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26 August 2005

• Talk:Judiciary Act — Judiciary Act → Judiciary Acts (US) – suggested by DLJessup during a VFD discussion Uncle G 22:16:09, 2005-08-26 (UTC)
• Talk:Unalienable rights — Unalienable rights → Inalienable right – "Inalienable" is used in all modern texts on political theory and philosophy, and in ordinary English; "unalienable" is archaic, and only survives because of its use in certain important historical documents. As the article is about the rights in general, it should use the most common term. (And it should, of course, be singular in line with normal Misplaced Pages naming conventions.) --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:23, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
• talk:Orel - Orel → Oryol - To reverse current redirect for the name of the Russian city. Oryol more common spelling in media, also the name in other Encyclopedias, also reflects correct pronunciation and transliteration. An issue of context usage, like "Orella" used in DE WW2 literature is to be decided separately case by case. --Irpen 20:57, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
• Hägar the Horrible → Hägar the Hørrible - This is the character's proper name. Krun 18:21, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
• Talk:Liliuokalani – Liliuokalani → "Liliuokalani of Hawaii" – Sigh. User Gryffindor, who regularly does not register move requests here, but only puts the tag on the article's talk page, has for some unfathomable reason, and citing some less-than-objective complaints, made this request. I of course oppose the proposed move. 217.140.193.123 17:10, 26 August 2005 (UTC) - A policy already exists, and its amendment is discussed currently at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Hawaii/Manual of Style#Names of monarchs
• Talk:Lunalilo – Lunalilo → Lunalilo of Hawaii – User Gryffindor, who regularly does not register move requests here, but only puts the tag on the article's talk page, has for some unfathomable reason, and citing some less-than-objective complaints, made this request. I of course oppose the proposed move. 217.140.193.123 17:10, 26 August 2005 (UTC) - A policy already exists, and its amendment is discussed currently at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Hawaii/Manual of Style#Names of monarchs
• Talk:Maha Chakri Sirindhorn – Maha Chakri Sirindhorn → Princess Maha Chakri Sirindhorn of Thailand – Sigh again. User Gryffindor, who regularly does not register move requests here, but only puts the tag on the article's talk page, has for some unfathomable reason, and citing some less-than-objective complaints, made this request. I of course oppose the proposed move. 217.140.193.123 17:10, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
• Talk:François Sebastien Charles Joseph de Croix, Count of Clerfayt – François Sebastien Charles Joseph de Croix, Count of Clerfayt → Charles de Croix Graf Clerfayt – Sighs. User Gryffindor (neé User:Antares911), who regularly does not register move requests here, but only puts the tag on the article's talk page, has for some unfathomable reason, and citing some less-than-objective complaints, made this request, over two months ago. I of course oppose the proposed move. 217.140.193.123 17:10, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
• Talk:Prajadhipok – Prajadhipok → Rama VII – User Gryffindor (neé User:Antares911), who regularly does not register move requests here, but only puts the tag on the article's talk page, has for some unfathomable reason, and citing some less-than-objective complaints, made this request, two months ago. The proposition has been said to be against the consensus of Thai-related editors' consensus regarding the "name" Rama. I of course oppose the proposed move. 217.140.193.123 17:10, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
• Galyani Vadhana be restored to Princess Galyani Vadhana of Thailand. Arrigo has been moving articles again despite request to post discussion first. File:Gryffindor.jpgGryffindor 15:26, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
• Talk:Adelaide United F.C. – Adelaide United F.C. → Adelaide United FC – Consistent with other Australian football (soccer) clubs, which don't have dots after F & C. – AxSkov (☏) 11:34, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
• Talk:Anti-American sentiment – Anti-American sentiment → Anti-Americanism – Consensus in talk is for new name. Edit history unfortunately already exists there so this can't be done easily. There have been previous mergers. Marskell 09:53, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
• Talk:Tinkerbell – Tinkerbell → Tinker Bell – A visitor requested that this page be moved to the original spelling of the character's name. — Mindspillage (spill yours?) 02:15, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
• Talk:Roderick Toombs – Roderick Toombs → Roddy Piper – Toombs is best known as Roddy Piper, and he seems to own the trademark, so there's no chance he'll stop using the name anytime soon (unlike many wrestlers) --HBK 16:58, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
• Talk:Washroom architecture - Washroom architecture → Washroom – Someone moved it a long time ago but the title "washroom" would make much more sense. Andrew pmk 17:57, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

It was a cut&paste move, so the history probably should be merged, as well. Niteowlneils 22:01, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Relisted to correct lack of notice. Dragons flight 22:44, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

25 August 2005

• Talk:Native Americans – Native Americans → Indigenous peoples of the Americas – Article Native Americans currently has a scope of and content for all indigenous peoples in the Americas. Consensus has emerged on Talk:Native Americans#Indigenous peoples of the Americas that the article title of "Native Americans" by itself is ambiguous, as the term can refer to either all indigenous peoples of the Americas, or those exclusively in the North American territory of the United States. Consensus has also emerged on the same section of the Native Americans article talk page that there should be an article on Misplaced Pages whose scope is limited to indigenous peoples in the continental United States, the American Indians. Therefore, it has been proposed that the current Native Americans article be split into two: Indigenous peoples of the Americas, and American Indians in the United States. Because a larger percentage of the current Native Americans article is about indigenous peoples outside of the United States, it is desirable to first move Native Americans to Indigenous peoples of the Americas, and then breakout American Indians in the United States as a new article, to best preserve the original article's edit history. An administrator's assistance is required because Indigenous peoples of the Americas already has an edit history, as it was created during a previous attempt at splitting the Native Americans article. It is therefore proposed that the current Indigenous peoples of the Americas article be merged back into Native Americans, that Indigenous peoples of the Americas be then deleted, and finally that Native Americans be moved to the now empty location of Indigenous peoples of the Americas. — Kurieeto 17:23, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
• Talk:Hooghly District — Hooghly District → Hooghly district – consistent with other district names Master Of Ninja 16:42, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

24 August 2005

• Srinagarindra → Princess Srinagarindra, The Princess Mother of Thailand. Arrigo has repedeatly moved articles without waiting for the end of a discussion. This article was discussed once and Administrator Violetriga ended it. Kindly requesting restoration of original name since removing is not possible without adm. help. File:Gryffindor.jpgGryffindor 14:58, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

Gryffindor's request should be denied, per new voted consensus of MoS Thai. Arrigo 21:17, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

• Raymond Ayala → Daddy Yankee. Please move because nobody calls 50 Cent by his real name, Curtis Jackson. — Stevey7788 (talk) 02:20, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
• SECOND NOTICE: In accordance with new guidelines on History Standards for Chinese Articles, please move Prince He back to Hongzhou, and Prince Guo back to Hongshi. Thanks. Colipon+(T) 20:08, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

These problems had been caused by improper renamings by Gryffindor, which has then caused a lot of work to editors more expertized in Chinese issues. Requests should be granted. Arrigo 21:17, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Then please grant it! Colipon+(T) 01:18, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

• JADE (programming language) → JADE programming language. Destination is a silly stub, origin isn't in line with standard naming (C programming language, Pascal programming language). 131.155.69.249 12:17, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

  This page move has just been facilitated. Check the page history for details. --HappyCamper 14:29, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

• Talk:Perri Alette McKissack — Perri Alette McKissack → Perri "Pebbles" Reid – most common name, and the name that the article itself called her by in the body (I changed the header to match). --FuriousFreddy 12:12, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
• Talk:Medinipur — Medinipur → Midnapore – new name is official indian gov't spelling; however new name redirects to old name - Master Of Ninja 10:22, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
• Talk:Zen koan — Zen koan → koan, its former location, which has been moved to koan (disambiguation). ‣ᓛᖁ♀ᑐ 15:33, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
• Talk:Telos — Telos → Telos (Star Wars) – I don't think SW's Telos is prominent enough to be the primary target 132.205.64.91 02:16, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
• Talk:Telos (disambiguation) — Telos (disambiguation) → Telos – The Doctor Who Telos article is much better written, and arguably more prominent that the SW material 132.205.64.91 02:16, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
• Gedhun Choekyi Nyima, 11th Panchen Lama → Gedhun Choekyi Nyima Since the page for the Chinese version of the Panchen Lama, Erdini Qoigyijabu has no "11th Panchen Lama" suffix to his name, we should remove it from Gedhun Choekyi Nyima's name because two different people think they are the Panchen Lama. --Hottentot

23 August 2005

• Talk:The Spectator (1828) — The Spectator (1828) → The Spectator: of four magazines this is by far most widely referenced. --- Charles Stewart 20:00, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
• Talk:Aliákmon — Aliákmon → Haliacmon Most common and most English name for the river, ancient and modern; also avoids the dispute over whether the demotic name is Aliákmon, Aliakmonas or whatever. Septentrionalis 19:11, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
• Talk:Prince He -- Prince He back to Hongzhou and
• Talk:Prince Guo -- Prince Guo back to Hongshi In accordance with new guidelines on History Standards for Chinese Articles, please move and Thanks. Colipon+(T) Colipon+(T) 20:08, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
• Talk:Save-On-Foods — Save-On-Foods → Save-On – Save-On-Foods is not appropriate name for article because of hyphen between "on" and "foods". Save-On is more appropriate name for article because the company is also known as a pharmacy. Wikipedianinthehouse 01:39, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

22 August 2005

• Talk:The White Man's Burden (Poem) — The White Man's Burden (Poem) → The White Man's Burden – This is a completely useless disambiguated page setup. The poem is one of Kipling's most important and the concept is an important political idea known by people who don't know Kipling. The other is a John Travolta film. Nuff said. A link at the top of the poem's page should be enough. Also most of the links to the disambig are probably for Kipling and not Travolta. MeltBanana 22:42, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
• Talk:William of Orange - William of Orange (disambiguation) → William of Orange. Not only one, but at least two Williams of Orange are widely known under that name, and more or less equally known, wherefore it is POV to redirect that name only to one of them. 217.140.193.123 13:58, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
  • As this is already an ongoing discussion on Talk:William of Orange I have moved the poll to that page. Philip Baird Shearer 00:19, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
• Talk:Dąbrowski's Mazurek - Dąbrowski's Mazurek → Dąbrowski's Mazurka – common usage in English. Also, both the dance and the musical style are named Mazurka in English. Mazurek is its Polish name, so currently the title is a mixture of Polish and English. Halibutt 09:22, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
• Talk:Great Jewish Revolt — Great Jewish Revolt → First Jewish-Roman War – This seems to be the more common name - but does anyone object--Doc (?) 11:48, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

21 August 2005

• Talk:Yamamura Sadako - Yamamura Sadako → Sadako Yamamura per naming convention of order of first name and surname. Personage is a figure of modern time. Arrigo 18:32, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
  • It has been noted that it is official Japanese government policy to use GN-SN (Western order) when writing post-Meiji era names in English; as a result, objector has withdrawn objection on talk page.--Mitsukai 20:14, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

August 20 2005

• Talk:Duff Cooper, 1st Viscount Norwich — Duff Cooper, 1st Viscount Norwich → Duff Cooper – most commonly used name AND
• Talk:John Julius Cooper, 2nd Viscount Norwich — John Julius Cooper, 2nd Viscount Norwich → John Julius Norwich – most commonly used name. These may be controversial because of interpretation of the naming conventions. Deb 20:50, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
• Talk:Total Nonstop Action - Total Nonstop Action → Total Nonstop Action Wrestling - Move to full correct name of the company in question - Lakes 18:56, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
• Talk:Charleston (disambiguation) - Charleston (disambiguation) → Charleston - It is a little geogaphically blinkered to have a commonly used name as a city in the US. Alan Liefting 04:27, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

August 18 2005

• Talk:Dramedy – Dramedy → Comedy-drama – In line with recent category name change from Category:Dramedy to Category:Comedy-drama. The article will also have a bit of a re-write to reflect the name change — JW 14:43, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Discussion extended

Discussion on the following move requests have been extended to allow a consensus to emerge. Please visit them to give your opinion.

Ongoing discussions

• Talk:Alexandra Fyodorovna of Hesse – Alexandra Fyodorovna of Hesse (various names under discussion)

Discussion went quite stale. No clear consensus emerged. Please see the results of the month-long vote.

• Talk:The Minutemen (band) – The Minutemen (band) → Minutemen (band) – There is no "the" on the album covers -- jiy 07:23, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

  Attempting to contact definitive source in the band. Dragons flight 02:43, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

• Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Automobiles#Origin_Naming_Convention_and_Chevys_to_Daewoos
  • Chevrolet Aveo → Daewoo Kalos
  • Chevrolet Nubira → Daewoo Nubira
  • Chevrolet Lacetti → Daewoo Lacetti

  Discussion extended to consider automobile naming convention. Dragons flight 02:43, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

Procedure for admins

It is important to check to see if the redirect has major history; major history contains information about the addition of current text. (This is sometimes caused by the accidental creation of a duplicate article, or someone doing a cut-and-paste "move", instead of using the "Move this page" button.) Never simply delete such redirect pages, (which we need to keep for copyright reasons).

Major history

There are three ways to deal with a page move with a major history:

1. The "right" way is to merge the histories, using the procedure outlined at Misplaced Pages:How to fix cut and paste moves. This is a slightly fraught procedure, which on rare occasions doesn't work correctly. There are also circumstances (for example duplicate pages) where it's not the correct choice anyway. Once done, it cannot easily be undone, so don't pick this option unless it's definitely the right one.
2. Alternatively, the article and the redirect can be swapped. This leaves the bifurcated history, but has less chance of causing problems. Simply move one of the pair to a temporary name, and then delete the new redirect which that move will left behind at the original location; next, move the other page of the pair across to the first one's old location, and delete that left-over new redirect; finally, move the first one from its temporary location to its new name. You will then need to delete the new redirect at the temporary location, and finally fix the old redirect to point at the article again (at this point, it will be pointing to itself).
3. Another option is for redirect pages with major history to be archived into a talk namespace, and a link to them put into the article's talk page. (An example of such a page is a Talk:Network SouthEast, which was originally created as a duplicate article at Network SouthEast and later archived, when the original article was moved from Network South East.)

Minor history

A minor history on the other hand contains no information, for example the redirect page Eric Tracy has a minor history but Eric Treacy (which incidentally is the correct spelling) could not be moved there because of a spelling mistake in the original page. Redirect pages with minor histories can simply be deleted.

Tidying up

Whichever of these various options you take, moving pages will create double redirects in any redirects that pointed to the original page location. These must be fixed; click on the "What links here" button of the new page location to check for them. It is the responsibility of the admin doing the move to fix these, though periodically a bot will fix any you miss.

When you complete an entry on this page (whether the move was accepted or rejected), don't forget to remove the {{move}} tag from the talk page and if a discussion on the move exists on the talk page please add and sign a comment to indicate whether the move was accepted or rejected. Also, remove the entry from this page (do not simply strike it through).

It's worth periodically checking either Category:Requested_moves or here to see if any pages missed this step. Checking either of these regularly has the side-benefit of finding pages where people added the {{Move}} tag to the page, but didn't realize they needed to edit WP:RM as well.

Admins volunteering to do tidying tasks should watch this page for new notices.

Pending history mergers

If the required merge of a copy/paste move cannot be done right away, then move the history to /history and use {{pending merge}}. For example, Bicycle Thieves was moved to Bicycle Thieves/history and {{pending merge|Bicycle Thieves}} placed on the article.

This also adds Category:Pending merge, all of which will be done later.

Additional notes

Multiple page moves

For single page moves with more than one option for the destination name:

• Talk:page to be moved -- page to be moved to new page or new page two etc -- {brief reason for move} -- ~~~~

For block moves:

• Talk:page to be moved -- page to be moved 1 to target page 1
  • ...
  • page to be moved n to target page n
  • {brief reason for move} -- ~~~~

An example of how to request to move a block of pages:

• Talk:The Levellers -- Levellers to Levellers (disambiguation)
  • The Levellers to Levellers
  • the word "The" should be removed from the Levellers page. -- ~~~~

Another example of how to request to move a block of pages:

• Talk:Third world -- First world to First World,
  • Second world to Second World and
  • Third world to Third World
  • This was a move made earlier in the year as a block move, after listing on this page because all three were blocked by edits to the target pages -- ~~~~

Relevant policies and guidelines

PLEASE NOTE:

• Many moves can be accomplished by a registered user without administrator assistance by using the "Move this page" button.
• Requested moves is not the proper place to request renaming images or categories.
  • To rename a category see Misplaced Pages:Categories for deletion:How to use this page point 5.
  • To rename an image. re-upload the image with the name you want, change the links on the relevant pages then delete the old one with a request to Misplaced Pages:Images and media for deletion.
  • It is also possible to ask an administrator to intervene directly see Misplaced Pages:Requests for administrator attention (and possibly Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard for troublesome cases).

In discussing a page move, or making a move request, please consider following Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines:

• Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions
• Misplaced Pages:Proper names
• Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style
• Misplaced Pages:Disambiguation
• Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view
• Misplaced Pages:Don't disrupt Misplaced Pages to illustrate a point
• Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Rivers
  • If a river page is to be moved, add a mention of the move under Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Rivers#Requested moves
• Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Numbers
  • If a number page is to be moved, add a mention of the move under Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Numbers#Requested moves