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Myron Cope Awards

I've started compiling a list of Myron Cope's awards and achievements in my Sandbox. You are welcome to help me. I nominated Myron Cope for a good article, but it probably won't be reviewed for another week or two, so I've been trying to get it into top form, and nobody else has helped me much. Thanks and Good work so far! Blackngold29 (talk) 04:55, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Eliot Spitzer

Thanks for this; either way, WP:MOS says that section headings should be in plain text. --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 18:34, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Agreed; that's why I left it alone...but fair is fair. I thought s/he was cleaning up the article in useful ways. Regards - Isaacsf (talk) 18:48, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

re chelsea

quite welcome. it's a huge time waster, and i wish wikipedia would do something substantial to tame the vandals, but until they do...Anastrophe (talk) 03:44, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Interesting

It will be interesting to see your proof that Patterson is not a pale mulatto. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.109.105 (talk) 10:18, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Senate Districts 29 and 30.

That was a great find on the year of the district renumbering for David Paterson Kudos to great sleuthing. -- Yellowdesk (talk) 03:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks - it was bugging me that his district morphed in front of my eyes, which I didn't think was right.

Regards -

Isaacsf (talk) 03:23, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Curious if you knew that was the redistricting moment, or you eyeballed a lot of of maps. -- Yellowdesk (talk) 13:12, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

A little of both. The succession boxes at the bottom of the article listed his tenure in each district, apparently correctly, even while the text was being edited. It seemed highly unlikely that he moved to a new district. Knowing that NY is losing population and that it takes some amount of time after the decennial census for the state legislatures to redistrict, I guessed that was the reason and searched for proof of it. I also live in a growing state (NC) where districts changed after 2000. Isaacsf (talk) 13:59, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou

Hi I've had a look through the rules, procedures and guideliones and see where I went wrong. Thanks for you help!

Marcustheostrichfarmer (talk) 16:11, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

No problem at all. Welcome to Misplaced Pages! Isaacsf (talk) 16:32, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Cartoon Network

Sorry, my mistake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.70.26.237 (talk) 21:24, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Your edits to User talk:Dmnbdfhd

Hi. Just wanted to point out that your templated warning to this user duplicated my edit above yours. While I didn't undo his edits to the N.O. article, I was talking to him about them. Do you mind undoing your edit so that he only has one message about his edit to New Orleans? Thanks, Darkspots (talk) 00:35, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

You have a point, but I felt the edit needed to be undone. I thought I was pretty careful not to bite...would you want me to undo the change on the main page as well? Or perhaps add a clarifying statement on the talk page below my edit so the user has a better chance of understanding what went on? Isaacsf (talk) 00:42, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Of course the edit to New Orleans needed to be undone. You weren't bitey at all. I just don't think we should leave duplicate messages about a single issue for new editors. If you remove your message, maybe I can work with this guy to get his sources into the article. Maybe we'll never hear from him again. Thanks for your attention to this, I appreciate it. Darkspots (talk) 00:47, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. . Darkspots (talk) 01:07, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Geez, you beat me to my own talk page to comment :-) As you can see, I've stepped aside. Thanks for taking an interest. We certainly need all the volunteers we can find and encourage. Isaacsf (talk) 01:11, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Y.A.B.

hehe. thanks much for the shiny star! Happy editing! Thingg 00:49, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: RfA

Most definately! Allowed and encouraged. The only people who aren't allowed are anonymous (IP) users. xenocidic (talk) 21:06, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

My RfA question

Rephrased based on your reply. It was meant more about groups stacking the deck with editors and admins, and publicly stating such a purpose, than on CAMERA alone. DarkAudit (talk) 00:01, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

A fair clarification, to be sure. I still wonder, though, if it doesn't smack a little bit of "when-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife," in that being a member of an interest group - even if it clearly has an agenda - doesn't automatically rob one of all ability to be balanced. Back to my original analogy, when a justice is appointed by a president, one presumes s/he will automatically stick to the "party line," but history has shown that not to always be the case. Anyway, I'm leaving the question alone. I said my piece; we'll see what response is generated either way. Cheers! Isaacsf (talk) 00:25, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Username change

I hope you're settling into your new username. You might want to tell what your previous username was somewhere on your userpage. P.S. I joined the WP:Disambiguation pages with links task force after noticing it on your userpage. Then I created a nifty usertop icon, you might be interested in using. xenocidic (talk) 14:52, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Sweet - thanks. I've added it (and rollback) above. I left the previous username off (at least for now) since there's a redirect from it to here...I'm still thinking about the whole identity thing. Frank (talk) 15:00, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Sure thing, that's your prerogative. =) xenocidic (talk) 16:21, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: RfA

Insightful and thought-out comments like yours are most certainly always welcome... it's when editors stop questioning the reasoning of others that Misplaced Pages should start to worry. Thanks for your comment, and I hope I made a half-decent stab at replying. I wouldn't have posted on the RfA anyway, but I was following up the edits to the article in question, and discovered Thingg's RfA link on his userpage.

If you have a comment, don't be afraid to speak your mind — those who think less of you for doing so probably need to get back in touch with be bold, don't be a dick etc. Hope to see you around in the future. haz (talk) 07:11, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Terpterp (talk · contribs)

RE: this. No, thanks for the input; I'm new with the mop, so I like to check when I don't go by the book in obvious ways. - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 21:05, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, I was actually looking at his edit when you removed it from your page. (I don't even remember why I watch your page.) While I was investigating, you blocked him, which seemed appropriate. The threat was most inappropriate. New user, immediately starting in with threatening edits...open and shut case to me.  Frank  |  talk  21:09, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

ok, NOW it makes sense....

Wow, am I dense. I didn't even notice you changed your username. (I was trying to figure who the "Frank" at my RfA was.) I guess now I know. *sniff* I miss your old username already..... ;) Thingg 18:55, 27 April 2008 (UTC) ...and to answer your next question; yes, I'm kind of bored right now...

Well, I could have voted twice but that would have been really poor form...I didn't exactly announce because who cares anyway. But yes, it's me. Sorry how it worked out. I watched closely in anticipation of going through it myself some months hence. Too busy right now, not established enough here, and honestly I was shocked at the stuff I saw written opposing you. Best I can tell it's as much a headache as anything useful anyway. Check out CobaltBlueTony (who, alas, opposed your RfA). He gets nothing but grief for cleaning up around here. Threats, too.  Frank  |  talk  19:03, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I added some references to David Benatar

I added some references to David Benatar --Eastmain (talk) 20:38, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, I'm on board; switched my vote.  Frank  |  talk  20:51, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

Hey, thanks! I just spent some time completely revamping the article - it was a mess, frankly. Lots of work needed to bring it up to anything resembling acceptable, and it still needs a lot of work. Unfortunately some people really seem to have no clue about what's ok and what's not - for example, those long quotes were ridiculous. Oh well - it's a start. I appreciate the barnstar - much nicer than the arguments! Cheers Tvoz |talk 04:54, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

see R.Bailey

See the R. Bailey talk page for reasons.

All these kids are the same. Same type of articles in one AFD is allowed. Note that Michelle Obama (wife) was included but not now.

Also note that Graz11 added an article to the AFD. You can't support that and delete the others. Actually Graz11's article was different from the others because it is a compilation. Please cooperate. Watchingobama (talk) 15:18, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Nixon's Funeral

Are you sure? I compared it with Nixon's page first, and a quick google search turns up these from cbs, the post, and the army, but none of them clarify whether Nixon's was a 'state' funeral or not. All I can read from the army one is that just because his funeral wasn't in DC doesn't mean it wasn't a state funeral.

Like you said though, point of trivia. Rich (talk) 21:55, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, I know this is WP:OR, but I recall at the time there was kerfuffle about it due to him resigning. He did not lie in state and it wasn't called a state funeral, and in fact it wasn't in DC, as I recall. Also, his page here on wikipedia specifically notes that it wasn't a state funeral, but of course that is not exactly proof. I'm sure it can be sourced, though. It wasn't that long ago, and I am 99+ % sure that there is no ambiguity about it. Does that translate to <1% ambiguity? :-)  Frank  |  talk  21:59, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Walter Raleigh

Hi Frank,

I noticed that you re-added the Raleigh disambiguation link to the top of the Walter Raleigh article. Please see these guidelines for the reason why this hatnote is inappropriate in this case. The guidelines state:

While there is no specific prohibition against it, adding disambiguation links to a page with a name that clearly distinguishes itself from the generic term is discouraged. For example, Solaris (1972 film) is clearly about one specific movie and not about any of the many other meanings of "Solaris". It is very unlikely that someone arriving there would have been looking for any other "Solaris", so it is unnecessary to add a link pointing to the Solaris disambiguation page. However, it would be perfectly appropriate to add a link to Solaris (novel) (but not, say, Solaris (operating system)) to its "See also" section.

Another clearer example of this type of hatnote error can be found here. This is a very common error, but the rationale behind omitting these hatnotes makes sense. If we were to add these types of hatnotes, then we would have to add a link to Smith at the top of every article about someone with that surname. In the case of Walter Raleigh, no one would type "Walter Raleigh" into the search bar when searching for Raleigh, Illinois or Raleigh Bicycle Company.

I hope I have stated my case clearly. I tend to have to straighten out this particular misunderstanding fairly often. Let me know if you have any further questions.

Neelix (talk) 00:24, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

My RfA

Hi Frank; I wanted to say thank you for supporting my request for adminship, which passed with 100 supports, 0 opposes and 1 neutral. I wanted to get round everybody individually, even though it's considered by some to be spam (which... I suppose it is! but anyway. :)). It means a lot to me that the community has placed its trust in my ability to use the extra buttons, and I only hope I can live up to its expectations. If you need anything, or notice something that bothers you, don't hesitate to let me know. Thanks again, PeterSymonds | talk 22:28, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

My pleasure!  Frank  |  talk  22:33, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Misunderstanding me

I think you are misunderstanding me. I think you may be afraid that I will say "I am a doctor, therefore my opinion is the final word". Nothing could be further from the truth.

It's just that there has been so much opposition to verifying credentials even if it's a less than 100% verification that I am writing from a medical office (and if not a doctor, then medically related) and that I am not a convict writing from prison or a pharmaceutical company trying to promote the company's drugs.

If the conclusion is that impersonating a doctor (while bad and not to be done) is not a Misplaced Pages offense, just say so. I can live with that but I would like to know. Doctor Wikipedian (talk) 22:10, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

There is no opposition. It just isn't part of what Misplaced Pages does. And putting "dr" in a username does not mean a person is impersonating a medical doctor.  Frank  |  talk  22:16, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Get an administrator to write "impersonating a doctor is discouraged but is not punishable in Misplaced Pages. Only the quality of edits count" and I will be satisfied and begin writing articles.

An alternative is for a checkuser to say "You are a doctor or at least medically related based on what IP information suggests. Your IP is not that of a prison or drug company". Either way, I'm happy and ready to begin typing away. I didn't know it would be so difficult to get started. Doctor Wikipedian (talk) 22:22, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

You can ask administrators to write that, but I doubt they will do so, for several reasons:

1. A username does not indicate impersonating a doctor (or lawyer, or whatever), any more than Dr. J or Dr. Demento are impersonating doctors.
2. Misplaced Pages does not punish anyone, for any reason. Steps are taken to protect the project from vandals, but they are not punishment.
3. An IP address can be spoofed, and you cannot ever verify who is using the IP address anyway.
4. You have been told numerous times that it is only the quality of edits that counts, and you find reason to spend your time editing talk pages instead of actually improving articles. You are highly encouraged to just jump in and get started! The only difficulty is apparently in taking the first step, which you seem very hesitant to do.  Frank  |  talk  22:28, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Way to go

Hey thanks, you too. Hopefully we can defend it from all those pesky vandals out there now, lol. Not that anyone out there has much to pick on Myron for. Thanks! Blackngold29 23:06, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree. He was a one-of-a-kind. He's high on the list of people I'd like to have met. BTW, on a related Pittsburgh-one-of-a-kind note, I met Sophie Masloff once. Every bit as nice as you'd think, if you have any idea who I'm talking about :-)  Frank  |  talk  23:11, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't know very much about her, but I did encounter her name during my re-write of PNC Park; which coincidently is also under GA review right now. She was the original person to have intrest in a replacement to Three Rivers Stadium, she even picked out the site where it ended up being built; I giver her props for having such fore-sight. Blackngold29 23:19, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, there's an article, of course, but I haven't read it. I'll tell you my take on her: took over mayoralty in a difficult time when a much-loved mayor died of an unusual disease (that coincidentally claimed PA Governor Bob Casey's life not so long after, and the life of the mayor of Erie, too). Anyway, nobody expected her to be mayor...not unlike the current mayor of Pittsburgh, eh? Still, she won re-election (as he has done, sort of) and is the reason all the blue-and-white signs in the city exist (even today, 20 years later). Classy lady.  Frank  |  talk  23:35, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Menorrhagia

To follow up on your AfD note: It's reasonable to redirect hypermenorrhea to menorrhagia. They are both cases of "too much" (in volume and/or length, and a distinction between total volume and length is not usually drawn, because the one can easily cause the other).

By contrast, the combination of normal volume/length with too frequent appearance (≤20 days total cycle length) is polymenorrhea. WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:22, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks!

		RfA: Many thanks
		Many thanks for your participation in my recent request for adminship. I am impressed by the amount of thought that goes into people's contribution to the RfA process, and humbled that so many have chosen to trust me with this new responsibility. I step into this new role cautiously, but will do my very best to live up to your kind words and expectations, and to further the project of the encyclopedia. Again, thank you. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 05:59, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Bexley Pizza Plus

Okay, you could not have found my article so quickly. People like you are one of the reasons I hate Misplaced Pages. You just automatically assume something, delete an article of a product that hasn't been noticed by many, and say that I'm making an article of an advertisement. Okay, let's go delete the Pizza Hut article. It tells us what products they have and the history and how they expanded. That's obviously advertising.--Xxhopingtearsxx (talk) 15:14, 20 May 2008 (UTC) Okay, I'm sorry for being soo rude but I think you just made a mistake. I got the information from the website, that's probably why it sounds like an advertisement to you.--Xxhopingtearsxx (talk) 15:16, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I understand your frustration, but there are at least two reasons why this page does not meet criteria for inclusion in Misplaced Pages:

1. The notability of the business has not been established, or even asserted. Pizza Hut has a long history in the United States, is a large corporate entity which is notable for its design, its advertising, and its reach, and there are independent articles about it over time.
2. There are no references at all in this article. One of the key features of Misplaced Pages is that it is about verifiability, not truth.

There are many, many articles on Misplaced Pages that can use improvement, and there are many requests to create articles. Your efforts are highly encouraged and welcome, but the project does have guidelines as to what may be included, and also what Misplaced Pages is not.  Frank  |  talk  15:26, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Xxhopingtear'sxx Userpage

I'd appreciate if you did not touch my userpage. Also, I apologize for being such a jerk earlier ...--Xxhopingtearsxx (talk) 17:31, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I was reverting vandalism, as I'm sure you can see from this diff.  Frank  |  talk  17:43, 20 May 2008 (UTC)