, and it wouldn't be very professional to have fnords in them. You can put them in, but don't expect them to stick; people are going to be removing them, and there's not much you can put forth to argue against that. Wikipedians are all volunteers, but that doesn't mean we don't take some pride in the image of the encyclopedia. Sticking fnords everywhere doesn't help. JRM · Talk 21:09, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

im just out to have some harmless fun. hope you can tell i dont mean anything destructive.

howss about i keep them t talk pages? Gavin the Chosen 21:13, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Don't worry, if I thought you were being destructive I would be much less friendly. :-P

There are lots of places on Misplaced Pages where you can have fun... but it's true, most of them don't involve editing articles. Visit the Department of Fun, read some unusual articles and check out some of the bad jokes and other deleted nonsense we come across every day.

And if you really want to see some fine nonsense, visit Uncyclopedia, Wikpedia's bastard sister. If you like jokes, there's the Jokebook on Wikibooks... that's all the fun places I can think of from the top of my head.

If your idea of fun is running around inserting fnords on talk pages, go ahead... I don't expect many people to get it or be amused, but it's a free wiki. JRM · Talk 21:20, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

I replied to your question on my talk page, but having read this discussion, let me quickly add that I don't think it's a good idea, period. It accomplishes nothing and you'll likely be reverted, in which case it would be quite unwise to go on. Meanwhile:

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Cheers, --MarkSweep 21:29, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Admin Warning

Misplaced Pages is not a place for "harmless fun" as you put it. You have already wasted a lot of my time with the fnord thing. Now, while I do believe in Misplaced Pages:Don't bite the newbies, you must also be willing to avoid disrupting this project.

No more fnord's. And make sure everything you add to articles is something you'd like to see in print at your school library next week when you're studying for a test. Uncle Ed 21:31, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

well , what about hte residential school thing? what i added was accurate, and fnordless.Gavin the Chosen 21:33, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Then add it again. As I recall, it was sloppy. It might help if you posted first at talk:residential school and listed the facts you are planning to add to the article. I don't mean to be terse and cold; it's just my writing style when I'm rushed. Cheers. Uncle Ed 17:45, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

Fnords

Re. to edits at Poser and comment on my talk page, yes - adding 'fnord' comments to articles is vandalism; it adds nothing. Furthermore, not all browsers correctly render comments and some display them as shown. Not so good. Also, it's a waste of resources (including yours!) - Pete C 21:36, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Its Unanimous, my Fnording days are over ( exccept on Xmas, talk pages ( pretty please?) and my birthday)Gavin the Chosen 21:37, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Thank you! :-) - Pete C 21:39, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Suggestion - edit your signature so that it contains a fnord. DS 18:51, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

good idea ... signature test Gavin the Chosen 18:56, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

E-mail

Gavin, would you check your e-mail, please? SlimVirgin 21:40, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

pardon

Please check the time stamps on what you object to. youll find that i did stop when told. Gavin the Chosen 21:53, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Pardon me, but id say its been longer then fifteen minutes now, and it stilll reads me as blocked. please hwlp..

I've unblocked your IP address (I think). Please check if you can log in now. --MarkSweep 04:17, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!Gavin the Chosen 04:18, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

SAM2 broadcaster

Just got yer message. Nice work on the SAM2 broadcaster article! I've just made a few tidies there - hope that's okay. Welcome back to the Wiki :-) - Pete C 08:26, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

thank for the kind wordsGavin the Chosen 15:05, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Use of the word racist in residential school system

You wrote:

the residential school system (and indeed the entire Gradual Civilization Act) are blatantly racist

Whether I agree with your point of view is irrelevant. What matters is that this is an encyclopedia. You can't use the word racist as a synonym for "bad" because articles here must be neutral.

You can say that one race or ethnic group is getting different treatment than another. You can also quote someone who calls this sort of thing "racist". But then you have to give a link or other reference to the source. I won't revert this, but you need to fix it. Uncle Ed 20:49, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

Ill get on that, but tell me, does not attempting cultural aassimilation and erasure seem rascist? was itnot racisism when Saddam houssain al tikriti gassed a bunch of kurds? Gavin the Chosen 20:51, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Yes, but Misplaced Pages doesn't have to say so. It just has to list the facts and let them speak for themselves. That's what NPOV means. ~~ N (t/c) 21:07, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Sources #http://www.shannonthunderbird.com/residential_schools.htm

1. http://www.united-church.ca/residentialschools/vision.shtm
2. http://collections.ic.gc.ca/shingwauk/Section4/section4_1_5.html
3. http://www.darknightpress.org/index.php?i=print&article=7
4. http://www.bcma.org/public/bc_medical_journal/BCMJ/2001/march_2001/ResidentialSchoolSyndrome.asp - healing subsection

Gavin the Chosen 21:03, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

then i will change it to "Has been called blatenly racist by native groups and others"

hows that? Gavin the Chosen 21:13, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

AFAIK, should be fine as long as you spell "blatantly" right. ~~ N (t/c) 21:29, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Yes, good! I like has been called X by Y - well done, Gabriel (er, I mean Gavin). Uncle Ed 03:33, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

Sockpuppet issue

I have analyzed your history in response to your request for me to help you deal with the sockpuppet claim that others have raised against you. You and Gabrielsimon both write sloppy and "stylistically similar", thats part of the evidence against you. Also, all four of you are interested in fiction and fantasy, more specifically anime and vampires. Nevertheless, you, Gabrielsimon and the other sockpuppets have written on the same article very few times. Gabrielsimon, Khulhy, Ketrovin, and you meet the Misplaced Pages definition of a "sockpuppet," although you might just have multiple personalities :-). This is because your oddly similar sockpuppets show up and edit after Gabrielsimon gets blocked. Vandalism reports against your sockpuppets were also filed. Anyway, you still don't seem to be a major threat because the sockpuppeting does not go as far as persistant bocking circumvention, 3RR rule circumventions, and double voting. You should choose one name and go with it, probably Gabrielsimon. You will have to stop any vandalism, pick one name, and resume normal wikistuff such as writting articles like SAM2 broadcaster. Multiple names may effectively erase anything others think of you(as you "start anew"), and may let you edit when blocked, but it is against the Misplaced Pages Way. You may have other things to contribute and I hope that you do so but this just has to stop.Voice of All(MTG) 23:20, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

I don't even have to check the contributions, anymore. Just a look at the way you write makes it obvious enough that it's you, Gabriel. Same spelling errors, same grammatical errors — it's all very distinctive and making me rapidly cross the line from annoyance to anger. If this keeps on, I'm afraid I'll be switching my suggestion for a Wikivacation to one of those supporting a permanent ban. --khaosworks • talk • contribs 23:42, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

I thought that Misplaced Pages was not able to "ban" users, just block them.Voice of All(MTG)

A ban is an indefinite block. People sloppily use "ban" and "block" interchangeably, however. JRM · Talk 00:45, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

LOL, of course it's the same person. So if one gets blocked for cause, you can go ahead and block the other one. But until them, let him play with his puppet. When he writes as Gavin, his style improves a bit. And it's the writing that matters. (Guess how many different sock puppets *I* have? And can you tell me which bureaucrat is really a sock puppet?) Go easy man, go easy. Uncle Ed 03:31, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, but I never heard of Gabriel, I had to treat the matter as such so I did the research. He attempted to befriend me and RyanFreisling and then gave me a message saying that he was new and didn't know what sockpuppeting was but that he was accused of it. It turned out that he was not a newbie, but at least I made sure. You already know that they are sockpuppets, so it seems obvious to you. What a strange sockpuppet though...Voice of All(MTG) 03:50, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

If he wants a fresh start, I have no problem with that. I have no problems with legitimate sockpuppets - or alternte accounts - as long as they don't get disruptive. However, it's the denial, the deception and the disengenuity I can't stand. --khaosworks • talk • contribs 04:40, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

I have tried so many other things in orderto ge away fro a certeain user who folowed my origionbal account around. I only got blocked once witht his one, on a misunderstanding. I have never lied about who and what ma, i simple didnt responcd to allegations, forthe most part, and ofcourse im going to respond in the way i responded. i have taken lessons learned into account, anf ave tried to move on from the other people ( who were in sebere disgreeement with me) , a fresh start. pleasekeep me as unseen as possible. I really couldnt handle the stress. Also, i promised to abandon the other people i was and stick with one account, so i made this one.Gavin the Chosen 05:08, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

You have lied about who you are, that's the point. This account went to User:Voice of All(MTG) and asked him to help prove you weren't a sockpuppet, you even left a message as User:Gabrielsimon to try - very unsuccessfully - to pretend you were different people. Again, if you want a new start, that's good, and I heartily encourage that, but at least be honest. As long as you continue to be a good editor, you'll not run into trouble. --khaosworks • talk • contribs 05:28, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

if there was any other way to get away from people who hold vendettas i have tried it, this eemed the only remaining way.Gavin the Chosen 05:30, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

I suggest: 1. Don't give people an excuse to have vendettas. When people suggest you correct your behavior, do it and do it that instant. Don't keep violating 3RR, or making sockpuppets, or tampering with evidence. 2. When people are needless assholes, ignore them. Don't respond in ways that will make them madder, and will make non-assholes mad too. ~~ N (t/c) 05:34, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

As i said before, in order to keep editing, i promised to more or less kill the others that i made, l;eaving this one to be the sole account, and if you noticce, i havnt actually violated any rule ( except graffitti, which i was unaware ofd, and was a misunderstanding) All i wish is to be able to make a clean start, youll notice i took the RFC advise under advisement, and i even found sources for an argument. I never knowingly gave the vendetta holder a reason to hold one, and so he only way to make that user leave me in peace seemed to be to shed my face and get a new one. I do not mean to offend anyonewith dishonesty, but to maintain the cover ( sorta like the wikipedia witnessp rotection program i guess) one must have some deniabillity, i suppose.Gavin the Chosen 05:38, 9 August 2005 (UTC)