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• (Erwin Walsh | talk | contributions)

Statement of the dispute

Erwin Walsh has been disrupting the community by opening VfDs in bad faith. He has also made personal attacks against users who vote to keep the articles he nominated.

Description

Erwin Walsh participates heavily in VfD. While some of the articles he nominates are eventually deleted, several nominations were made in bad faith. He's only been here for a week, but he has already nominated at least 27 articles for deletion. During the nomination, he often makes rude comments toward either the article or the users voting to keep the article. He appears to be have a prejudice against homosexuality, a factor that provides an explanation for his votes on anal masturbation and the Blow Brothers. (Evidence listed below).

Evidence of disputed behavior

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1. Keeps a record of VfD he participates in here.
2. Puts MathPlayer up for VfD. Says MathPlayer should be moved to "geekpedia." Is opposed unanimously.
3. Puts Dark Lords Council up for VfD. While many users agree that it isn't notable, Erwin Walsh begins by saying, "Get a life."
4. Nominates anal masturbation for VfD. His comments indicate a prejudice against homosexuality. . Tells user to "Shut the fuck up"
5. Votes on the Blow Brothers VfD, simply by calling it "Ghey."

Applicable policies

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1. WP:NPOV
2. WP:NPA
3. WP:AGF
4. WP:POINT

Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute

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1. Removes warning from Gorgonzilla.
2. Gorgonzilla upgrades Test2a warning to Test4 warning. Erwin removes.
3. Removes notice of the ongoing Rfc from his user page, re-reverts after it is replaced

Walsh has changed the notice of the Rfc

Request for Comment: Due to your distruptive behavior during recent VfDs, I've opened a RfC against you. Please go to it and provide a response. You can find it here. Acetic Acid 05:33, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

to a comment that entirely and deliberately misleads. This is bad faith.

Hey: Thanks for your great contributions! Acetic Acid 05:33, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

--Gorgonzilla 17:03, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Users certifying the basis for this dispute

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1. Acetic Acid 05:30, August 20, 2005 (UTC)
2. --Gorgonzilla 12:05, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Other users who endorse this summary

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1. Marskell 11:16, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
2. I especially support Gorgonzilla's sentiments below. Meelar (talk) 15:07, August 20, 2005 (UTC)
3. It is highly unlikely that Walsh is a sincere deletionist. He is either a troll or an anti-deletionist making a WP:POINT. The account is freshly created although it is obvious that he is a very experienced Misplaced Pages user. Mirror Vax 23:09, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Reform ?

Walsh's early behavior had been very disrptive, tagging articles with VfD minutes after creation without bothering to do the simplest checks such as looking up a person on Google. He tagged one article as a copyvio a minute after creation even though it was simply being split off from the Jack Abramoff article and the material had been copied from Misplaced Pages.

More worrying was his reaction to complaints, instead of saying oops sorry I will try to be a little more careful he put a notice on his user page stating that his 'policy' for handling criticism was to ignore all criticism. He currently has a notice stating that he is on a two month wikibreak and won't be able to answer any criticism and deleted my note pointing out that since he had posted frequently afterwards that this was obviously untrue.

More recently Erwin has largely desisted from bulk VfD nominations. But the homophobic nature of his VfD on anal masturbation is not acceptable.

At this point I think that Walsh is capable of making a positive contribution but he may not be willing to do so. I think it really depends on what his reaction to this RfC is.--Gorgonzilla 12:14, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Walsh just deleted the criticism of him from his User page and in particular the link to this Rfc. That and the deliberate lie on his user page that is clearly there to try to deflect criticism means that I now change my vote to delete. --Gorgonzilla 16:06, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Response

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Outside view

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1. "Shut the fuck up" on VfD caught me. Rude, bad-faith user. Marskell 11:19, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Outside view by McClenon

I think that Erwin Walsh has been guilty of not being civil. I do not see any other obvious violation of Wikiquette. Keeping a log of votes for deletion that he proposed is a statement of his encyclopedic philosophy: "When in doubt, delete." As to any alleged prejudice, I concur with the comments of User:ElvisThePrince that prejudice is undesirable, but is not an offense against Wikiquette unless it leads to non-neutral editing or personal attacks.

I suggest that "Please do not bite the newcomers" applies, and that this user should be aware that he needs to refrain from foul comments, and should be given a chance to do that. Robert McClenon 20:31, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Users who endorse this summary (sign with ~~~~):

1. Robert McClenon 20:31, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
2. --ElvisThePrince 21:42, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
3. Kyle Andrew Brown 04:07, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Outside View by User:ElvisThePrince

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1. (In response to Summary and evidence of disputed behavior points 1,2,3) I don't think the number of VFD's in itself is nessecarily a problem (especialy as a fair proportion 60% end up as delete) and neithier is keeping a list of VFD's he is involved in, although placing articles on VFD minutes after they have first been created probably is and it would appear a voilation of WP:POINT.
2. (In response to evidence of disputed behavior point 4) Being Homophobic whilst not exactly a particularly plesant character trait (in my view) is not nessecarily a problem provided it dosn't spill over into personal attacks are which (and thus a violation of WP:NPAand WP:AGF), and if once a VFD was resolved as KEEP if he bitched about it (which I have seen no evidence of but didn't look too hard)
3. (In response to Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute points 1, 2) In my view the removal of the variouse warnings is not a problem in itself, if he is removeing them you have to assume that he has read them and their audiance would appear to be him (although the placement is obviouse evidence of an attempt to resolve the issue).
4. (In response to Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute point 3) It seems to me that a persons "User:" space is their own so the deletion of conversations is up to him, perhaps the content of them could be mirrored elsewhere if participants feel the need to retain them for any purpose (the talk page of this RFC for instance), however the "editing" of User:Acetic Acid's comments is a problem and probably against WP:AGF, WP:NPA and arguably vandalism.

Users who endorse this summary (sign with ~~~~):

1. Robert McClenon 20:21, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
2. --ElvisThePrince 21:43, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Discussion

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