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Links

Ms. Andrea left a few links to articles about her on my talk page, which I'll add here, for anybody else who wants to do some editing (since this article currently needs LOTS of editing... :) :

• The Insider
• IMDb
• NPR
• HBO's Middle Sexes
• Lesbian Alliance interview
• Frontiers profile

And I'll keep at it myself, of course. -- Wwagner 06:46, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

"Attacks" on Bailey's children

Can someone research this issue about Andrea posting photos of Michael Bailey's children (author of The Man Who Would Be Queen) and making untoward comments about the children on her website back in 2003? I keep seeing this claim being brought up by self-identified autogynephilic transsexuals. Then again, Bailey *did* make disparaging comments about transsexual women, bisexuals, women in general, and gender variant children. I think her intent was to "hit too close to home," sorta speak, to get him to realize that his disparaging remarks are personal and hurtful. A tit for tat. This issue definitely needs to be addressed in the article. Perform a search on her website using the word 'children.' -- WiccaIrish 06:11, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Andrea James wrote about that issue here: http://www.tsroadmap.com/info/bailey-children.html. In it she apologized for doing that and she also reported tha she apologized to Bailey's children for that incident.

Bailey's children deny that James ever apologized to them, and James certainly never apologized to Bailey, at least publicly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BarbaraSue (talk • contribs) 04:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Protection

I have fully protected this article until all issues are worked out regarding this MedCom case which has spilled over to this article. Please use the {{editprotected}} template to request uncontroversial edits in the meantime. -MBK₀₀₄ 00:30, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Seems reasonable. I had already proposed that the mediation scope include this article as well (and another bio that is getting similarly trashed with Dreger's negative assessments of the subject). Dicklyon (talk) 00:32, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

"Trashed" is POV, which even if allowed here is inaccurate. I am fine having mediation here (rather than continued quibbling with Dicklyon). One big difference with the Conway page is that the latest flurry of revisions (and Dicklyon's deletions) concern the subject's (Andrea James') actual words, and no one (not even she) has argued that these words are not hers. They essentially show that at one time she strongly favored a theory that she has become famous (or infamous) for attacking. That is certainly important. Furthermore, Dicklyon appeared to accept the most recent version of her quotation. (I disagree with Dicklyon that there are any important differences between the present version which he accepts and the prior version that he didn't, but the present version is fine with me too.)BarbaraSue (talk) 02:12, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes of course "trashed" is POV; I think it's appropriate that we express our assessment of the content issues here; NPOV applies in article space, not here. As to "appears to accept", see the comments that I had left on the talk page. Nobody but you brought up the question of whether the quoted words were from her; that's not at issue. Dicklyon (talk) 02:25, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, Dicklyon, let me proceed in the spirt we should start, with the assumption that you, like me, want an unbiased and fair but accurate (bad with the good) page on Andrea James. It would help toward a comprise solution (and perhaps inform the mediator) if you could identify particular assertions in Alice Dreger's history that are clearly inaccurate. It is a very long history with lots of assertions, so there are lots of opportunities for you to identify mistakes. Also perhaps you could show how the quote of Andrea James somehow misrepresents her beliefs in 1998. Or perhaps you can present a good argument why the contradiction between those words and her public position should be suppressed for the sake of accuracy. Specifics, rather than vague and general accusations about "enemies" and "trashing" would be most helpful. I think we should have future discussions about the Andrea James page here rather than at my page.BarbaraSue (talk) 03:18, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Two points:

• User:BarbaraSue is now blocked indefinitely for being a sockpuppet of an editor previous blocked indefinitely for vandalizing this biography similarly to what she has been doing in this dispute.
• With respect to the Andrea James's private email that BarbaraSue was quoting out of context from what Dreger quoted out of context, BarbaraSue had said that "James has herself published the complete email with commentary". Now, I looked it up (here) and it turns out she published it only AFTER Dreger's out-of-context publication, and blasted Dreger for that, providing the complete context to counter to implications of the quote. If the subject of this article blasted Dreger for it, and BarbaraSue obviously knew that, then it seems inappropriate to leave any of what she did in the article.

So, can we unblock and fix it? Dicklyon (talk) 06:29, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

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