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| Stop trying to drag me into the dispute with the blocked user Moulton by labeling me a "meatpuppet" or "WR editor." It's completely false, a personal attack, and I had no interest in dragging this out further. '''<font color="#ff9900">]</font><font color="#ff6699">]</font>''' 02:04, 15 May 2008 (UTC) | Stop trying to drag me into the dispute with the blocked user Moulton by labeling me a "meatpuppet" or "WR editor." It's completely false, a personal attack, and I had no interest in dragging this out further. '''<font color="#ff9900">]</font><font color="#ff6699">]</font>''' 02:04, 15 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
| : If you don't want to be seen as acting on behalf of a banned editor you shouldn't be making the exact edits at the exact article that a banned editor is calling for. And don't say you weren't aware of Moulton's requests, I've diffs showing you were. You involved yourself the moment you started editing the Picard article with the very edits Moulton was calling for. ] (]) 04:50, 15 May 2008 (UTC) | |||
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Heads up
You'll want to keep an eye on NPOV/FAQ for pseudoscience issues, and oh, you might want to keep an eye on Mackan79: He's taken to deleting the majority view from the Expelled article.
You should probably have a look at the Marks article where a particular editor seems to have a COI issue and is edit warring. Odd nature (talk) 22:47, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
McCain: intelligent design advocate?
Hi--I see you added the category:Intelligent design advocates tag to John McCain. I hadn't heard that he was an ID proponent. Can you point me to an article about his connection to the ID movement? I've started a section on the McCain talk page about this (Talk:John McCain#Category: intelligent design advocates?); if you could reply there, that would be fantastic. Thanks much! -- Narsil (talk) 08:10, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Mentioned your name in an RfC
I mentioned your name in this RfC:
If I characterized your response incorrectly let me know and I will change them. Any background information or anything else you can give would be welcome. Inclusionist (talk) 05:12, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
ThomHImself
FM, it may have come time to do something about that editor. He is basically a reincarnation of Moulton, only with a different ID proponent. He has literally caused disruption on every single article he has edited with regards to Marks plus he has a serious COI that needs to be addressed. Should I take this to ANI for a report? Baegis (talk) 00:31, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
- I agree, he has become disruptive. Let's give him another day or two to settle down, and then if he hasn't, bring it to the community. FeloniousMonk (talk) 01:44, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
When you have a sec
Would you mind commenting here. I think I've done a better job of framing my concerns. Thanks! Angry Christian (talk) 14:58, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Richard Sternberg controversy
I see you made changes to the Richard Sternberg page, removing the contributions shown here: . Can you please provide an explanation for removing this information from the paragraph? Especially on a subject so controversial, it's important to articulate information in as neutral a fashion as possible. The previous version only presented a single side of the controversy, biased against R. Sternberg in the initial paragraph. Presenting Sternberg's position on the issue (with references) is not only more informative for the reader but also maintains an accurate account of the controversy itself.
Tony Zirkle userfication
When you have a moment, could you userfy that article for me? I'd like to expand it and make it into an article that demonstrates his notability. (The closing admin seems to be AWOL) JoshuaZ (talk) 21:21, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Expelled POV
I am trying to figure out why you removed the POV notification I added to the Expelled article yesterday. The article reads like an enormous, exquisitely detailed and interlinked refutation of the film. It doesn't present any material in the film except for the purpose of debunking it.
Not having seen the movie, I wanted to know if it was worth watching, but the article postively exudes POV. I didn't find out most of what I wanted to know, even after reading a few thousand words. It's just too long and too negative. keno (talk) 00:27, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Replied
...at my talk page. Thanks for the note. Carcharoth (talk) 03:46, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Skype invite
Hi, would you be free for a Skype chat? Please e-mail and I'll give you my ID. :) Durova 05:18, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
- Does one of youse own stock in Skype? •Jim62sch• 02:50, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Re: Question
Category:Suspected Misplaced Pages sockpuppets of Jinxmchue was deleted under WP:CSD#C1 – it was an empty category that was left empty for several weeks. Feel free to re-create it, if appropriate. Cheers. --MZMcBride (talk) 02:46, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Tag
Felonious, neither of the sources that are cited for the first half of the sentence provide any verification for the second half which states: '... the list is intended to lend support to other Discovery Institute campaigns, such as "Teach the Controversy", "Critical Analysis of Evolution", "Free Speech on Evolution", and "Stand Up For Science"'. Neither of those sources even mentions this list, so they certainly could not be used to source the claim that the list is "intended" for such and such purpose. Now, I fully believe this claim, but it still needs to be cited. I'm looking for an adequate citation, but without one the tag must remain.PelleSmith (talk) 03:34, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
- Pleanty of other sources do. Either you're promoting the Discovery Institute's obfucation line or you're clueless on the subject. Which is it? FeloniousMonk (talk) 03:46, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
- Well its not the former since I believe the claim to be true ... that the DI is using the petition to further the promotion of ID. To your second point I suggest instead of calling other people clueless you help the project and just provide the sources. Clearly in my clueless naivete I cannot find a source to back the assertion that I believe is true, but you probably can, given how not clueless you are. So please do. Thanks.PelleSmith (talk) 04:03, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
- The source you have found does not substantiate either the disputed claim at the Picard page, that the petition promotes ID, or even the non-disputed claim that I have asked for sourcing for at the petition page, that the DI uses the petition in its campaigns. Would you care to explain what exactly you think this source tells us?PelleSmith (talk) 04:15, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
- To anyone objective it does. But since you insist, I'll add another. I've literally a dozen more. You can reject them one by one and we'll see how this ends up. FeloniousMonk (talk) 04:19, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you for providing a source that actually connects the petition to "other campaigns." Unfortunately this is of no help to us at the Picard page where we need a source that connects the use of the petition directly to the promotion of ID, something not mentioned in the second source at all. Providing such a source would be of great help. If you have one, or two, or ten please do post directly to the talk page there. As I said it would be a very big help. Thanks.PelleSmith (talk) 04:21, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
- To anyone objective it does. But since you insist, I'll add another. I've literally a dozen more. You can reject them one by one and we'll see how this ends up. FeloniousMonk (talk) 04:19, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
- Two primary sources have been provided supporting the content and saying the same thing, you have simply just rejected them. I can keep adding sources and you can continue rejecting them. Fine by me. FeloniousMonk (talk) 04:32, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
- You are talking about the Picard page I assume. Neither of your sources say what you want them to. In fact, the one you just added states emphatically that "challenges to Darwinian evolution are not the same as proposed solutions, such as the scientific theory of intelligent design." Oddly you have just strengthened the opposition to the point you are trying to prove by showing that the DI itself does not conflate those who challenge Darwinian evolution (e.g. those who signed a petition to that effect) with those who support intelligent design.PelleSmith (talk) 04:48, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
- So you say, the person who thinks partisan primary sources are to be taken at face value and ignores Misplaced Pages:Verifiability#Questionable_sources... FeloniousMonk (talk) 05:39, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
- You are talking about the Picard page I assume. Neither of your sources say what you want them to. In fact, the one you just added states emphatically that "challenges to Darwinian evolution are not the same as proposed solutions, such as the scientific theory of intelligent design." Oddly you have just strengthened the opposition to the point you are trying to prove by showing that the DI itself does not conflate those who challenge Darwinian evolution (e.g. those who signed a petition to that effect) with those who support intelligent design.PelleSmith (talk) 04:48, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
- Two primary sources have been provided supporting the content and saying the same thing, you have simply just rejected them. I can keep adding sources and you can continue rejecting them. Fine by me. FeloniousMonk (talk) 04:32, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Re:Evidence of Meatpuppetry
I admit, I edited for Moulton. However, 1)I did not make changes word-for-word, but close to it, 2)I support Moulton's unbanning and have edited Misplaced Pages under another account, 3)I support Moulton's rewording of the text, and 4)Meatpuppeteering is when an editor is recruited, not when a person says something should be done and an editor feels it's the right choice and does it. I don't see what's wrong with Moulton's proposal. Instead of attacking me for agreeing with his proposal, why don't you offer some constructive criticism on the proposal itself. --PlatanusOccidentalis (talk) 19:13, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
- Looks like this little meaty needs a block as well as the other account. Great job with being a front for a user who left the community only after exhausting every last shred of good faith possible. Awesome. Baegis (talk) 22:06, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Attacks in the article User:Moulton
Removed provocative and unjustified warning. Please don't template the regulars! — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 17:26, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- What is this nonsense? There are no personal attacks on that page, and its not an article either btw. This template is nonsensical, could you possibly be trying to open discussion?If so, please try again. KillerChihuahua 17:08, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- The puppy speaks wisely and kindly. •Jim62sch• 17:11, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- Heck, I'm a newb, and even I know the rules on that one. Of course, me ma always said I was a fast learner... :) --Aunt Entropy (talk) 18:12, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- That was a nice message on my talk page. I enjoyed it. I mean, you still suck, but yeah, I had fun. the_undertow 20:46, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- Heck, I'm a newb, and even I know the rules on that one. Of course, me ma always said I was a fast learner... :) --Aunt Entropy (talk) 18:12, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
User:Moulton
It would not be good for Misplaced Pages if you and your friends were out-witted by yourselves. You guys are a great help in keeping Misplaced Pages NPOV in evolution-related articles. But you are now involved in BLP articles. Ask for advise from friends. Please. WAS 4.250 (talk) 20:57, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Threat?
Keep it up and I'll take a personal interest in seeing that you are prevented from making one again. Please do not threaten other users because they attacked you first. WP:CIVIL does not allow you to do "eye for an eye" and make threats against other users. Be the better person here, like is expected from everyone in such situations. Mike H. Fierce! 22:27, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- Stopping an incivil editor from being uncivil is one of the jobs of an admin. Saying that you will do so is never a threat. FeloniousMonk (talk) 22:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- The manner in which you said it sounded like a threat to me, or else I wouldn't have brought it up with you. "Stop it or you will be blocked" is not a threat. "I'mma make sure you won't make another incivil comment again!" is a threat. See the difference? Mike H. Fierce! 22:34, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- I try to proportion my tone to the level of disruption I'm addressing usually. FeloniousMonk (talk) 22:42, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- I guess the important thing to keep sight of is that you are talking to another person on the other end, not a dog or something you need to shame. People tend to like it when you treat them like people. :) Mike H. Fierce! 22:45, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- The road runs both ways, good acts beget good acts. That wasn't his first CIVIL warning, but I take your point. FeloniousMonk (talk) 22:51, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- I guess the important thing to keep sight of is that you are talking to another person on the other end, not a dog or something you need to shame. People tend to like it when you treat them like people. :) Mike H. Fierce! 22:45, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- I try to proportion my tone to the level of disruption I'm addressing usually. FeloniousMonk (talk) 22:42, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- The manner in which you said it sounded like a threat to me, or else I wouldn't have brought it up with you. "Stop it or you will be blocked" is not a threat. "I'mma make sure you won't make another incivil comment again!" is a threat. See the difference? Mike H. Fierce! 22:34, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Moral support
This is a move in the right direction. Thanks for taking the time to assemble the evidence. Somebody with a strong constitution is needed to clear the stables. --Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 01:24, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Stop.
Stop trying to drag me into the dispute with the blocked user Moulton by labeling me a "meatpuppet" or "WR editor." It's completely false, a personal attack, and I had no interest in dragging this out further. krimpet✽ 02:04, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
- "That's right folks, I forgot to mention we re-programmed Krimpet a week or so ago and we are finally putting her to use." If you don't want to be seen as acting on behalf of a banned editor you shouldn't be making the exact edits at the exact article that a banned editor is calling for. And don't say you weren't aware of Moulton's requests, I've diffs showing you were. You involved yourself the moment you started editing the Picard article with the very edits Moulton was calling for. FeloniousMonk (talk) 04:50, 15 May 2008 (UTC)