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Rating in quality scale and importance

Articles related to Chile needs to have a rating on the quality scale and importance. I propose that in this section we should vote for the importance and quality Chile-related articles. Please read the articles before voting and read about the quality scale and importance below in this page.

Quality

Note: This quality scale is identical the one in WikiProject Argentina, if you think this WikiProject Chile could have a better scale please write about it in the discussion page.

Pages progress grading scheme
Template:FA Featured article	Reserved exclusively for articles that have received "Featured article" status after peer review. Articles are placed in Category:FA-Class Chilean articles.
A	The article provides a well-written and complete description of the topic, as described in How to write a Great Article. It includes a complete article and an appropriate series of headings to break up the article. It should have sufficient external reliable references, and properly illustrated. It should be at the stage where it could at least be considered for featured article status. Articles are placed in Category:A-Class Chilean articles.
GA	Reserved exclusively for articles that have received Good Article status after peer review. Articles are placed in Category:GA-Class Chilean articles.
B	The article is "almost there" but it may be missing secondary information and details. Alternatively, the English may need a comprehensive rewrite to make it flow. Articles are placed in Category:B-Class Chilean articles.
Start	The article has a good amount of content, but it is still weak in certain areas. Articles are placed in Category:Start-Class Chilean articles.
Stub	The article is either a very short article or a stub that will need a lot of work to bring it to A-Class level, although there may be a significant amount of material in the article. Articles are placed in Category:Stub-Class Chilean articles.
Needed	The article does not exist and needs to be created. Articles are listed in Category:Needed Chilean articles.

For further details, see Misplaced Pages:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment.

Importance

Note: This importance scale is identical the one in WikiProject Argentina, if you think this WikiProject Chile could have a better scale please write about it in the discussion page.

There are 4 grades for importance as defined in the WikiProject Chile article's importance. Please note that the importance of an article is independent from its quality.

I believe we would do it following the instructions indicated here. Please feel free add or change the rating of an article. Voting only in the case of serious discrepancies. Jespinos 02:00, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Project Move

I think it's time for moving the project to its definitive location. Jespinos 01:42, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Agree Dentren | 05:27, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Articles rating

How do we add articles to Needed Chilean articles if such page doesn't exist? Any guidelines? Should we move the "Requests" list from the Misplaced Pages:Chile-related regional notice board to this new category? Can I just go around searching for very small articles and tags them as Chile-stub (or specifics Chile-bio-stub/Chile-geo-stub)? Is this kind of behavior correct? Kilroytech 20:49, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Photos / images submission

I have literally thousands of hi-res (3000x2008) pictures taken by me which I'd gladly upload if anyone requests a copy of one of them for a specific article, as there are so many I'd like to expose the link where I have them posted, feel free to request from amongst them, they are at Flickr. NOTE: Some of them are from other countries where I've been, but those are just a few compared to Chilean ones, most are from either Magallanes or Santiago and its surroundings, including Torres del Paine, Puerto Williams, Antarctica, Punta Arenas, Parral, Rancagua, and many central Andes Mountains such as Pochoco, La Cruz, Manquehue, Provincia and El Morado. Kilroytech 20:55, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

I saw photos for the articles Nevado de Longaví, Laguna del Laja and Sierra Velluda. Have you photos of Cordillera Darwin? Jespinos 23:26, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of Sierra Velluda, but you are right. About Cordillera Darwin, I guess I might have some, I'll check. Meanwhile I'll upload the ones you noticed.

Article Tracking

After a while of participating in Misplaced Pages, I think there are a bunch of tools which may be useful for of Chile Project, mostly bots, but as I'm absolutely clueless about them (which do exist, and where can I add new bots), is that I raise this issue as a public matter of discussion, trying to improve our "performance" ;)

We should have some "article size bot", and "missing articles bot", attached either to categories or to an article list, the first one will tel us which are the least developed articles and the later would give us information about which articles we should create, I think this will really help us. Are bots for this already in Misplaced Pages? If not, where can I attach a self-made one? Are there any tutorials about it? If not needed, is there any particular Misplaced Pages function that solves any of these issues?

About categories: can categories be hierarchically related? i.e. parent categories list articles included in child categories. Can one create such a category tree? For example we could create a branch like this: Chile => Magallanes Region => Geography of Magallanes Region, similar examples with, flora & fauna are possible, and other themes like those, this hierarchies could be particularly helpful when finding relates articles while doing the revision process.

I suggest that we should also be very thorough at coordinate templates use, I have an Excel file from NIMA (US National Imagery and Mapping Agency) with all the places they have about Chile, it included both name and coordinates, as well as some other extra information that I've never used. This file was created by me using public data downloadable from NIMA's web site, so I think we could share it to use it as a basis for our work.

• I've created a list which is nearly a comprehensive list of all articles pertaining to chile which may serve this project. see Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Chile/Article list. I've suggested how the list might be applied, but perhaps other people might have additioal ideas.JAXHERE | 15:18, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

The bot User:Snowbot can do WikiProject tagging. --GentlemanGhost 13:01, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

town/city naming

I'm not sure if you've all noticed, there's a discussion on the current naming convention at Misplaced Pages talk:Chile-related regional notice board#Settlement naming conventions' Change Proposal. --Scott Davis 08:56, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

In the absence of clear agreement in any direction, I've opened a poll to help to develop clarity. Please express an opinion at Misplaced Pages talk:Chile-related regional notice board#settlement article naming poll. --Scott Davis 12:57, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Nest your project banner?

You may wish to add nesting capability (see {{WikiProjectBannerShell}}) to your project's talk page banner. This allows banners to be hidden and, hence, the TOC to be closer to the top of the talk page when an article is within the scope of several WikiProjects. In particular, there is a lot of overlap in the articles of Category:Chilean cuisine. --GentlemanGhost 12:55, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Osorno

Hello all. The Osorno, Chile article awaits review! I have been working on the article for some time now, and I think I have done as much as I can for a non-Chilean, non-Spanish speaker who has never been there. Most of the article is translated from the original Spanish , and I think it is pretty good, except it needs citations. Would anyone know where to find these, and how much of it needs it? Thank you! Korossyl 17:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

A model to follow

I've just recently discovered an article which, in my opinion, is an excellent example of what an article about a place should be: Sale, Greater Manchester. If we can bring most articles about Chilean topics (places especially) even half-way as good as this one, we will have done a job to be proud of. --JAXHERE | 16:31, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Barnstars

I have created the following two Barnstars for the use of Wikiproject:Chile. What do you think? I like the one with the plain background on the right. Korossyl 20:21, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I would add a copihue to the star. Otherway the red-blue-white colours seems too common. Dentren | 00:01, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Dentren's idea would be a nice touch. --JAXHERE | 15:35, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Well.. who will do a new star? Dentren | 10:38, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Cautín Province

I did a little work on Cautín Province last night, mostly making links. How does it look to you? I believe the article needs a bit of polish. Brian Pearson 00:27, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

An anon, with some kind of agenda, replaced completely an old version of the article. A portion of the content is, apparently, a machine translation from the corresponding Spanish article. The History section is information from other sources, which I have not understood. What is the better way of fixing this, to revert to the old version or copyediting? Jespinos 02:13, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure. I'm a bit new at this, myself, but I'd lean towards copyediting. Maybe some others will chime in with their thoughts. Brian Pearson 23:47, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

The article is much longer now, but the quality is lower than before. The article is full of opinions and thing needing citations and sources, but also needed to wifified and explained.. I dont like to eliminate info, so I will try to fix the article a little. Dentren | 08:19, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, that sounds good. I was thinking this article could be a nice blueprint for the other province articles -- some of which haven't been developed nearly as much. Brian Pearson 01:14, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, now I'm confused. My confusion arose when I thought I'd take a stab at a bit of editing, myself. First, there was the second paragraph which didn't exactly match the last one re Economy. Then, after I began looking for what they meant by the word, "silvoagropecuaria", I thought, well I'll go to the Spanish Misplaced Pages for Chile and see what they have, only to learn that they have a completely different name for Cautin: "Coihaique" . Brian Pearson 01:31, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

The corresponding article is es:Provincia de Cautín, I don't understand what you are referring to. Jespinos 16:57, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

If you checked the links, you'd see the Chile article which shows the various regions. Region IX (under Organización territorial) is shown as La Araucanía, with Temuco as capital. I can only guess that there are different names for different versions of Spanish, possibly from different countries -- one which gives Araucanía and another which gives Cautín. BTW, I see you've done some work on Cautin, since I last saw it. Brian Pearson 20:32, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I do not understand you. Temuco is capital of Región de La Araucanía that is composed by two provinces: Provincia de Cautín (capital: Temuco) and Provincia de Malleco (capital: Angol). Bye. --Lin linao 23:46, 28 August 2007 (UTC) PS: You can use internal links: ] gives Chile.

Understanding has dawned, thanks! Brian Pearson 00:25, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

New project banner

Hi all! I just joined the project as I'm interested in contributing (I'm part Chilean) and took the liberty of creating a new project banner based off of the banner I created for Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Greece - {{WPGR}}. The new banner is located here: User:Kimon/WPChile. I don't want to modify the project's banner before obtaining the membership's consensus. Let me know. --Kimon 20:34, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

As there wasn't anyone against this, I took the initiative to make the change. I've created a new template called {{WPChile}} and redirected {{WikiProject Chile}}. I also created the documentation section to it under this project. --Kimon 01:43, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Can you please show the 2 project banners in this section? I dont see any mayor difference between the old one and the new. Can you create a barnstar also? Dentren | 08:07, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

This is the old one and this is the new one: {{WPChile}}. Some of the differences:

1. Nesting
2. Criteria for B class
3. "listas" option
4. "peer review" option
5. "attention needed" option
6. Check to see if placed in talk page
7. "infobox needed" option
8. "auto" option (automatically assessed by bot)
9. parameter values are not case sensitive (more complete now) and more flexible

As for a barnstar, I'll give it a try. Can't promise though since I'm not a graphics guy. --Kimon 13:47, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Outreach

It looks like this is a pretty small/dormant project. We only have 8 participants and it's not very clear how many of them are active. I propose starting an outreach project by inviting Wikipedians who identify themselves are Chilean, of Chilean origin or living in Chile. We can approach the users listed in the categories Category:Chilean Wikipedians and Category:Wikipedians in Chile. I've created an invitation template to be used for just this purpose here: {{WPChileInvite}}. --Kimon 17:56, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

When the project started there was about 5-6 active editors but now most of them are not specially active. There is a good to search for new members among Category:Chilean Wikipedians and Category:Wikipedians in Chile. There are also a lot of Chileans editing in the Spanish wikipedia. I will invite more people. Dentren | 08:35, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I will try doing something with AWB or somesuch tool. Who knows, we may be successful and get this project going. Hopefully, we get enough traction to help create a portal too. --Kimon 16:57, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I created an outreach section for the project and have completed the first edition of the project's newsletter. I'll be using AWB to deliver it to all the current members and from then on, only to those who subscribe to it. --Kimon 17:51, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Project barnstar proposal

I created a new barnstar that we may want to use for the project ({{BarnstarWPChile}}. Take a look at it:

		The Barnstar of WikiProject Chile
		Awarded from xxxx to xxxx

--Kimon 18:41, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I made some minor changes in the barnstar.. I hope there is somebody to give it to. Dentren | 08:31, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Looks good although border style is straight. --Andersmusician VOTE 05:04, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I like the changes you made Dentren. --Kimon 16:49, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Portal:Chile?

Is there any interest to create a portal for Chile? I will start the portal and create as much content for it as I can but, I'll need help. Anybody willing to assist? --Kimon 15:50, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I've created it: Portal:Chile. Feel free to edit/amend as you see fit. There's a lot of work to be done. --Kimon 17:59, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

For now there isnt many people that use the portal but in the future I hope it helpfwill be useful. Here i made alist of Chile-related pages in wikipedia.

• Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Chile
• Portal:Chile
• User:AlexNewArtBot/ChileSearchResult
• Misplaced Pages:Chile-related regional notice board

Dentren | 07:55, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I would argue that there are very few members of this project but there is a larger and wider interest in Chile.

Hopefully, enough interested editors will join and contribute to our project and make the pages in Category:Chile featured articles :) --Kimon 18:13, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Advertising for the project

I've requested from Andrew Hampe to create an ad for {{Misplaced Pages ads}} in order to recruit more people for this project. I'll post updates here as I get them. --Kimon 13:59, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

• go ahead, we need to have as much members as we can. user:andesmucician —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.42.233.135 (talk) 02:01, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Chile in the Dutch Empire

Hello everyone! There is a discussion at Talk:Dutch Empire#Request For Comment: Map, because user Red4tribe has made a map of the Dutch Empire (Image:Dutch Empire 4.png) that includes parts of Chile. Would you like to comment? Thank you. The Ogre (talk) 16:29, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

New Map http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:Dutch_Empire_new.PNG http://www.colonialvoyage.com/ square=tradingpost (Red4tribe (talk) 16:31, 26 April 2008 (UTC))

Still OR, POV and unsourced (yours is not not a credible source). Please discuss stuff at Talk:Dutch Empire#Request For Comment: Map. This was just a request for comment, not a discussion. Thank you. The Ogre (talk) 16:39, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Chilean-Australian: request for comment

Hi! A vigorous - and now somewhat nasty - debate has emerged over the article Chilean Australian over the size of the Chilean-Australian population. The sole protagonists are myself and User:TeePee-20.7, and much of the discussion is on Talk:Chilean Australian.

TeePee is referring to an essay, written by a student intern and published on the website of the Chilean Embassy in Australia, that details the history of the Chilean-Australian population. Much of the article is quite informative and reasonably well written. However she estimates the Chilean-Australian population to be 45,000 without explaining how she arrived at this number.

In other articles that look at ethnic groups in Australia, Australian Bureau of Statistics 2006 Census data is used to present the number of persons (a) born in a particular country, and (b) declare to have ancestry to a particular country (either alone or in combination with one other ancestry).

TeePee is strongly opposed to using this data, and instead insists on solely referring to the essay reference. I do not think the essay's estimate is accurate.

There is one limitation to the ABS data - somebody who has a Chilean ancestry might only choose to declare themselves according to their new Australian identity, or their European heritage. However I have included a caveat which draws attention to this minor flaw, as well as a statistic on how Chilean-born Australians defined their ancestral backgrounds in 2001.

I believe this version should be used.

TeePee has adopted a highly aggressive posture (and has been previously blocked), and has claimed I do not adequately cite references (even though six out of the seven references in the version above go to my ABS sources). No amount of compriming, humouring, reasoning or exercising of a time-out has worked. Misplaced Pages would benefit from a third party opinion on this page.

And by all means, seek his side of the story. Kransky (talk) 10:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)