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Revision as of 15:29, 16 May 2008 editNcmvocalist (talk | contribs)Autopatrolled, Extended confirmed users, Pending changes reviewers, Rollbackers27,127 editsm Question from FT2← Previous edit Revision as of 15:36, 16 May 2008 edit undoCla68 (talk | contribs)Autopatrolled, Pending changes reviewers48,127 edits Question from FT2: okayNext edit →
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:I'm not sure if my reply should have been moved to the evidence page. My reply was meant as a direct response to FT2. My evidence, when presented, will be intended for the entire ArbCom and interested observers, not just for FT2. If I had known that my response would be moved, I might done it differently. Now, it may be out of context. ] (]) 15:22, 16 May 2008 (UTC) :I'm not sure if my reply should have been moved to the evidence page. My reply was meant as a direct response to FT2. My evidence, when presented, will be intended for the entire ArbCom and interested observers, not just for FT2. If I had known that my response would be moved, I might done it differently. Now, it may be out of context. ] (]) 15:22, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
::People may want to provide replies to your comments/evidence - and this is not the place for them. Ideally, FT2's comment probably should not have been made here, to avoid confusion for those who would not understand. In any case, a clerk will remove these comments soon. ] (]) 15:29, 16 May 2008 (UTC) ::People may want to provide replies to your comments/evidence - and this is not the place for them. Ideally, FT2's comment probably should not have been made here, to avoid confusion for those who would not understand. In any case, a clerk will remove these comments soon. ] (]) 15:29, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Well then, when I present my complete evidence, I'll probably incorporate that comment into my entire evidence presentation. ] (]) 15:36, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


=Proposed final decision= =Proposed final decision=

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This is a page for working on Arbitration decisions. The Arbitrators, parties to the case, and other editors may draft proposals and post them to this page for review and comments. Proposals may include proposed general principles, findings of fact, remedies, and enforcement provisions—the same format as is used in Arbitration Committee decisions. The bottom of the page may be used for overall analysis of the /Evidence and for general discussion of the case.

Any user may edit this workshop page. Please sign all suggestions and comments. Arbitrators will place proposed items they believe should be part of the final decision on the /Proposed decision page, which only Arbitrators may edit, for voting.

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One question that seems important to check with all parties and anyone else:

It might be helpful to give some (simple) wiki-historic background on these matters (so to speak) and "how it reached where it is now", in addition to the usual discussion of the parties' conduct (how they have acted and its impact).

By that I mean, without setting out a fishing net or any kind of wild conspiracy-building, it might be useful to have a couple of comments on the extent to which this is about the conduct of specific individuals, and the extent (if any) to which the problematic conduct(s) are also driven by the playing out of some kind of underlying issue, dispute or division, such as groups, cliques, historic conflicts, or opposing agendas/viewpoints (if any).

I ask since this might be an important factor in assessing the conduct of the parties, in a fair and informed way, and against an appropriate context. Or it might not.

Comments (if any) on the evidence page please. FT2  11:40, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


Further thought: Where possible I'd encourage those giving evidence (on either "side") to ensure they also give consideration to good faith explanations, as necessary. Whilst we're ultimately looking at users' conduct and its impact here, not every problematic action will have been undertaken for a disruptive or hostile reason. Up-front request for a good quality, reasoned discussion. FT2  12:06, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
To ensure communication is reasonably clear, it might also be useful if those providing such a 'background' assume that anyone reading through the background has had no prior dealings with those involved, and have little to no idea about the dispute. Ncmvocalist (talk) 15:18, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


(Cla68 reply moved to evidence page) - Ncmvocalist (talk) 15:18, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure if my reply should have been moved to the evidence page. My reply was meant as a direct response to FT2. My evidence, when presented, will be intended for the entire ArbCom and interested observers, not just for FT2. If I had known that my response would be moved, I might done it differently. Now, it may be out of context. Cla68 (talk) 15:22, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
People may want to provide replies to your comments/evidence - and this is not the place for them. Ideally, FT2's comment probably should not have been made here, to avoid confusion for those who would not understand. In any case, a clerk will remove these comments soon. Ncmvocalist (talk) 15:29, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Well then, when I present my complete evidence, I'll probably incorporate that comment into my entire evidence presentation. Cla68 (talk) 15:36, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

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