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Euthanasia

OK. Would you also care to look at the paragraph above? It too was original research, look at it:

Others respond to this argument by pointing out that if a nondisabled person attempts suicide, all measures possible are taken to save their lives. Suicidal people are often given involuntary medical treatment so that they will not die. This argument states that it is due to societal prejudice, namely that disabled people are of lower worth and that any unhappiness must be due to the disability, which results in greater support of voluntary euthanasia by disabled people than suicide by nondisabled people.

This does not cite any reference, and what I stated is logically absolutely true as a rebuttal to this sentence. None the less I do appreciate it wasn't the correct thing to do. Will you be removing this paragraph also? It is guilty of exactly the same issue. -- Nevermind, I removed it myself. Without a credible citation then this paragraph too is original research and since it's logically inaccurate - it would seem sensible to delete it.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.109.12.253 (talk) 23:51, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks, my friend.

Timothy Perper (talk) 01:37, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

"Vandalism" of Tupac Shakur

How was my edit of 2pac vandalism? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bully25 (talk • contribs) 13:22, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Sockadelic

New editor at Powers and abilities of the Hulk, could quite possibly be another sock. Check out Special:Contributions/TheJaff and see what you think. Thanks! Redrocket (talk) 16:09, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Dabs

Sess, I don't know if you are avoiding me or are too modest to ask, but it really is OK to question my edits you disagree with. I am perfectly willing to provide explanations of each and every edit I make, no matter who's asking.

In this particular case, for example, since neither Gorki nor Górki Małe (nor Górki itself) are dabs, but rather set index articles, the provisions outlined in WP:D#Links to disambiguation pages do not apply to them per WP:MOSDAB#Set index articles. Gorky, on the other hand, is a dab page, which is why I left this edit of yours, which is absolutely correct, alone. Please let me know if you think I missed or misinterpreted something here—unlike some folks I know I don't tend to claim absolute infallibility and am known to admit making mistakes every now and then. Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 19:08, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Sess! As requested, here are my thoughts. Looking at the root of the problem and at the intents of the guidelines, here is how my reasoning goes.

As per WP:MOSDAB#Set index articles, et index articles are disambiguation-like pages that do not obey the style outlined on this page ("this page" being MOSDAB). In other word, they are a cross-breed of disambiguation pages and lists. Like disambiguation pages, SIAs list entries sharing the same name, yet unlike them they only allow entries of one type (be it ships, places, rivers, or something else). Like lists and articles, SIAs need to contain referenced and verifiable information (i.e., if they lack that, they can be tagged "unreferenced"), yet unlike lists and articles, they contain content which is very limited in scope (i.e., all entries must share the same name). In any case, no matter how you look at the SIAs, one thing is crystal clear—the guidelines dealing with them at the current time are horribly insufficient.

Take, for example, your decision to link to SIAs via a redirect containing "(disambiguation)" in the redirect's title. Since SIAs are not disambiguation pages (they are merely like disambiguation pages), doing so is extremely confusing and misleading, because it mixes cleanup approaches of two different (albeit similar) concepts. Adding "(set index)" instead of "(disambiguation)" might be a better idea, but, again, if you consider that SIAs are more like lists than dab pages, what would the purpose of doing so be? WP:D recommends to link to dabs via redirects containing "(disambiguation)" in the title so people/bots cleaning up redirects in the future would know when a redirect to a dab page is intentional and when it is most likely accidental and in need to be fixed. But is it wrong to link directly to a list, even if it is "disambiguation-like"? Not necessarily, wouldn't you agree? While dab pages should only be linked to from other dab pages and from the hatnotes, not from the articles, a link to a list may pop up pretty much anywhere. This is less true of SIAs (a subset of lists), but it is still true nevertheless.

Applying WP:D provisions to SIAs is neither right or wrong; the correct approach is simply not documented. I don't have a strong opinion on how SIAs should be linked to (via a "(disambiguation)" link, via a "(set index)" link, always directly, or using some other approach), but I do believe that whatever the final approach is going to be, it needs to be proposed, discussed, and added to the guidelines. Otherwise you'll have many different people independently using many different approaches based just on their interpretation of the guidelines or personal preferences and having no common denominator allowing them to coordinate and unify their efforts.

Anyway, the bottom line: if the members of the Disambig Project start working on improving the MOSDAB part dealing with the SIAs (it is currently awfully vague and confusing), that'd probably be a better course of action than having to put out various fires popping up here and there and having nothing in the guidelines to support your position. Please let me know if this addresses your concerns or if you have further questions. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:33, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the Edit!

i am bothered.. i have been editing some pages in the wikipedia (but some of them are just minor edits and grammatical edits).. i know that it is mandatory for wikipedians to cite references on their edits.. but i do not know that one should have citations to really edit information (regarding the yuyu hakusho page). my mistake! i will be better and surely to cite references next time. —User:Axxand 05:54, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

ACE/ACES/Aces/Ace (disambiguation)

I notice you marked a couple of these for cleanup; just to let you know there's a mini-project underway to merge these all under "Ace (disambiguation)". Regards, NapoliRoma (talk) 02:47, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Media

I notice you remove words like "BBC series" in favour of "media" which seems less helpful. Why is this? Abtract (talk) 09:09, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Which dab(s) are you referring to? You may respond below. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 16:49, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure off the cuff but you have done many similar edits and you may well be right but "media" appears to me to be less useful than something more specific ... I will go back over the last few days and see if I can find examples. Abtract (talk) 22:14, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I have no real means of finding it but I'm pretty sure it was a Dr Who character or episode that did read "from the BBC series Dr Who" which you changed to "from the Dr Who media". I'm not saying you are wrong but the former seems to me more helpful so I am wondering what your reasoning is? You do this sort of thing all over the place so you must know what I mean even without a specific example. Abtract (talk) 15:28, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the Late reply

Hi, I've been busy in my exams and wasn't able to contribute to wiki that much. In response to what you said here, yes AWB can change all that.  UzEE  14:16, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Categories

Hi sesshomaru. How many genres must an anime have? Fullmetal Alchemist (which I am currently cleaning) has like 5 genres in contrast to InuYasha and Naruto that have 3. Thoughts? Sorry to write in your talk page, just wanted to get your attention, delete this if you want and answer in my talk page.Tintor2 (talk) 15:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Left a message here--Tintor2 (talk) 16:58, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Saxnot

User:Saxnot has reported me and you for "vandalism and copyright violations" . This is nonsense. We have not posted any pictures, violated any copyright, nor vandolized any pages. This is the same user, who has been trying to put Tien as an alien, and vandolizing the talk page of that artcile,and has been ingaged in personal attacks against me. (and like I said, if we find out he's an alien, we put that up there). Anyway the thread is here WP:ANI. - Prede (talk) 00:27, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I'm aware of this one. If he continues disruption, it won't be long until he is blocked, both the ip and the account. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:34, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok just making sure ^.^ . I replied to the thread already. Explaining how he attacked me, and has vandolized the talk page. - Prede (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 00:44, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

That guy just won't listen and think he is the smartest guy in the world (some complex maybe?). He's got some nerves I tell ya. Also personal attack on me (calling me dumb and aggressively denied all the fact I laid in front of him), and would continue to spam the talk page of Tenshinhan article if I didn't stop the whole thing. I say we report him. SSJ 5 (talk) 00:03, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Discussion on Talk:Wǔxiá‎

Please add your comments regarding the decision to move the article from Wuxia to Wǔxiá. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 12:46, 17 April 2008 (UTC).‎

Dragon Ball (manga)

Just checked the peer review project page, and there are a load of suggestions on how the article can be improved. If you've already looked since the 18th April, you can delete this :P --- Krezos (talk) 15:40, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

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